Agree, would they swap ROK for Dal plus their first rounder and we give them our third rounder?WayneJudson42 wrote:Wow...Apu wrote:ROK may be 28 years old (next year) but he is a quality player, and the type of player that we desperately need if we think we are going to have a crack at a premiership in the next 3 years.
We have got tall marking forwards in Roo and Kosi, smaller guys like Schnieder and Milne. What we have been missing since Aaron Hamill left is a medium sized half forward type to get the ball into these guys. We have tried C Gardiner, Gwilt, Ferguson and even Raph at various stages of the year with little success. We should do everything possible to get O'Keefe
Now if you didnt like the above please do not read on as you surely wont like what I have to say next.....
Talk of getting him for a second round pick and Leigh Fisher is ridiculous. O'Keefe is worth a first round draft pick, and unless we pay as much we simply wont get him. He played in the Victorian team last year, made this years All Australian shortlist of 40 players and came second in the swans B&F. Whereas draft picks (especially outside of the top 10) are purely speculative. Those who think a first round pick is too high a price consider what we would expect for Lenny Hayes who is also 28.
The hard decisions need to be made people. Just remember Geelong was widely panned a few years ago for giving up 2 first rounders for Brad Ottens. 2 years later Ottens IMO almost singlehandedly pulled them through the last quarter in a prelim against collingwood. Do Geelong care who Richmond drafted with those picks? Nope they were two busy polishing their premiership cup.
Big call, but it does make sense.
I reckon that even top 10 picks are also a gamble... al be it a smaller one. Bettham comes to mind, and I'm sure there were many others.
Also, most are calling to "stock up" coz of GC17.
To be honest, you can only play a certain number of young players at one time.
The trick to getting ROK will probably be to trade a name player for a first rounder and then on trade the pick for him.
That way, you get the best of both worlds.
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I really don't think that would happen but if it did we would be the definite winners there....maverick wrote:Agree, would they swap ROK for Dal plus their first rounder and we give them our third rounder?WayneJudson42 wrote:Wow...Apu wrote:ROK may be 28 years old (next year) but he is a quality player, and the type of player that we desperately need if we think we are going to have a crack at a premiership in the next 3 years.
We have got tall marking forwards in Roo and Kosi, smaller guys like Schnieder and Milne. What we have been missing since Aaron Hamill left is a medium sized half forward type to get the ball into these guys. We have tried C Gardiner, Gwilt, Ferguson and even Raph at various stages of the year with little success. We should do everything possible to get O'Keefe
Now if you didnt like the above please do not read on as you surely wont like what I have to say next.....
Talk of getting him for a second round pick and Leigh Fisher is ridiculous. O'Keefe is worth a first round draft pick, and unless we pay as much we simply wont get him. He played in the Victorian team last year, made this years All Australian shortlist of 40 players and came second in the swans B&F. Whereas draft picks (especially outside of the top 10) are purely speculative. Those who think a first round pick is too high a price consider what we would expect for Lenny Hayes who is also 28.
The hard decisions need to be made people. Just remember Geelong was widely panned a few years ago for giving up 2 first rounders for Brad Ottens. 2 years later Ottens IMO almost singlehandedly pulled them through the last quarter in a prelim against collingwood. Do Geelong care who Richmond drafted with those picks? Nope they were two busy polishing their premiership cup.
Big call, but it does make sense.
I reckon that even top 10 picks are also a gamble... al be it a smaller one. Bettham comes to mind, and I'm sure there were many others.
Also, most are calling to "stock up" coz of GC17.
To be honest, you can only play a certain number of young players at one time.
The trick to getting ROK will probably be to trade a name player for a first rounder and then on trade the pick for him.
That way, you get the best of both worlds.
I think Sydney should go for Kosi, they have a good record with power forwards from us
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What makes You such a Farking expert?St Fidelius wrote:Run and farking duck ...WayneJudson42 wrote:Ok, I'm feeling a bit adveturous tonite. (places head on the chopping block).
Give em Kosi for O'keefe and a 2nd rounder.
There, I said it.
Run for cover................................................................
You want to give up our potential first ruck and resting forward for a 28 year old PLUS a second rounder???
yeah farkin run and duck IMO
You know F*** all!
We should try to get O'keefe, He's what we're missing,
And we should try to get Cousins, he'll cost aPSD pick.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT to the Roos!
Just coz you have over 7 thousand posts doesn't make you an expert!
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We seem to be putting up our hand for other people's players more often than Collingwood.
How many have been thrown up in recent days? ROK, LRT was mentioned. Cuz, Kerr. Barry Hall. Embley. Someone threw the idea of Tyson Goldsack up there at one point.
In fact the only thing we seem to be doing with more energy is tossing up who of our own we are happy to part with. Kosi, Dal, Joey, Leigh Fisher, McQualter, C Gardiner . They all seem to be leading the race out the door at this point.
Why is the idea of consolidation and improvement of existing resources such a terrible one? Does an improving team (10th to 4th) really need to conduct a de facto fire sale?
How many have been thrown up in recent days? ROK, LRT was mentioned. Cuz, Kerr. Barry Hall. Embley. Someone threw the idea of Tyson Goldsack up there at one point.
In fact the only thing we seem to be doing with more energy is tossing up who of our own we are happy to part with. Kosi, Dal, Joey, Leigh Fisher, McQualter, C Gardiner . They all seem to be leading the race out the door at this point.
Why is the idea of consolidation and improvement of existing resources such a terrible one? Does an improving team (10th to 4th) really need to conduct a de facto fire sale?
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Mate, the only "potential" that I'd ever invest in is real estate where I am 100% certain of the outcome.St Fidelius wrote:Run and farking duck ...WayneJudson42 wrote:Ok, I'm feeling a bit adveturous tonite. (places head on the chopping block).
Give em Kosi for O'keefe and a 2nd rounder.
There, I said it.
Run for cover................................................................
You want to give up our potential first ruck and resting forward for a 28 year old PLUS a second rounder???
yeah farkin run and duck IMO
Anything other "potential" that involves human input is a major risk IMO.
I'm sick of hearing "potential" and "upside"... both intangible and 100% subjective.
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Belvedere Park and a 2nd rounder for Lexus Centre.plugger66 wrote:I am sick of trading players. Lets see if we can get Hawthorn for first rounder and as a sweetner we will throw in Ferg, Fish and G. If they will not come at that we may be able to get the Dogs for a second rounder and they can keep Minson.
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How about Joffa from the Pies and Irene Chatfield from the Doggies for Plugger66 and we will throw in Fiora and Rix as the steak knivesplugger66 wrote:I am sick of trading players. Lets see if we can get Hawthorn for first rounder and as a sweetner we will throw in Ferg, Fish and G. If they will not come at that we may be able to get the Dogs for a second rounder and they can keep Minson.
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Sax...sax wrote:What makes You such a Farking expert?St Fidelius wrote:Run and farking duck ...WayneJudson42 wrote:Ok, I'm feeling a bit adveturous tonite. (places head on the chopping block).
Give em Kosi for O'keefe and a 2nd rounder.
There, I said it.
Run for cover................................................................
You want to give up our potential first ruck and resting forward for a 28 year old PLUS a second rounder???
yeah farkin run and duck IMO
You know F*** all!
We should try to get O'keefe, He's what we're missing,
And we should try to get Cousins, he'll cost aPSD pick.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT to the Roos!
Just coz you have over 7 thousand posts doesn't make you an expert!
I have never stated that I am an expert, I just game my opinion...
Your comment of
What makes You such a Farking expert?
You know F*** all!
Just coz you have over 7 thousand posts doesn't make you an expert!
Shows me just what a STUPID tool you are...
Now why don't you F*** off if you don't like a posters opinion
This is what a forum is for, to give an opinion...
Again, if you don't like it F*** OFF!
If you think trading Kosi plus our second round draft pick for O'Keefe is a good move, that's fine by me, I just don't see it as a good get for us.
IMO (get that!) .....
IMO that deal weighs heavily towards Sydney's favour, and not ours
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I'm very much of the school of thought that you would only consider taking players aged 28 or older if they basically are guns (or close to) but are good value for some reason (King falls into this category for mine, as would Cousins through the PSD if still available at our turn, as did Gardi: although he was quite a gamble).
Otherwise, I am only in favour of taking recycled players who could conceivably manage 100 games for us: Hamill, Gehrig, Brooks, Guerra, Ackland, Powell, Gram, Penny, Fiora, McGough (who was only 22 I think, WJ42), Birss, Schneider and Dempster all fall into this category IMO, although not all of them will end up cracking the ton for us. On this basis I wouldn't have taken M Clarke - we would have done better to retain TS40 - nor C Gardiner (who never looked likely to play 100 games - although I hope he proves me wrong - but I assume we had to take over his contract in order to get King).
What about O'Keeffe? Some on here seem to see him as a sort of Hamill-type, which is nonsense. He can mark the ball well, and is a good kick for goal (probably slightly better than Hamill, in fact), but his greatest attribute is breaking/closing speed over 10-30 metres which enables him to elude markers and find space around 50 metres out from goal. I suppose we can expect every year that goes by from now to take a little bit of the edge off his pace: which is presumably why the Swans don't want to pay him as much as he expects.
So is he a gun? He certainly has been one - particularly in 2005-06, but this status is perhaps dropping away from him along with his pace. Also, as I mentioned on another thread, I have this sense that he plays his best football on wider grounds like the SCG and the MCG and not so well at the Dome.
I therefore don't think he is going to be a gun for whichever club he moves to (after all, if he was, then you'd think the Swans would try harder to hang onto him). And the fact that his pace is critical to his effectiveness means that he might not have another 100 games of AFL left in him. So, I would say no.
BTW, whichever poster got all pissy about someone saying that Schneider was cut from the Swans list: clubs (particularly those with salary cap concessions) don't typically trade players they want to keep to another club for pick 26 and throw in another pretty good player as well. So I reckon he was more or less cut.
Otherwise, I am only in favour of taking recycled players who could conceivably manage 100 games for us: Hamill, Gehrig, Brooks, Guerra, Ackland, Powell, Gram, Penny, Fiora, McGough (who was only 22 I think, WJ42), Birss, Schneider and Dempster all fall into this category IMO, although not all of them will end up cracking the ton for us. On this basis I wouldn't have taken M Clarke - we would have done better to retain TS40 - nor C Gardiner (who never looked likely to play 100 games - although I hope he proves me wrong - but I assume we had to take over his contract in order to get King).
What about O'Keeffe? Some on here seem to see him as a sort of Hamill-type, which is nonsense. He can mark the ball well, and is a good kick for goal (probably slightly better than Hamill, in fact), but his greatest attribute is breaking/closing speed over 10-30 metres which enables him to elude markers and find space around 50 metres out from goal. I suppose we can expect every year that goes by from now to take a little bit of the edge off his pace: which is presumably why the Swans don't want to pay him as much as he expects.
So is he a gun? He certainly has been one - particularly in 2005-06, but this status is perhaps dropping away from him along with his pace. Also, as I mentioned on another thread, I have this sense that he plays his best football on wider grounds like the SCG and the MCG and not so well at the Dome.
I therefore don't think he is going to be a gun for whichever club he moves to (after all, if he was, then you'd think the Swans would try harder to hang onto him). And the fact that his pace is critical to his effectiveness means that he might not have another 100 games of AFL left in him. So, I would say no.
BTW, whichever poster got all pissy about someone saying that Schneider was cut from the Swans list: clubs (particularly those with salary cap concessions) don't typically trade players they want to keep to another club for pick 26 and throw in another pretty good player as well. So I reckon he was more or less cut.
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there was no getting pissy about it, was just stating a fact. he wasn't delisted and unless you know some insider info you can't deny that.meher baba wrote: BTW, whichever poster got all pissy about someone saying that Schneider was cut from the Swans list: clubs (particularly those with salary cap concessions) don't typically trade players they want to keep to another club for pick 26 and throw in another pretty good player as well. So I reckon he was more or less cut.
schneider is a pretty decent player and we did give them pick 26 as compensation. If he was gonna get cut we should just got him in the pre season then. swans would now way have just cut him for no return surely? they just wanted to get younger and they had some tradeable players we wanted..
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Relax St Fid.St Fidelius wrote:Sax...sax wrote:What makes You such a Farking expert?St Fidelius wrote:Run and farking duck ...WayneJudson42 wrote:Ok, I'm feeling a bit adveturous tonite. (places head on the chopping block).
Give em Kosi for O'keefe and a 2nd rounder.
There, I said it.
Run for cover................................................................
You want to give up our potential first ruck and resting forward for a 28 year old PLUS a second rounder???
yeah farkin run and duck IMO
You know F*** all!
We should try to get O'keefe, He's what we're missing,
And we should try to get Cousins, he'll cost aPSD pick.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT to the Roos!
Just coz you have over 7 thousand posts doesn't make you an expert!
I have never stated that I am an expert, I just game my opinion...
Your comment of
What makes You such a Farking expert?
You know F*** all!
Just coz you have over 7 thousand posts doesn't make you an expert!
Shows me just what a STUPID tool you are...
Now why don't you F*** off if you don't like a posters opinion
This is what a forum is for, to give an opinion...
Again, if you don't like it F*** OFF!
If you think trading Kosi plus our second round draft pick for O'Keefe is a good move, that's fine by me, I just don't see it as a good get for us.
IMO (get that!) .....
IMO that deal weighs heavily towards Sydney's favour, and not ours
Also, I think WJ42 was saying Kosi, for O'Keefe and the Swans 2nd rounder.
Not Kosi and our 2nd rounder for ROK.
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Who are you calling STUPID F*** wit! I NEVER said traid Kosi. So YOU F*** off back into your box. DUMB F**KING C**T!!!St Fidelius wrote:Sax...sax wrote:What makes You such a Farking expert?St Fidelius wrote:Run and farking duck ...WayneJudson42 wrote:Ok, I'm feeling a bit adveturous tonite. (places head on the chopping block).
Give em Kosi for O'keefe and a 2nd rounder.
There, I said it.
Run for cover................................................................
You want to give up our potential first ruck and resting forward for a 28 year old PLUS a second rounder???
yeah farkin run and duck IMO
You know F*** all!
We should try to get O'keefe, He's what we're missing,
And we should try to get Cousins, he'll cost aPSD pick.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT to the Roos!
Just coz you have over 7 thousand posts doesn't make you an expert!
I have never stated that I am an expert, I just game my opinion...
Your comment of
What makes You such a Farking expert?
You know F*** all!
Just coz you have over 7 thousand posts doesn't make you an expert!
Shows me just what a STUPID tool you are...
Now why don't you F*** off if you don't like a posters opinion
This is what a forum is for, to give an opinion...
Again, if you don't like it F*** OFF!
If you think trading Kosi plus our second round draft pick for O'Keefe is a good move, that's fine by me, I just don't see it as a good get for us.
IMO (get that!) .....
IMO that deal weighs heavily towards Sydney's favour, and not ours
Stop hiding behind your User name.
I don't post very often because I ONLY post when I have a STRONG OPINION, NOT just for the F*** of it!
You've obviously posted so many times because you ave an extremely HIGH opinion of yourself as a FOOTY EXPERT! You've probably never played a game in your life but seem to know alot about it!!!
If you want to talk about this further send me a PM I'd be happy to release personal details and talk to you over the phone or in person.
I actually said L. Fisher and a #rd rounder for O'Keefe!
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I don't give a flying F*** what you said, the OP suggested the trade for Kosi and a second rounder and you response to me was abusive...sax wrote:Who are you calling STUPID F*** wit! I NEVER said traid Kosi. So YOU F*** off back into your box. DUMB F**KING C**T!!!St Fidelius wrote:Sax...sax wrote:What makes You such a Farking expert?St Fidelius wrote:Run and farking duck ...WayneJudson42 wrote:Ok, I'm feeling a bit adveturous tonite. (places head on the chopping block).
Give em Kosi for O'keefe and a 2nd rounder.
There, I said it.
Run for cover................................................................
You want to give up our potential first ruck and resting forward for a 28 year old PLUS a second rounder???
yeah farkin run and duck IMO
You know F*** all!
We should try to get O'keefe, He's what we're missing,
And we should try to get Cousins, he'll cost aPSD pick.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT to the Roos!
Just coz you have over 7 thousand posts doesn't make you an expert!
I have never stated that I am an expert, I just game my opinion...
Your comment of
What makes You such a Farking expert?
You know F*** all!
Just coz you have over 7 thousand posts doesn't make you an expert!
Shows me just what a STUPID tool you are...
Now why don't you F*** off if you don't like a posters opinion
This is what a forum is for, to give an opinion...
Again, if you don't like it F*** OFF!
If you think trading Kosi plus our second round draft pick for O'Keefe is a good move, that's fine by me, I just don't see it as a good get for us.
IMO (get that!) .....
IMO that deal weighs heavily towards Sydney's favour, and not ours
Stop hiding behind your User name.
I don't post very often because I ONLY post when I have a STRONG OPINION, NOT just for the F*** of it!
You've obviously posted so many times because you ave an extremely HIGH opinion of yourself as a FOOTY EXPERT! You've probably never played a game in your life but seem to know alot about it!!!
If you want to talk about this further send me a PM I'd be happy to release personal details and talk to you over the phone or in person.
I actually said L. Fisher and a #rd rounder for O'Keefe!
This was in response to the OP's original post for Kosi and a second round pick for O'Keefe...What makes You such a Farking expert?
You know F*** all!
Just coz you have over 7 thousand posts doesn't make you an expert!
Now you say that I am abusive
To suggest that I having a high post count means that I obviously have a high opinion of myself is nothing but immature at lest, or maybe bordering on just be a total F*** WIT
To suggest that I have not played the game because I made a comment that IMO (DO YOU FARKIN GET THAT) IN MY OPINION the trade of Kosi plus a second round draft pick to me (AND THAT IS MY OPINION) is totally stacked in Sydney's favour.
I wouldn't PM you if you paid me, let alone speak to you via a telephone.
GROW UP D1CK WAD and release that this is a public forum and where opinions are posted...
You got abusive to me and I just return serve...
F*** WIT
PS this is abusive
AGAIN GROW UP!DUMB F**KING C**T!!
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
dont let the poster get to you St.Fid - obviously talks a good game on the internet with all those swear words in caps. 
Dont let him suck you in. He/she/it is just a goose.
Dont let him suck you in. He/she/it is just a goose.
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There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
You would think so. Swearing, shouting, making vieled threats.ohwhenthesaints! wrote:Shouldn't the moderator's be getting involved now, this poster is going against all the forum rules....and seems to be just out to cause trouble?
Mabye the mods are awaiting advice from the club before acting
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
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both seem to be over stepping the mark now.joffaboy wrote:You would think so. Swearing, shouting, making vieled threats.ohwhenthesaints! wrote:Shouldn't the moderator's be getting involved now, this poster is going against all the forum rules....and seems to be just out to cause trouble?
Mabye the mods are awaiting advice from the club before acting
it was suggested kosi for o'keefe AND a draft pick wasn't it. not the other way round and us giving a draft pick. gotta read posts more carefully.
the last time i saw arguing like this was the prelim against hawks when fights nearly broke out, had a full bottle of water come flying and hit my leg when i went down the aisle to support a fellow saint, haha. but fighting amongst ourselves is something different.