If Goose returns....

This unofficial St Kilda Saints fan forum is for people of all ages to chat Saints Footy and all posts must be respectful.

Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators

Post Reply
User avatar
Joffa Burns
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 7081
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 5:48pm
Has thanked: 1871 times
Been thanked: 1570 times

If Goose returns....

Post: # 651161Post Joffa Burns »

Would you play him as a forward?
The forward line is very one dimensional at the moment.
IMO Kosi is not the answer up forward.

Goose may struggle with mobility and pace at CHB coming off the leg injury, I wonder how he would go up forward.

Can take a contested mark and use his strong body to bring the ball to ground to the benefit of Milne, the Arm waver and co.


Proudly assuming the title of forum Oracle and serving as the inaugural Saintsational ‘weak as piss brigade’ President.
bigcarl
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 18655
Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 1:36am
Has thanked: 1994 times
Been thanked: 873 times

Re: If Goose returns....

Post: # 651167Post bigcarl »

Joffa Burns wrote:Would you play him as a forward?
The forward line is very one dimensional at the moment.
IMO Kosi is not the answer up forward.

Goose may struggle with mobility and pace at CHB coming off the leg injury, I wonder how he would go up forward.

Can take a contested mark and use his strong body to bring the ball to ground to the benefit of Milne, the Arm waver and co.
chf is certainly worth thinking about if he can get back to his barnstorming form of a couple of years ago.

but that's a big IF given his injury history.


Thinline
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6043
Joined: Mon 21 May 2007 5:31pm
Location: Currumbin, Quoinslairnd

Post: # 651170Post Thinline »

If he's fit, I think Goose at CHF will be the only place he can legitimately play.

Unless he's really been recuperating beyond brilliantly, with the way teams run out of half back these days, he'd likely get left behind you'd think. That, and our back six is pretty settled presently.

That said, why not at CHF? The more I think about it, the more I like the sound of it. Worth considering for sure.


User avatar
Otiman
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 8798
Joined: Thu 28 Jul 2005 11:09pm
Location: Elsewhere
Has thanked: 203 times
Been thanked: 662 times

Post: # 651232Post Otiman »

Yes, mentioned this earlier and the idea was shunned.

Is a good kick of the footy, but even though he has played in defense most of his career, he can run quick in straight lines, but can't turn too quickly, so is easily exposed by certain types of players.

Is just about the best option we have on our list for a leading forward.


plugger66
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 50626
Joined: Mon 26 Feb 2007 8:15pm
Location: oakleigh

Post: # 651234Post plugger66 »

Not got the forward skills. Pook kick, doubt he would be good on a lead and not really a good contested amrk. Is a straight ahead footballer who is a backman and will play there if fit enough otherwise could be in trouble.


timtam
Club Player
Posts: 72
Joined: Mon 08 Sep 2008 2:04pm
Location: Victoria

Post: # 651242Post timtam »

plugger66 wrote:Not got the forward skills. Pook kick, doubt he would be good on a lead and not really a good contested amrk. Is a straight ahead footballer who is a backman and will play there if fit enough otherwise could be in trouble.
Your kidding me? A poor kick? Obviously you don't remember him pre-injury... especially some of his big kicks from outside the 50m mark.

Another one of our biggest problems is we have no one who is capable of kicking a goal from outside the 50. Been that way for a few years now (not to mention midfielders lack of goals!).


Don't argue with an idiot - people watching may not be able to tell the difference.
plugger66
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 50626
Joined: Mon 26 Feb 2007 8:15pm
Location: oakleigh

Post: # 651246Post plugger66 »

timtam wrote:
plugger66 wrote:Not got the forward skills. Pook kick, doubt he would be good on a lead and not really a good contested amrk. Is a straight ahead footballer who is a backman and will play there if fit enough otherwise could be in trouble.
Your kidding me? A poor kick? Obviously you don't remember him pre-injury... especially some of his big kicks from outside the 50m mark.

Another one of our biggest problems is we have no one who is capable of kicking a goal from outside the 50. Been that way for a few years now (not to mention midfielders lack of goals!).
Doubt he has kicked to many from set shots. Get a couple on the run but forwards have to kick from set shots.


timtam
Club Player
Posts: 72
Joined: Mon 08 Sep 2008 2:04pm
Location: Victoria

Post: # 651252Post timtam »

plugger66 wrote:
timtam wrote:
plugger66 wrote:Not got the forward skills. Pook kick, doubt he would be good on a lead and not really a good contested amrk. Is a straight ahead footballer who is a backman and will play there if fit enough otherwise could be in trouble.
Your kidding me? A poor kick? Obviously you don't remember him pre-injury... especially some of his big kicks from outside the 50m mark.

Another one of our biggest problems is we have no one who is capable of kicking a goal from outside the 50. Been that way for a few years now (not to mention midfielders lack of goals!).
Doubt he has kicked to many from set shots. Get a couple on the run but forwards have to kick from set shots.
Bit different from your earlier post. You claim he can't kick, now you doubt he can? I think if you go back and watch the games when he was at his prime prior to the horrific leg break, you may change your mind.


Don't argue with an idiot - people watching may not be able to tell the difference.
plugger66
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 50626
Joined: Mon 26 Feb 2007 8:15pm
Location: oakleigh

Post: # 651257Post plugger66 »

timtam wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
timtam wrote:
plugger66 wrote:Not got the forward skills. Pook kick, doubt he would be good on a lead and not really a good contested amrk. Is a straight ahead footballer who is a backman and will play there if fit enough otherwise could be in trouble.
Your kidding me? A poor kick? Obviously you don't remember him pre-injury... especially some of his big kicks from outside the 50m mark.

Another one of our biggest problems is we have no one who is capable of kicking a goal from outside the 50. Been that way for a few years now (not to mention midfielders lack of goals!).
Doubt he has kicked to many from set shots. Get a couple on the run but forwards have to kick from set shots.
Bit different from your earlier post. You claim he can't kick, now you doubt he can? I think if you go back and watch the games when he was at his prime prior to the horrific leg break, you may change your mind.
I said he was a poor kick for goal not he cant kick and I stand by it. Not a good set shot kick. Anyway that is hardly the most important thing. Getting it is a little more important.


User avatar
Life Long Saint
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 5535
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 12:54pm
Has thanked: 63 times
Been thanked: 484 times
Contact:

Post: # 651275Post Life Long Saint »

plugger66 wrote:I said he was a poor kick for goal not he cant kick and I stand by it. Not a good set shot kick.
Quite right...Look at Robert Harvey...Excellent kick to a lead and in general play but put him in front of goal...different story.


User avatar
4ever_saint
Club Player
Posts: 388
Joined: Wed 09 Aug 2006 3:04pm

Post: # 651283Post 4ever_saint »

plugger66 wrote:
timtam wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
timtam wrote:
plugger66 wrote:Not got the forward skills. Pook kick, doubt he would be good on a lead and not really a good contested amrk. Is a straight ahead footballer who is a backman and will play there if fit enough otherwise could be in trouble.
Your kidding me? A poor kick? Obviously you don't remember him pre-injury... especially some of his big kicks from outside the 50m mark.

Another one of our biggest problems is we have no one who is capable of kicking a goal from outside the 50. Been that way for a few years now (not to mention midfielders lack of goals!).
Doubt he has kicked to many from set shots. Get a couple on the run but forwards have to kick from set shots.
Bit different from your earlier post. You claim he can't kick, now you doubt he can? I think if you go back and watch the games when he was at his prime prior to the horrific leg break, you may change your mind.
I said he was a poor kick for goal not he cant kick and I stand by it. Not a good set shot kick. Anyway that is hardly the most important thing. Getting it is a little more important.
kicked 3 goals while on buddy franklin against hawthorn in 2005. granted it was buddys first year- 3 goals is still an accomplishment for a backman ;)

i reckon he should sit at ff until fully fit, can take a strong mark and if back at full fitness could fill the undeniable hole in our forward line.


User avatar
bigred
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 11463
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 7:39am
Has thanked: 25 times
Been thanked: 609 times

Post: # 651292Post bigred »

Depends on his body shape as he finished preseason 2009.

He COULD be a forward. Goose is strong as all hell and he has some freakin agro about him.

Would be very Hamillish across HF....

Could do worse.

Time will tell...

Goose has the option to reinvent himself atm....


"Now the ball is loose, it gives St. Kilda a rough chance. Black. Good handpass. Voss. Schwarze now, the defender, can run and from a long way".....
User avatar
rexy
SS Life Member
Posts: 3373
Joined: Wed 24 Mar 2004 12:12am
Location: The Gully

Post: # 651294Post rexy »

If we are going to play him forward, which is an idea with some merit IMO, he would need to play at FF. CHF requires similar running ability to CHB (strangely enough considering they play on each other :wink: ), plus Roo is the best CHF in the league according to the AA selectors, why would we need a CHF?

We must either dvelop Goose or Allen into a FF, play Kosi or McEvoy there permenantly and give the other one the second ruck spot or recruit another tall forward who can play out of the square.

Possible trades NDS to Sydney for Hall
NDS to Richmond for Jack Reiwoldt
something? to Freo for Murphy


Maybe this year?
User avatar
Joffa Burns
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 7081
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 5:48pm
Has thanked: 1871 times
Been thanked: 1570 times

Post: # 651310Post Joffa Burns »

Not sure what you are on about here plugger66...
plugger66 wrote: I said he was a poor kick for goal not he cant kick and I stand by it. Not a good set shot kick. Anyway that is hardly the most important thing. Getting it is a little more important.
Actually you didn’t say/write that at all plugger66, you wrote that Goose was a POOK Kick (meaning poor) see below....
plugger66 wrote:Not got the forward skills. Pook kick,


Proudly assuming the title of forum Oracle and serving as the inaugural Saintsational ‘weak as piss brigade’ President.
User avatar
bigred
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 11463
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 7:39am
Has thanked: 25 times
Been thanked: 609 times

Post: # 651434Post bigred »

NDS to Richmond for Jack Reiwoldt
They would be mad..

I reckon that kid will be a fkn good player in a few seasons...


RIewoldt that is.


"Now the ball is loose, it gives St. Kilda a rough chance. Black. Good handpass. Voss. Schwarze now, the defender, can run and from a long way".....
saintjake
Club Player
Posts: 1511
Joined: Sat 09 Feb 2008 1:49pm
Contact:

Post: # 651487Post saintjake »

theres already been a post on this..


User avatar
n1ck
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 9871
Joined: Sun 08 Aug 2004 2:28am
Location: Clarinda
Has thanked: 78 times
Been thanked: 91 times

Post: # 651497Post n1ck »

rexy wrote:Possible trades NDS to Sydney for Hall
What?!?


SainterX
Club Player
Posts: 453
Joined: Sat 08 Mar 2008 10:11pm

Post: # 651872Post SainterX »

Put Sam Fisher up there. At least when Nick goes down the ground he has someone to kick to who can keep running for him, and be the link man, unlike Kosi and co.


A true king doesn't glass his girlfriend.
A true king doesn't smear his blood on an opponent when he cannot break a tag.
A true king does not label umpires disgraceful.
A true king is Robert Harvey.
timtam
Club Player
Posts: 72
Joined: Mon 08 Sep 2008 2:04pm
Location: Victoria

Post: # 651913Post timtam »

plugger66 wrote:Not got the forward skills. Pook kick, doubt he would be good on a lead and not really a good contested amrk. Is a straight ahead footballer who is a backman and will play there if fit enough otherwise could be in trouble.
plugger66 wrote:I said he was a poor kick for goal not he cant kick and I stand by it. Not a good set shot kick. Anyway that is hardly the most important thing. Getting it is a little more important.
Poor kick or poor kick for goal? Which one is it? Seems you change your mind every time you post!

Generally defenders don't have a lot of set shots at goal on a regular basis so how do you know exactly how good or bad he is? From the shots he had pre-injury, he looked OK to me!!!! Specially when he was thumping the ones from outside 50m straight through the sticks!


Don't argue with an idiot - people watching may not be able to tell the difference.
Saint Mik
Club Player
Posts: 962
Joined: Sat 24 Mar 2007 6:54pm

Post: # 651915Post Saint Mik »

timtam wrote:
plugger66 wrote:Not got the forward skills. Pook kick, doubt he would be good on a lead and not really a good contested amrk. Is a straight ahead footballer who is a backman and will play there if fit enough otherwise could be in trouble.
plugger66 wrote:I said he was a poor kick for goal not he cant kick and I stand by it. Not a good set shot kick. Anyway that is hardly the most important thing. Getting it is a little more important.
Poor kick or poor kick for goal? Which one is it? Seems you change your mind every time you post!

Generally defenders don't have a lot of set shots at goal on a regular basis so how do you know exactly how good or bad he is? From the shots he had pre-injury, he looked OK to me!!!! Specially when he was thumping the ones from outside 50m straight through the sticks!
He has got a long way to go before he gets back to that form, I hope he does but it is a big IF going on his recent injuries.


Forget the past, Saints footy, One better in 2010
bigcarl
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 18655
Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 1:36am
Has thanked: 1994 times
Been thanked: 873 times

Post: # 651916Post bigcarl »

goose at his injury-free peak was inspirational. people have forgotten just how good he was and how good he was going to be.

IF he can get back to full fitness and IF hasn't lost too much confidence from all those horrible injuries then he's definitely worthy of strong consideration at chf.

as a few have pointed out there are a few big IFs there.


User avatar
mightysainters
SS Hall of Fame
Posts: 1986
Joined: Tue 16 Mar 2004 2:21pm
Has thanked: 28 times
Been thanked: 52 times

Post: # 651917Post mightysainters »

Guys we did recruit him as a FF... He was a FF in under 18's and was a good kick... If we start to groom him he will start to improve on his set shot just was bit shaky on it when he had played backline for a few years. Although he has lost alot of pace and doubt he will be up to AFL level after this kind of lay off


User avatar
St Fidelius
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 10492
Joined: Sun 01 Aug 2004 10:30am

Post: # 651918Post St Fidelius »

IMO Goose is in a dilemma ....

Max is not getting any younger, and a FB in the future is required...

Goose can't play FB, he has been questionable in the past being in the last line in the defence...

The only option I can see is CHB with maybe fisher at FB with Max at BP...

We are farked if and when Max calls it a day IMO

We would loose the run Sam Fisher has from the HB if he plays at FB..

If Goose goes forward, just who will be our next FB??


Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
SainterX
Club Player
Posts: 453
Joined: Sat 08 Mar 2008 10:11pm

Post: # 651926Post SainterX »

We would loose the run Sam Fisher has from the HB if he plays at FB..

Silvagni :lol:

or dare I say it

Pennnny :P


A true king doesn't glass his girlfriend.
A true king doesn't smear his blood on an opponent when he cannot break a tag.
A true king does not label umpires disgraceful.
A true king is Robert Harvey.
User avatar
Otiman
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 8798
Joined: Thu 28 Jul 2005 11:09pm
Location: Elsewhere
Has thanked: 203 times
Been thanked: 662 times

Post: # 651930Post Otiman »

SainterX wrote:Pennnny :P
Wasn't there a rumour that he nominated for the draft last year?


Post Reply