X Clarke Rumour

[Spinner]

According to SEN ...rumour only ...
X Clarke, J Gwilt and pick 1 all to Port for their pick 1 ...

You mean and our pick 13?

bum deal for us if true.

X and Gwilt for pick 4 ok.
X, Gwilt and pick 13 for pick 4, not ok.

you can't be serious??

one struggled to get on the park after some bad injury years and the other is a noble park player who has played 1 good match....

Would be a very good deal for us....

AGREE. PICK 4 would be OH so sweet! and lets not kid ourselves. we can live without x and gwilt. they dont contribute much.

Get over it.

Go and get yourself a record of the drafts year by year.


Maybe you could draft a Pick Number 4 at pick 86 given no team has shown interest in him over trade week thus far.......

ok. cool. lets just hope for the best then.
letspretend we are going to to fluke a champ smoky and that our fringe players are going to wake up one morning and be stars.

no i cant guarantee that 4 will be be a star. but you need to play the odds and the probabilities.

i am saying pick 4 is a 50% chance of being really good.

x = 10%, gwilt = 30% and pick 13 = 30% of being really good

so my calculations say 50% is the higest option on offer. get pick 4.

what im saying is we are trading off almost certain duds for a 50/50.

\

10% + 30% + 30% = 70%..........Wouldnt take that over a 50% chance?

And BTW, the simple fact that you have rated Xavier Clarke a 10% chance and Gwilt a 30% chance is a perfect great summation of your opinion on this issue.

Great to clear that up -

at least gwilt has got on the park
and played some games.
AND he wasnt a top 5 pick
promising so much
he was a long shot and worked out ok.
x has unfortuantly
got the body of an 80 yr old.

Go and have a read as to the amount of games played by both Gwilt and X Clarke......

No. Idea.

[vacuous space]

Not happy with this. There is depth in this draft (apparently) why would we give 2 players plus a pick just to pick 9 places higher in a good draft?

Because the top end of the draft is awesome. It's really hard not to get excited about the prospect of a top five pick. I'd take Hurley over any combination of players we could get at 11 or 13. Same with Sidebottom or Ziebell. The guys who are available outside the top-10 are definitely a step down from the guys inside the top-10. That said, I'd be over the moon if we could get an extra first rounder for Clarke and Gwilt. But I'd definitely prefer a top five pick if we could get one.

[saintjake]

According to SEN ...rumour only ...
X Clarke, J Gwilt and pick 1 all to Port for their pick 1 ...

You mean and our pick 13?

bum deal for us if true.

X and Gwilt for pick 4 ok.
X, Gwilt and pick 13 for pick 4, not ok.

you can't be serious??

one struggled to get on the park after some bad injury years and the other is a noble park player who has played 1 good match....

Would be a very good deal for us....

AGREE. PICK 4 would be OH so sweet! and lets not kid ourselves. we can live without x and gwilt. they dont contribute much.

Get over it.

Go and get yourself a record of the drafts year by year.


Maybe you could draft a Pick Number 4 at pick 86 given no team has shown interest in him over trade week thus far.......

ok. cool. lets just hope for the best then.
letspretend we are going to to fluke a champ smoky and that our fringe players are going to wake up one morning and be stars.

no i cant guarantee that 4 will be be a star. but you need to play the odds and the probabilities.

i am saying pick 4 is a 50% chance of being really good.

x = 10%, gwilt = 30% and pick 13 = 30% of being really good

so my calculations say 50% is the higest option on offer. get pick 4.

what im saying is we are trading off almost certain duds for a 50/50.

\

10% + 30% + 30% = 70%..........Wouldnt take that over a 50% chance?

And BTW, the simple fact that you have rated Xavier Clarke a 10% chance and Gwilt a 30% chance is a perfect great summation of your opinion on this issue.

Great to clear that up -

at least gwilt has got on the park
and played some games.
AND he wasnt a top 5 pick
promising so much
he was a long shot and worked out ok.
x has unfortuantly
got the body of an 80 yr old.

Go and have a read as to the amount of games played by both Gwilt and X Clarke......

No. Idea.

go have a read of the amount of games MISSED by X

"no idea"

[Con Gorozidis]

i have nothing against gwilt. in fact i quite like him. played some good games this year.

ive given up on x. gets pushed off contests way too easily. when he plays (which is rare) he spends most of his time on the ground.

[skeptic]

i'd miss x if he went

[Spinner]

According to SEN ...rumour only ...
X Clarke, J Gwilt and pick 1 all to Port for their pick 1 ...

You mean and our pick 13?

bum deal for us if true.

X and Gwilt for pick 4 ok.
X, Gwilt and pick 13 for pick 4, not ok.

you can't be serious??

one struggled to get on the park after some bad injury years and the other is a noble park player who has played 1 good match....

Would be a very good deal for us....

AGREE. PICK 4 would be OH so sweet! and lets not kid ourselves. we can live without x and gwilt. they dont contribute much.

Get over it.

Go and get yourself a record of the drafts year by year.


Maybe you could draft a Pick Number 4 at pick 86 given no team has shown interest in him over trade week thus far.......

ok. cool. lets just hope for the best then.
letspretend we are going to to fluke a champ smoky and that our fringe players are going to wake up one morning and be stars.

no i cant guarantee that 4 will be be a star. but you need to play the odds and the probabilities.

i am saying pick 4 is a 50% chance of being really good.

x = 10%, gwilt = 30% and pick 13 = 30% of being really good

so my calculations say 50% is the higest option on offer. get pick 4.

what im saying is we are trading off almost certain duds for a 50/50.

\

10% + 30% + 30% = 70%..........Wouldnt take that over a 50% chance?

And BTW, the simple fact that you have rated Xavier Clarke a 10% chance and Gwilt a 30% chance is a perfect great summation of your opinion on this issue.

Great to clear that up -

at least gwilt has got on the park
and played some games.
AND he wasnt a top 5 pick
promising so much
he was a long shot and worked out ok.
x has unfortuantly
got the body of an 80 yr old.

Go and have a read as to the amount of games played by both Gwilt and X Clarke......

No. Idea.

go have a read of the amount of games MISSED by X

"no idea"

Still bigger than the games played by Gwilt kido.

[saintjake]

According to SEN ...rumour only ...
X Clarke, J Gwilt and pick 1 all to Port for their pick 1 ...

You mean and our pick 13?

bum deal for us if true.

X and Gwilt for pick 4 ok.
X, Gwilt and pick 13 for pick 4, not ok.

you can't be serious??

one struggled to get on the park after some bad injury years and the other is a noble park player who has played 1 good match....

Would be a very good deal for us....

AGREE. PICK 4 would be OH so sweet! and lets not kid ourselves. we can live without x and gwilt. they dont contribute much.

Get over it.

Go and get yourself a record of the drafts year by year.


Maybe you could draft a Pick Number 4 at pick 86 given no team has shown interest in him over trade week thus far.......

ok. cool. lets just hope for the best then.
letspretend we are going to to fluke a champ smoky and that our fringe players are going to wake up one morning and be stars.

no i cant guarantee that 4 will be be a star. but you need to play the odds and the probabilities.

i am saying pick 4 is a 50% chance of being really good.

x = 10%, gwilt = 30% and pick 13 = 30% of being really good

so my calculations say 50% is the higest option on offer. get pick 4.

what im saying is we are trading off almost certain duds for a 50/50.

\

10% + 30% + 30% = 70%..........Wouldnt take that over a 50% chance?

And BTW, the simple fact that you have rated Xavier Clarke a 10% chance and Gwilt a 30% chance is a perfect great summation of your opinion on this issue.

Great to clear that up -

at least gwilt has got on the park
and played some games.
AND he wasnt a top 5 pick
promising so much
he was a long shot and worked out ok.
x has unfortuantly
got the body of an 80 yr old.

Go and have a read as to the amount of games played by both Gwilt and X Clarke......

No. Idea.

go have a read of the amount of games MISSED by X

"no idea"

Still bigger than the games played by Gwilt kido.

OMG
IM NOT SAYING THEY ARENT BIGGER, IM SAYING GWILT HAS MORE VALUE BECAUSE HE CAN AT LEAST GET ON THE FIELD!!!

also x plays some miserable matches when he is fit aswell
IMO

[saintbrat]

struth you guys can run on with rubbish when given your heads can't you??????/

[saintjake]

struth you guys can run on with rubbish when given your heads can't you??????/

sorry, ill settle down.
jsut cant understand how when logic is right in front of a person.
they attack with nothing of substance,.
silly.
im jsut a boy, expressing my passion for my bloody club
i want us to win a flag, as much as everyone on here.
BUT the way X and Kosi have been going i can not see them in premireship team!
NOT EVERY DRAFT PICK TAKES 3 YEARS TO GET USED TO THE AFL.

[MadSaintFan]

Surely Saints fans have realised now X is not going to become the solid contributor week in - week out that we need.
He doesnt have the strong - tough body for AFL footy, and people who call him a match winner, well, iv never seen him win us a match.

Gwilt is merely a Bgrade at best player. He wont be part of a premiership at Stkilda.

If we secured pick 4 or even pick 11 for these two, it would be a step in the right direction. We need to recruit the best young talent to the club, and with picks 4/11 and 13 we can do this. Remember, after this draft we wont be getting many worthwhile picks in the future! (assuming we dont finnish bottom).

[saintjake]

Surely Saints fans have realised now X is not going to become the solid contributor week in - week out that we need.
He doesnt have the strong - tough body for AFL footy, and people who call him a match winner, well, iv never seen him win us a match.

Gwilt is merely a Bgrade at best player. He wont be part of a premiership at Stkilda.

If we secured pick 4 or even pick 11 for these two, it would be a step in the right direction. We need to recruit the best young talent to the club, and with picks 4/11 and 13 we can do this. Remember, after this draft we wont be getting many worthwhile picks in the future! (assuming we dont finnish bottom).

THANKYOU!!!

[Spinner]

According to SEN ...rumour only ...
X Clarke, J Gwilt and pick 1 all to Port for their pick 1 ...

You mean and our pick 13?

bum deal for us if true.

X and Gwilt for pick 4 ok.
X, Gwilt and pick 13 for pick 4, not ok.

you can't be serious??

one struggled to get on the park after some bad injury years and the other is a noble park player who has played 1 good match....

Would be a very good deal for us....

AGREE. PICK 4 would be OH so sweet! and lets not kid ourselves. we can live without x and gwilt. they dont contribute much.

Get over it.

Go and get yourself a record of the drafts year by year.


Maybe you could draft a Pick Number 4 at pick 86 given no team has shown interest in him over trade week thus far.......

ok. cool. lets just hope for the best then.
letspretend we are going to to fluke a champ smoky and that our fringe players are going to wake up one morning and be stars.

no i cant guarantee that 4 will be be a star. but you need to play the odds and the probabilities.

i am saying pick 4 is a 50% chance of being really good.

x = 10%, gwilt = 30% and pick 13 = 30% of being really good

so my calculations say 50% is the higest option on offer. get pick 4.

what im saying is we are trading off almost certain duds for a 50/50.

\

10% + 30% + 30% = 70%..........Wouldnt take that over a 50% chance?

And BTW, the simple fact that you have rated Xavier Clarke a 10% chance and Gwilt a 30% chance is a perfect great summation of your opinion on this issue.

Great to clear that up -

at least gwilt has got on the park
and played some games.
AND he wasnt a top 5 pick
promising so much
he was a long shot and worked out ok.
x has unfortuantly
got the body of an 80 yr old.

Go and have a read as to the amount of games played by both Gwilt and X Clarke......

No. Idea.

go have a read of the amount of games MISSED by X

"no idea"

Still bigger than the games played by Gwilt kido.

OMG
IM NOT SAYING THEY ARENT BIGGER, IM SAYING GWILT HAS MORE VALUE BECAUSE HE CAN AT LEAST GET ON THE FIELD!!!

also x plays some miserable matches when he is fit aswell
IMO

OMG (who writes that?) - Gwilt dosn't get picked......Thats pretty much the sole reason he has played minimal games over the last four years.

Not injury, Not fitness, Just lacking talent........But he has more value than Xavier?

[saintjake]

anyone has more value then x.
compare the amount of games, he has played
compaared to the amount he has missed through injury.

p.s i like that you had an attempt at some substance.

[saintbrat]

anyone has more value then x.
.

I feel you should add- IMO

[Statsman]

Look at this deal from the other side. Why would Collingwood give up pick #11 in a strong draft for Xavier Clarke and loose change? Hawthorn won't give up pick #16 for Ryan O'Keefe. What makes anybody think Collingwood would trade an even higher pick for a much lesser player? It just doesn't add up. That's way over market value for Clarke, even if you throw in Gwilt.

[SaintWodonga]

Look at this deal from the other side. Why would Collingwood give up pick #11 in a strong draft for Xavier Clarke and loose change? Hawthorn won't give up pick #16 for Ryan O'Keefe. What makes anybody think Collingwood would trade an even higher pick for a much lesser player? It just doesn't add up. That's way over market value for Clarke, even if you throw in Gwilt.

I'll take it if it's true.. 2 picks in the 1st round..

[Statsman]

Of course we'd take it. But there is no way Collingwood will offer it.

[Armoooo]

i'd miss x if he went

I wouldn't notice...

[Ralphy]

i'd miss x if he went

I wouldn't notice...

dont think id notice. he hasnt been there this trade with collingwood would be great if happened

[Armoooo]

I would like to trade xavier and gwilt for pick 11, any day of the week, if we could somehow find another deal to trade for pick 4 I would definitely be up for that... Don't know what we can offer though...

[kickittokosi!!!!]

Whilst i understand that footy is a tough business, and you cant afford to keep players who just can't cut it, I would be quite disappointed if Xavier was trading.

I understand that he's had constant injuries, X has so many positives...

Xavier has shown very good disposal skills (unlike some), great pace, and despite his frail body, a tenacity at the ball which is exciting to watch and i believe, lifts his teammates.

Why trade a young-ish fast, talented midfielder, when we we're being critcised for lacking midfield pace and depth?

Plus, whilst i know winning football games comes first, but Xavier is also a leading contributor withthe Saints Community Programs aswell as his own Aboriginal Youth Guidance (i think?) initiative.
What a fantastic role model for younger football players.

I know it's a tough business, but i hope he stays.


"Strength through loyalty"...
... does that apply with supporters and players? obvious not here.
He's been a Saint for 6-ish years now.
Don't be so quick to sell him out for some number in a draft FFS.

[plugger66]

Whilst i understand that footy is a tough business, and you cant afford to keep players who just can't cut it, I would be quite disappointed if Xavier was trading.

I understand that he's had constant injuries, X has so many positives...

Xavier has shown very good disposal skills (unlike some), great pace, and despite his frail body, a tenacity at the ball which is exciting to watch and i believe, lifts his teammates.

Why trade a young-ish fast, talented midfielder, when we we're being critcised for lacking midfield pace and depth?

Plus, whilst i know winning football games comes first, but Xavier is also a leading contributor withthe Saints Community Programs aswell as his own Aboriginal Youth Guidance (i think?) initiative.
What a fantastic role model for younger football players.

I know it's a tough business, but i hope he stays.


"Strength through loyalty"...
... does that apply with supporters and players? obvious not here.
He's been a Saint for 6-ish years now.
Don't be so quick to sell him out for some number in a draft FFS.

Thats fine that opinion as long as you feel the same way about trading Fisher, Gwilt, Ferguson and Fizz or do we only feel that way with good players or players with potential.

[meher baba]

Whilst i understand that footy is a tough business, and you cant afford to keep players who just can't cut it, I would be quite disappointed if Xavier was trading.

I understand that he's had constant injuries, X has so many positives...

Xavier has shown very good disposal skills (unlike some), great pace, and despite his frail body, a tenacity at the ball which is exciting to watch and i believe, lifts his teammates.

Why trade a young-ish fast, talented midfielder, when we we're being critcised for lacking midfield pace and depth?

Plus, whilst i know winning football games comes first, but Xavier is also a leading contributor withthe Saints Community Programs aswell as his own Aboriginal Youth Guidance (i think?) initiative.
What a fantastic role model for younger football players.

I know it's a tough business, but i hope he stays.


"Strength through loyalty"...
... does that apply with supporters and players? obvious not here.
He's been a Saint for 6-ish years now.
Don't be so quick to sell him out for some number in a draft FFS.

Thats fine that opinion as long as you feel the same way about trading Fisher, Gwilt, Ferguson and Fizz or do we only feel that way with good players or players with potential.

While I agree with your implication that the fact that a player has been at a club a long time should not, on its own, be seen as barring us from thinking about trading him.

But I see X as.being in a different category to the others you mentioned (assuming you meant L Fisher and not our B and F winner).

X and his bro are part of a cadre of young guns assembled in the 2000-03 period when we made full use of.our excellent draft picks to lift ourselves from the bottom of the table to become (regardless of what some on here pretend) one of the top handful of clubs from about mid-2003 to the present (and, hopefully into the future). The list of names still looks pretty awesome to me: Riewoldt, Kosi, Ball, X, Dal, Joey, Goose, BJ, Sam Fisher and Raph.

We have not yet traded any of these guys and (with perhaps the partial exception of Dal) all of them, including X, have consistently performed at the top level when they have not been hampered by injury (I consider that all of Kosi and Goose's performances since they were seriously injured in 2006 should be discounted on these grounds). If any of these ten guns are traded later today, it will be, in a sense, the end of an era. (OK, perhaps I'm living in the past, but it's a past I rather like the look of)

L Fisher, Ferguson and Fizz (who was basically forced on us against our will) are one-time potential guns from the same era as the ten I've listed, but basically are coming to their use-by dates at AFL level (although, personally, I think Fish still. Has something left in him)

Gwilt is a project player who has come on better than most such do. But,being a project player, he's not part of the core cadre of the club, and trading or delisting him would not be too disruptive (although I doubt we'll want to).

[fingers]

Whilst i understand that footy is a tough business, and you cant afford to keep players who just can't cut it, I would be quite disappointed if Xavier was trading.

I understand that he's had constant injuries, X has so many positives...

Xavier has shown very good disposal skills (unlike some), great pace, and despite his frail body, a tenacity at the ball which is exciting to watch and i believe, lifts his teammates.

Why trade a young-ish fast, talented midfielder, when we we're being critcised for lacking midfield pace and depth?

Plus, whilst i know winning football games comes first, but Xavier is also a leading contributor withthe Saints Community Programs aswell as his own Aboriginal Youth Guidance (i think?) initiative.
What a fantastic role model for younger football players.

I know it's a tough business, but i hope he stays.


"Strength through loyalty"...
... does that apply with supporters and players? obvious not here.
He's been a Saint for 6-ish years now.
Don't be so quick to sell him out for some number in a draft FFS.

Thats fine that opinion as long as you feel the same way about trading Fisher, Gwilt, Ferguson and Fizz or do we only feel that way with good players or players with potential.

While I agree with your implication that the fact that a player has been at a club a long time should not, on its own, be seen as barring us from thinking about trading him.

But I see X as.being in a different category to the others you mentioned (assuming you meant L Fisher and not our B and F winner).

X and his bro are part of a cadre of young guns assembled in the 2000-03 period when we made full use of.our excellent draft picks to lift ourselves from the bottom of the table to become (regardless of what some on here pretend) one of the top handful of clubs from about mid-2003 to the present (and, hopefully into the future). The list of names still looks pretty awesome to me: Riewoldt, Kosi, Ball, X, Dal, Joey, Goose, BJ, Sam Fisher and Raph.

We have not yet traded any of these guys and (with perhaps the partial exception of Dal) all of them, including X, have consistently performed at the top level when they have not been hampered by injury (I consider that all of Kosi and Goose's performances since they were seriously injured in 2006 should be discounted on these grounds). If any of these ten guns are traded later today, it will be, in a sense, the end of an era. (OK, perhaps I'm living in the past, but it's a past I rather like the look of)

L Fisher, Ferguson and Fizz (who was basically forced on us against our will) are one-time potential guns from the same era as the ten I've listed, but basically are coming to their use-by dates at AFL level (although, personally, I think Fish still. Has something left in him)

Gwilt is a project player who has come on better than most such do. But,being a project player, he's not part of the core cadre of the club, and trading or delisting him would not be too disruptive (although I doubt we'll want to).

I understand exactly what your are saying. Apart from the fact that I still think that X will be a good player for us, there is an nostalgic emotion connected to that bunch of guys.

[WayneJudson42]

Sadly, the changing nature of the game; the quikcer tempo; new rules... and now the 4 boundary umps, means that certain player "types" are no longer suitable unless they can adapt.

X is clearly "adaptable" so he should be given every opp, and I suspect he will.

Players like L Fish, and Goose may struggle.

It's all well and good to refer toa "cadre" or "core" or whatever you wish to call it, but footy is about wining flags... and there should be no sense of "nostalgia" attached to the process.

The question is, how long do you keep under performing players to avoid rocking the boat?