X Clarke Rumour
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if true watch and see chocko turn X into an all australian !!! bound to happen X is a quallity player who may never reach his potential at stkilda but at nother club could easily have us kicking ourself
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The rumour is just what it is....... a rumour.. with at this stage no basis in fact ...saintjake wrote:how much truth behind this rumour?
id rather the pies trade, it gives us 2 good first rounders, with a higher chance of getting a gun,
then jsut one top 5, with the chance of getting a fiora.
But like the countless other rumours at this time of year at least it gives us something to discuss and speculate about ...
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exactly some times that what a player needs a diff club with diff people can often bring out the best in a playerMoccha wrote:X Clarke has done NOTHING for 5 yrs. If he goes to PA and becomes an All Australian then good luck to him. We'll all be able to appreciate how good he is
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We give them 2 players, well effectively 3 players for 1 player who may or may not be a gun player.
Excuse me but that is a deal from stupidity, no draft pick is worth 3 players.
There are no guarantees that the player we get will be any good.
And if he is, by the time he gets to be good, Roo will be 30, Lenny close to retirement, etc etc.
I will be po'd if this goes through.
Excuse me but that is a deal from stupidity, no draft pick is worth 3 players.
There are no guarantees that the player we get will be any good.
And if he is, by the time he gets to be good, Roo will be 30, Lenny close to retirement, etc etc.
I will be po'd if this goes through.
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agree with you. Pick 4 is not X and Gwilt better than pick 13.3rd generation saint wrote:We give them 2 players, well effectively 3 players for 1 player who may or may not be a gun player.
Excuse me but that is a deal from stupidity, no draft pick is worth 3 players.
There are no guarantees that the player we get will be any good.
And if he is, by the time he gets to be good, Roo will be 30, Lenny close to retirement, etc etc.
I will be po'd if this goes through.
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Steele Sidebottom would walk into our best 22 right now. Michael Hurley's too good to stay at VFL level for too long. The only guy who might take that long to contibute would be Vickery, and I doubt he's at the top of our list.3rd generation saint wrote:...by the time [the draft pick] gets to be good, Roo will be 30, Lenny close to retirement, etc etc.
I will be po'd if this goes through.
The most valuable commodity we're giving up in the rumoured deal is pick 13. Clarke and Gwilt aren't worth a whole lot. They're fringe players. If Port winds up with Lewis Johnston and he winds up a dominant CHF for the Power, people down the road will question the wisdom of the deal.
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Re: X Clarke Rumour
Exactly.st.byron wrote:bum deal for us if true.SaintWodonga wrote:You mean and our pick 13?BelfastSaint wrote:According to SEN ...rumour only ...
X Clarke, J Gwilt and pick 1 all to Port for their pick 1 ...
X and Gwilt for pick 4 ok.
X, Gwilt and pick 13 for pick 4, not ok.
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Re: X Clarke Rumour
Luke Livingstone was a great pick up at 4.Solar wrote:you can't be serious??st.byron wrote:bum deal for us if true.SaintWodonga wrote:You mean and our pick 13?BelfastSaint wrote:According to SEN ...rumour only ...
X Clarke, J Gwilt and pick 1 all to Port for their pick 1 ...
X and Gwilt for pick 4 ok.
X, Gwilt and pick 13 for pick 4, not ok.
one struggled to get on the park after some bad injury years and the other is a noble park player who has played 1 good match....
Would be a very good deal for us....
That was also a pick that Port gave to us way back into the day - luckily, we on traded it to Carlton.
Pick 4 represents hope - And you was to trade away a top 5 drafted player, a fringe player AND another first round pick all for some hope.
A player that;
a) may not even make the grade
b) will take in excess of three years to break into an established team
c) is a further 3 years away from that of actually influencing games.
All for a first round draftee, a fringe player AND pick 13.......
I dont enjoy getting f***ed in the arse!
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AGREE. PICK 4 would be OH so sweet! and lets not kid ourselves. we can live without x and gwilt. they dont contribute much.Solar wrote:you can't be serious??st.byron wrote:bum deal for us if true.SaintWodonga wrote:You mean and our pick 13?BelfastSaint wrote:According to SEN ...rumour only ...
X Clarke, J Gwilt and pick 1 all to Port for their pick 1 ...
X and Gwilt for pick 4 ok.
X, Gwilt and pick 13 for pick 4, not ok.
one struggled to get on the park after some bad injury years and the other is a noble park player who has played 1 good match....
Would be a very good deal for us....
Spot on Trav. Gwilt is just a depth player, but X???st_Trav_ofWA wrote:if true watch and see chocko turn X into an all australian !!! bound to happen X is a quallity player who may never reach his potential at stkilda but at nother club could easily have us kicking ourself
If that deal went ahead, be better than a dozen christmases for Choco.
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Get over it.Con Gorozidis wrote:AGREE. PICK 4 would be OH so sweet! and lets not kid ourselves. we can live without x and gwilt. they dont contribute much.Solar wrote:you can't be serious??st.byron wrote:bum deal for us if true.SaintWodonga wrote:You mean and our pick 13?BelfastSaint wrote:According to SEN ...rumour only ...
X Clarke, J Gwilt and pick 1 all to Port for their pick 1 ...
X and Gwilt for pick 4 ok.
X, Gwilt and pick 13 for pick 4, not ok.
one struggled to get on the park after some bad injury years and the other is a noble park player who has played 1 good match....
Would be a very good deal for us....
Go and get yourself a record of the drafts year by year.
Maybe you could draft a Pick Number 4 at pick 86 given no team has shown interest in him over trade week thus far.......
PICK 4 WOULD STILL GIVE US MORE THEN WHAT X HASGrumpyOne wrote:Spot on Trav. Gwilt is just a depth player, but X???st_Trav_ofWA wrote:if true watch and see chocko turn X into an all australian !!! bound to happen X is a quallity player who may never reach his potential at stkilda but at nother club could easily have us kicking ourself
If that deal went ahead, be better than a dozen christmases for Choco.
ARE YOU ALL BLIND
FFS.
HE HAS BEEN SITTING THERE ON THE INJURED LIST FOR 5 FKN YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ok. cool. lets just hope for the best then.Spinner wrote:Get over it.Con Gorozidis wrote:AGREE. PICK 4 would be OH so sweet! and lets not kid ourselves. we can live without x and gwilt. they dont contribute much.Solar wrote:you can't be serious??st.byron wrote:bum deal for us if true.SaintWodonga wrote:You mean and our pick 13?BelfastSaint wrote:According to SEN ...rumour only ...
X Clarke, J Gwilt and pick 1 all to Port for their pick 1 ...
X and Gwilt for pick 4 ok.
X, Gwilt and pick 13 for pick 4, not ok.
one struggled to get on the park after some bad injury years and the other is a noble park player who has played 1 good match....
Would be a very good deal for us....
Go and get yourself a record of the drafts year by year.
Maybe you could draft a Pick Number 4 at pick 86 given no team has shown interest in him over trade week thus far.......
letspretend we are going to to fluke a champ smoky and that our fringe players are going to wake up one morning and be stars.
no i cant guarantee that 4 will be be a star. but you need to play the odds and the probabilities.
i am saying pick 4 is a 50% chance of being really good.
x = 10%, gwilt = 30% and pick 13 = 30% of being really good
so my calculations say 50% is the higest option on offer. get pick 4.
what im saying is we are trading off almost certain duds for a 50/50.
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\Con Gorozidis wrote:ok. cool. lets just hope for the best then.Spinner wrote:Get over it.Con Gorozidis wrote:AGREE. PICK 4 would be OH so sweet! and lets not kid ourselves. we can live without x and gwilt. they dont contribute much.Solar wrote:you can't be serious??st.byron wrote:bum deal for us if true.SaintWodonga wrote:You mean and our pick 13?BelfastSaint wrote:According to SEN ...rumour only ...
X Clarke, J Gwilt and pick 1 all to Port for their pick 1 ...
X and Gwilt for pick 4 ok.
X, Gwilt and pick 13 for pick 4, not ok.
one struggled to get on the park after some bad injury years and the other is a noble park player who has played 1 good match....
Would be a very good deal for us....
Go and get yourself a record of the drafts year by year.
Maybe you could draft a Pick Number 4 at pick 86 given no team has shown interest in him over trade week thus far.......
letspretend we are going to to fluke a champ smoky and that our fringe players are going to wake up one morning and be stars.
no i cant guarantee that 4 will be be a star. but you need to play the odds and the probabilities.
i am saying pick 4 is a 50% chance of being really good.
x = 10%, gwilt = 30% and pick 13 = 30% of being really good
so my calculations say 50% is the higest option on offer. get pick 4.
what im saying is we are trading off almost certain duds for a 50/50.
10% + 30% + 30% = 70%..........Wouldnt take that over a 50% chance?
And BTW, the simple fact that you have rated Xavier Clarke a 10% chance and Gwilt a 30% chance is a perfect great summation of your opinion on this issue.
Great to clear that up -
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at least gwilt has got on the parkSpinner wrote:\Con Gorozidis wrote:ok. cool. lets just hope for the best then.Spinner wrote:Get over it.Con Gorozidis wrote:AGREE. PICK 4 would be OH so sweet! and lets not kid ourselves. we can live without x and gwilt. they dont contribute much.Solar wrote:you can't be serious??st.byron wrote:bum deal for us if true.SaintWodonga wrote:You mean and our pick 13?BelfastSaint wrote:According to SEN ...rumour only ...
X Clarke, J Gwilt and pick 1 all to Port for their pick 1 ...
X and Gwilt for pick 4 ok.
X, Gwilt and pick 13 for pick 4, not ok.
one struggled to get on the park after some bad injury years and the other is a noble park player who has played 1 good match....
Would be a very good deal for us....
Go and get yourself a record of the drafts year by year.
Maybe you could draft a Pick Number 4 at pick 86 given no team has shown interest in him over trade week thus far.......
letspretend we are going to to fluke a champ smoky and that our fringe players are going to wake up one morning and be stars.
no i cant guarantee that 4 will be be a star. but you need to play the odds and the probabilities.
i am saying pick 4 is a 50% chance of being really good.
x = 10%, gwilt = 30% and pick 13 = 30% of being really good
so my calculations say 50% is the higest option on offer. get pick 4.
what im saying is we are trading off almost certain duds for a 50/50.
10% + 30% + 30% = 70%..........Wouldnt take that over a 50% chance?
And BTW, the simple fact that you have rated Xavier Clarke a 10% chance and Gwilt a 30% chance is a perfect great summation of your opinion on this issue.
Great to clear that up -
and played some games.
AND he wasnt a top 5 pick
promising so much
he was a long shot and worked out ok.
x has unfortuantly
got the body of an 80 yr old.