Saints to push Dogs for Cordy

[st.byron]

Sorry if this has been asked in the thread (haven't read the whole thing).

If we nominate @ #14 and the Doggies dont nominate him with their pick, can any other team with a lowere pick take him before us?

I would assume that anyone with a pick less than #14 could take him, including the Bulldogs if they have a change of heart. Is this correct?

that's right. If the Doggies don't nominate him as a father/son pick to be taken by them at # 14 then he's on the table for anyone to pick up before us at #13 even if we've said we'll take him at #13.

[MCG-Unit]

Sorry if this has been asked in the thread (haven't read the whole thing).

If we nominate @ #14 and the Doggies dont nominate him with their pick, can any other team with a lowere pick take him before us?

I would assume that anyone with a pick less than #14 could take him, including the Bulldogs if they have a change of heart. Is this correct?

Yes it's a bidding process, the team with the lowest bid wins

However if the W Bulldogs put up their first pick - they get him, even if others with earlier picks nominated him

Hope that makes sense

[joffaboy]

Sorry if this has been asked in the thread (haven't read the whole thing).

If we nominate @ #14 and the Doggies dont nominate him with their pick, can any other team with a lowere pick take him before us?

I would assume that anyone with a pick less than #14 could take him, including the Bulldogs if they have a change of heart. Is this correct?

that's right. If the Doggies don't nominate him as a father/son pick to be taken by them at # 14 then he's on the table for anyone to pick up before us at #13 even if we've said we'll take him at #13.

Thought so. Thanks very much.

[Mr Magic]

Sorry if this has been asked in the thread (haven't read the whole thing).

If we nominate @ #14 and the Doggies dont nominate him with their pick, can any other team with a lowere pick take him before us?

I would assume that anyone with a pick less than #14 could take him, including the Bulldogs if they have a change of heart. Is this correct?

that's right. If the Doggies don't nominate him as a father/son pick to be taken by them at # 14 then he's on the table for anyone to pick up before us at #13 even if we've said we'll take him at #13.

Thought so. Thanks very much.

But my understanding is that the other Club(s) must nominate that they are going to take him. They cannot just turn up on draft day and grab him with an earlier pick - their intention to take him has to have been nominated by an earlier date.

At this stage, if we have nominated we will take him at 13, it has forced the Bulldogs to use their first round pick to secure him if they want him. Conversely if the Bulldogs choose not to proceed after nominating him as a Father/Son pick then we are obliged to use our pick #13 on him (unless another Club trumps our 'bid' with a lower pick than 13). If the Bulldogs DO NOT NOMINATE HIM as a Father/Son pick then it is open slather on him in the Draft.

Does anybody know if he also qualifies for Father/Son for the Swans? (is his father the Cordy who played for both the Bulldogs and the Swans?)

[Batnoe]

Just saw a photo of him

can he push Eljay in the looks department?

[Armoooo]

So do you think they should give up pick 13 for Cordy, who reportedly is 202 cm and 77kg - and wait 3 years for him to develop, he needs to put on 20 kg he is also a long way off IMO

Personally no, I don't.

But I don't think we should completely ignore the prospect of a talented ruckman simply because we already have a few on the list...

If I were in charge I would probably take the best player available, regardless of position because let's face it, either this year or next we could really use some new talent in virtually every position.

If I had to prioritise though it would go something like this...

Pick 1: Hard at it, skillful mid who can slot straight into the side.
Pick 2: Pacey mid with good skills on both sides.
Pick 3: Medium forward who can play as a tall or small.
Pick 4: Key back
Pick 5: Key forward
Pick 6: Ruck

[Armoooo]

reckon you're on the money Armoo, except I think Rix will be retained as a depth ruck option. Discounting Gardiner because it seems he's likely to retire and if he doesn't he's played bugger all senior footy in four years, we only have King, Kosi, Blake as a pinch hitter and McEvoy. Reckon Rix will be kept in case King / Kosi are injured. We do need another ruckman coming through for sure.

I would be happy to keep Rix at the club, he gets paid peanuts as it is, IIRC the AFLPA actually made the AFL increase Rix's salary even though Rix was happy to play for less.

Rix is not an AFL quality player and I'm sure he knows that but he is still the sort of person you want around your club, he is a good last resort ruckman and he can help out some of the younger blokes and he is a dam good role model.

Keeping Rix is good for everyone IMO, but having said that he still shouldn't be taken into account when discussing our ruck stocks because he is not going to be getting a game unless King, Kosi, Blake and McEvoy all go down in the same week...

[cowboy18]

Does anybody know if he also qualifies for Father/Son for the Swans? (is his father the Cordy who played for both the Bulldogs and the Swans?)

I believe it is Brian, not Neil, Cordy.

[Saints Premiers 2008]

reckon you're on the money Armoo, except I think Rix will be retained as a depth ruck option. Discounting Gardiner because it seems he's likely to retire and if he doesn't he's played bugger all senior footy in four years, we only have King, Kosi, Blake as a pinch hitter and McEvoy. Reckon Rix will be kept in case King / Kosi are injured. We do need another ruckman coming through for sure.

I would be happy to keep Rix at the club, he gets paid peanuts as it is, IIRC the AFLPA actually made the AFL increase Rix's salary even though Rix was happy to play for less.

Rix is not an AFL quality player and I'm sure he knows that but he is still the sort of person you want around your club, he is a good last resort ruckman and he can help out some of the younger blokes and he is a dam good role model.

Keeping Rix is good for everyone IMO, but having said that he still shouldn't be taken into account when discussing our ruck stocks because he is not going to be getting a game unless King, Kosi, Blake and McEvoy all go down in the same week...

rix is a damn fine role model for anyone out there, especially younger players proving that afl is attainable whilst completing multiple degrees and being very clever

however im not sure that that equals a place on the list, more than happy if his position is justified thought on the footy field

[MCG-Unit]

So do you think they should give up pick 13 for Cordy, who reportedly is 202 cm and 77kg - and wait 3 years for him to develop, he needs to put on 20 kg he is also a long way off IMO

Personally no, I don't.........


If I were in charge I would probably take the best player available, regardless of position..........

If I had to prioritise though it would go something like this...

Pick 1: Hard at it, skillful mid who can slot straight into the side.
Pick 2: Pacey mid with good skills on both sides.
Pick 3: Medium forward who can play as a tall or small.
Pick 4: Key back
Pick 5: Key forward
Pick 6: Ruck

I agree with your priority list, I looked thru some of the draft profiles on BF - leaving out pick 1, as I think they will just take best available, looking at guys who may still be there for picks 2, 3 & 4

I went on who impressed me with their profiles

Pick 1 Best available
Pick 2 mid/hf
Pick 3 mid
Pick 4 KP
Pick 5 Ruck
Pick 6 Best recycle

[st.byron]

rix is a damn fine role model for anyone out there, especially younger players proving that afl is attainable whilst completing multiple degrees and being very clever

however im not sure that that equals a place on the list, more than happy if his position is justified thought on the footy field

agree that the role model credits Rix has aren't enough alone to warrant a place on the list, but we just don't have anyone else if King and Kosi both go down at the same time, except Blake who's a pinch hitter at best, and McEvoy who's still too green. Should definitely be retained IMO.

[Otiman]

So in reality, our two ruckmen are settled for the next 5 years at least.

King -> Replaced by McEvoy.
Koschitzke -> Replaced by someone not yet drafted, or freed up from rucking duties if McGrath, Van Rheenen, or Haretuku come on well.

[Con Gorozidis]

face facts guys. our ruck stocks are non existent.

King - Aging Ruckman who has been handy but won't be around for ever.
Koschitzke - Not a ruckman more of a tell forward who pinch hitsd in the ruck and helps in defence.
Rix - VFL player.
Gardiner - Like to retire in the next 12 months.
McEvoy - Up an coming #1 ruck but still not a Cox.
Blake - Mr Fixit is needed else where on the ground.


Van Rheenen - Potential is a dirty word in sports but this kid has some.
Haretuku - Have never seen him play so can't comment.
McGrath - Fact that he is being Drafted would suggest he is still 3 years away but has promise.

So we currently have 1 young ruckman on our list and 3 potential ruckmen on rookie lists I would say that is pretty light on for pure talent. If Cordy is worthy of such a high pick and he can develop with McEvoy then we could have a damaging ruck contingent in the future and the draft is all about the future not the next 2 years.

what is the story wih LVR? did he do a knee or something? hes not getting any younger. needs to have an impact this year you would think.

[LTN16]

1. Best Midfielder Available
2. Quick Midfielder
3. Tall Defender
4. Medium Forward
5. Ruckman/Tall Forward
6. Mature Age Tall Defender

[st.byron]

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But my understanding is that the other Club(s) must nominate that they are going to take him. They cannot just turn up on draft day and grab him with an earlier pick - their intention to take him has to have been nominated by an earlier date.

This happens if the Doggies nominate him as a father/son pick. If they do then they're obliged to take him with their first pick and it doesn't make any difference how many other clubs indicate interest or where their picks are.
If they don't nominate him then he's on the market like everyone else.
So all the Saints have done in indicating they would take him at 13 is forced the Doggies to show their hand. If the doggies say, "yes, we're going to take him at 14", then it's a done deal.
If they don't, then he's on the open market like everyone else and could be picked up by anyone with a pick higher than us.

[Otiman]

what is the story wih LVR? did he do a knee or something? hes not getting any younger. needs to have an impact this year you would think.

Broken Foot.

Didn't play NAB Cup due to us getting gametime into King and Gardiner, and getting them working well with the midfield.

[Mr Magic]

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But my understanding is that the other Club(s) must nominate that they are going to take him. They cannot just turn up on draft day and grab him with an earlier pick - their intention to take him has to have been nominated by an earlier date.

This happens if the Doggies nominate him as a father/son pick. If they do then they're obliged to take him with their first pick and it doesn't make any difference how many other clubs indicate interest or where their picks are.
If they don't nominate him then he's on the market like everyone else.
So all the Saints have done in indicating they would take him at 13 is forced the Doggies to show their hand. If the doggies say, "yes, we're going to take him at 14", then it's a done deal.
If they don't, then he's on the open market like everyone else and could be picked up by anyone with a pick higher than us.

Are you sure St Byron?
I thought only the Club that has nominated a willingness to take him with an earlier pick than the WB can (and must) do so?
The doggies only have to use their first round pick if another Club indicates/states that they are prepared to use their first round pick. If no other Club does this then the Bulldogs are not obliged to use their first round and can use a later pick (2nd or 3rd?)

[st.byron]

Are you sure St Byron?
I thought only the Club that has nominated a willingness to take him with an earlier pick than the WB can (and must) do so?
The doggies only have to use their first round pick if another Club indicates/states that they are prepared to use their first round pick. If no other Club does this then the Bulldogs are not obliged to use their first round and can use a later pick (2nd or 3rd?)

You're right Magic. My bad!! Should have done my research better.

From the AFL website 27th August :

" FOR every nominated father-son player, each club in the competition has the option to bid for the player, in reverse ladder order. If a bid is made, the club that nominated the father-son player must use its next available selection if it wishes to retain its hold on that player.
If the club nominating the father-son player declines to match the selection nominated, the club with the successful bid must use that selection at the draft on that player.
Any club that makes a successful bid on a father-son selection is bound to use the pick they nominate.
If no bid is made by another club, the club that nominated the father-son eligible player will forfeit its last selection in the draft to select the player."


So, if he's not nominated under the father/son rule prior to the draft, then yes he's on the market like everyone else and the Doggies or whoever can't suddenly pull the father/son card out at the draft table.

But once a player is nominated by a club under the father/son rule, he's in a separate category to others in the draft and must be taken by the club who nominates him or by the best bidder if the nominating club doesn't want him. Where he's taken depends on the bids made by other clubs.

Still confuses me as to when the nominating club has to declare their intention??? For eg. if the Doggies nominate him and the Saints bid pick 13 for him. No-one else bids and the Dogs maintain that they'll take him at pick 14. The Saints then draft someone else at pick 13. Can the Dogs then re-neg on their undertaking and not take him at 14? According to the rule above they can and the Saints would then be bound to take him with pick 13. Except they've already spent that pick.
There must be a clause somewhere that binds the Dogs to their undertaking. Otherwise they have the advantage of maybe we will / maybe we wont, whilst the Saints are bound to take him at 13. Doesn't seem fair.

[plugger66]

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But my understanding is that the other Club(s) must nominate that they are going to take him. They cannot just turn up on draft day and grab him with an earlier pick - their intention to take him has to have been nominated by an earlier date.

This happens if the Doggies nominate him as a father/son pick. If they do then they're obliged to take him with their first pick and it doesn't make any difference how many other clubs indicate interest or where their picks are.
If they don't nominate him then he's on the market like everyone else.
So all the Saints have done in indicating they would take him at 13 is forced the Doggies to show their hand. If the doggies say, "yes, we're going to take him at 14", then it's a done deal.
If they don't, then he's on the open market like everyone else and could be picked up by anyone with a pick higher than us.

Are you sure St Byron?
I thought only the Club that has nominated a willingness to take him with an earlier pick than the WB can (and must) do so?
The doggies only have to use their first round pick if another Club indicates/states that they are prepared to use their first round pick. If no other Club does this then the Bulldogs are not obliged to use their first round and can use a later pick (2nd or 3rd?)

Your right MM. If we say we want him with a first round pick and the dogs pass and no one else wants him with a lower first round pick than us we must then take him.

[st.byron]

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Your right MM. If we say we want him with a first round pick and the dogs pass and no one else wants him with a lower first round pick than us we must then take him.

But what happens if we've already spent that pick on someone else and then the Dogs re-neg on taking the Father / Son player?

[Armoooo]

By the wording it says next available pick, say they want to use a first rounder on him, could they not use their next pick availble and simply trade their first round pick before hand for a player like Ryan O'Keefe?

That way they get a gun with their first pick, and a should be first rounder with their second pick?

Or does the team that has nominated have to use a pick in the same round?

[plugger66]

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Your right MM. If we say we want him with a first round pick and the dogs pass and no one else wants him with a lower first round pick than us we must then take him.

But what happens if we've already spent that pick on someone else and then the Dogs re-neg on taking the Father / Son player?

It all happens before the draft.

[st.byron]

By the wording it says next available pick, say they want to use a first rounder on him, could they not use their next pick availble and simply trade their first round pick before hand for a player like Ryan O'Keefe?

That way they get a gun with their first pick, and a should be first rounder with their second pick?

Or does the team that has nominated have to use a pick in the same round?

The way it reads to me the team who's nominated him have to use their next available pick after the lowest bid from any other club.

[bigcarl]

if we go for him i hope it is because he is the best available player, not BECAUSE he is a ruckman.

But what about the other half?

sorry, don't get your meaning

[plugger66]

By the wording it says next available pick, say they want to use a first rounder on him, could they not use their next pick availble and simply trade their first round pick before hand for a player like Ryan O'Keefe?

That way they get a gun with their first pick, and a should be first rounder with their second pick?

Or does the team that has nominated have to use a pick in the same round?

The way it reads to me the team who's nominated him have to use their next available pick after the lowest bid from any other club.

If we say first round Dogs must use first round. If they finished last they would have to use pick one as they finished 3rd they use pick 14.