FRANKSTON DEAL NOT DONE YET

[GrumpyOne]

- room to swing a cat.

We might need that space come Saturday week.

[Pilgram]

- room to swing a cat.

We might need that space come Saturday week.

presumably, yes.
or at the very least in 2010 !!

[ausfatcat]

hmm Belvedere includes:

- An MCG sized oval
- Gymnasium
- Rehabilitation pool
- Meeting rooms
- Lecture theatre
- Indoor sports hall for basketball, netball and a host of other sports

No mention of administration facilities

[plugger66]

hmm Belvedere includes:

- An MCG sized oval
- Gymnasium
- Rehabilitation pool
- Meeting rooms
- Lecture theatre
- Indoor sports hall for basketball, netball and a host of other sports

No mention of administration facilities

Stays at moorabbin as far as I know.

[Otiman]

hmm Belvedere includes:

- An MCG sized oval
- Gymnasium
- Rehabilitation pool
- Meeting rooms
- Lecture theatre
- Indoor sports hall for basketball, netball and a host of other sports

No mention of administration facilities

Stays at moorabbin as far as I know.

And if we want to move there in the future, there is plenty of opportunities for that too.

[ausfatcat]

So thats how they have shaved money off the project.. by removing the whole admin relocation out of the project.



Isn't this a problem that has been identified by the Melbourne Football Club (seperate train and admin) as a major problem with there club?

[plugger66]

So thats how they have shaved money off the project..



Isn't this a problem that has been identified by the Melbourne Football Club (seperate train and admin) as a major problem with there club?

As far as I remember admin was always staying at Moorabbin. If anyone will know it will be Sandy scorps as he will be known as next year.

[casey scorp]

Time to change the name of this topic now mods?

What to? BELVEDERE DEAL NOT YET DONE

Unfortunately I reckon that they'll just about make this one work. Crap location, but there's now so much credibility of different people invested in it happening that it will be shepherded over the line.

casey scorp has shown himself to be a resounding idiot throughout just quietly.

If I'm an idiot what are the people who believed that what the club trotted out last November would actually happen?

These people just swallow whatever they're fed, and they're now the great Belvedere advocates.

Lemmings just following their leader over the precipice!

[RBnW]

Time to change the name of this topic now mods?

What to? BELVEDERE DEAL NOT YET DONE

Unfortunately I reckon that they'll just about make this one work. Crap location, but there's now so much credibility of different people invested in it happening that it will be shepherded over the line.

casey scorp has shown himself to be a resounding idiot throughout just quietly.

If I'm an idiot what are the people who believed that what the club trotted out last November would actually happen?

These people just swallow whatever they're fed, and they're now the great Belvedere advocates.

Lemmings just following their leader over the precipice!

Casey Fields or Smelly Fields as you should be know from now on...

I think this post from another thread should be shared here on this your very own Smelly thread....

time to move on Smelly and accept the facts.....Smelly Fields was never what you made it out to be and you never answered any of my points on the real content of the Smelly Council offer.....
So if you missed what was posted on another thread.....here it is again...

the deal at caset field was not what you keep rolling out as the $4m...to the club it was around $500k .....you know that the club had to build what casey wanted including 2 basketball courts and a few other things....
not a very good deal and nothing like the Frankston deal.....but you know that...just dont want to share it do you...

you being the council expert can validate how good a deal Frankston is, but lets have a shot at it here, now together

Lease
Moorabbin 50 years at $100k each year = $5m
Belverdere 50 years at $1 each year = $50
Savings $4,950,000 yes that is millions

Oval Maintainance
Moorabbin 50 years at $500k each year = $25m
Belvedere 50 years at $10k each year = $500k
Savings $24,500,000 yes more millions

total savings Moorabbin v Belvedere $29,450,000 yes lots of millions

you are right, we ran here to quickly, took the first deal that came along... should have waited for a better deal from Smelly town. .....knee jerk board and executives....how dare they save us $29,450,000 (millions)and take our players to an elite training facility in the heart of our existing supporter base that will help this grow over then next 20 years.....

while we are here....on the boutique stadium...if built and if at Casey ...whoever owns it will pay us to play there.....the afl will want to play 20 or more games a year if it is built......and the home team will not get to train on the ground if there are that many afl and maybe vfl games being played there every week and they wont build it unless they play games there every week.....

So its Frankston (Belvedere is in Frankston City Council area) and a saving to the club of $29,000,000 an asset of $11,000,000 and a debt of $1.43m and an elite training centre an MCG sized oval that the club controls.......and best of all No Smell.....

[Pilgram]

as far as i know the admin are moving to seaford aswell.
the only thing that will stay at morabbin are the pokies and the social club HQ.

[GrumpyOne]

Casey Fields or Smelly Fields as you should be know from now on...
.....and best of all No Smell.....

You let yourself down RBW with what is otherwise an erudite and considered comment by using that sort of analogy.

Casey Fields is nowhere near the Brooklands Estate and the infamous tip.

And if you are that concerned about old tips and smells you might like to check on the previous uses of our current and future home.

[casey scorp]

[
Lease
Moorabbin 50 years at $100k each year = $5m
Belverdere 50 years at $1 each year = $50
Savings $4,950,000 yes that is millions

Oval Maintainance
Moorabbin 50 years at $500k each year = $25m
Belvedere 50 years at $10k each year = $500k
Savings $24,500,000 yes more millions

total savings Moorabbin v Belvedere $29,450,000 yes lots of millions

Those figures are absolute crap. If you know that, and you're trying to present them as fact, then it's a pretty poor effort. Imagine suggesting, for example, that it would cost $500k pa to maintain an oval. Who do you think you are fooling?

That is about the shallowest and most inaccurate piece of financial analysis I reckon I've ever seen.

You didn't do St KFC's initial analysis for Frankston Park did you?

[zebraman]

Time to change the name of this topic now mods?

What to? BELVEDERE DEAL NOT YET DONE

Unfortunately I reckon that they'll just about make this one work. Crap location, but there's now so much credibility of different people invested in it happening that it will be shepherded over the line.

Now Casey...calling Belvedere Park a "crap" locationi is a bit rich when you keep pumping up Casey Fields,,,,At least Belvedere Park has a hint of civilisation near it unlike the back woods where Casey Fields has been built...I doubt if there has been a more user UNfriendly site than Casey Fields...for the umteenth time I'll say it again....Casey Fields is an excellent facility in god damn awful location...and if you think that the train line is going to be reopened...then you're really into wishful thinking....and judging from the council meeting the other night, there are a few councill;ors against the money being spent on Melbourne going there....it got through...on a 5-4 vote which indicates that the Melbourne move there has not been a unanimous decision...

[Pilgram]

casey scorp,
ur mum's a crap bloke and your view's are useless.

[casey scorp]

Now Casey...calling Belvedere Park a "crap" locationi is a bit rich when you keep pumping up Casey Fields,,,,At least Belvedere Park has a hint of civilisation near it unlike the back woods where Casey Fields has been built...

In 5 years there will have been a huge amount of infrastructure and facilities built within 1 km of Casey Fields - other than the St KFC training centre there won't be much more near Belverdere Park. CF will leave BP in its dust. That is the reality - there was nothing in the area but farms 5 years ago where CF is, and yet nothing has changed in 30 years around BP.

for the umteenth time I'll say it again....Casey Fields is an excellent facility in god damn awful location...and if you think that the train line is going to be reopened...then you're really into wishful thinking.......

I agree that it is in what at present appears to be a strange location. But then I remember when Waverley Park was built. It was in the middle of nowhere. It's not anymore! Things change, and in fact with an ounce of understanding of urban development you can see where that will happen.

And the railway line will be re-opened. To say it won't just displays a lack of understanding of politics, and the current inexorable and popular move back to rail travel.

....and judging from the council meeting the other night, there are a few councill;ors against the money being spent on Melbourne going there....it got through...on a 5-4 vote which indicates that the Melbourne move there has not been a unanimous decision...

If MFC got through 5-4 then there must have been two Councillors not voting. Assuming they are supporters of MFC, then that is 7-4 - the same voting margin for most of the votes on the matter.

Have you known many votes in a Council or Parliament to be unanimous?

MFC may not be unanimously supported, but it is strongly supported by the Councillors who are in the majority. The opponents simply were politically opportunistic last week, and tried to link it into the methane situation. Despite a couple of supporters being away, the opponents still failed.

On-going strong support is what is sought by MFC and the Scorpions. And that is what has been provided by Casey Council for some time. Casey Council has long recognised the value of elite teams being located in its area, and values their contribution to the community. Others have lost interest, or it's likely to be a passing fad.

However, like all Council elections, it remains to be seen what will happen in November. The situation in Frankston, Kingston and Casey will indeed be interesting.

[plugger66]

Now Casey...calling Belvedere Park a "crap" locationi is a bit rich when you keep pumping up Casey Fields,,,,At least Belvedere Park has a hint of civilisation near it unlike the back woods where Casey Fields has been built...

In 5 years there will have been a huge amount of infrastructure and facilities built within 1 km of Casey Fields - other than the St KFC training centre there won't be much more near Belverdere Park. CF will leave BP in its dust. That is the reality - there was nothing in the area but farms 5 years ago where CF is, and yet nothing has changed in 30 years around BP.

for the umteenth time I'll say it again....Casey Fields is an excellent facility in god damn awful location...and if you think that the train line is going to be reopened...then you're really into wishful thinking.......

I agree that it is in what at present appears to be a strange location. But then I remember when Waverley Park was built. It was in the middle of nowhere. It's not anymore! Things change, and in fact with an ounce of understanding of urban development you can see where that will happen.

And the railway line will be re-opened. To say it won't just displays a lack of understanding of politics, and the current inexorable and popular move back to rail travel.

....and judging from the council meeting the other night, there are a few councill;ors against the money being spent on Melbourne going there....it got through...on a 5-4 vote which indicates that the Melbourne move there has not been a unanimous decision...

If MFC got through 5-4 then there must have been two Councillors not voting. Assuming they are supporters of MFC, then that is 7-4 - the same voting margin for most of the votes on the matter.

Have you known many votes in a Council or Parliament to be unanimous?

MFC may not be unanimously supported, but it is strongly supported by the Councillors who are in the majority. The opponents simply were politically opportunistic last week, and tried to link it into the methane situation. Despite a couple of supporters being away, the opponents still failed.

On-going strong support is what is sought by MFC and the Scorpions. And that is what has been provided by Casey Council for some time. Casey Council has long recognised the value of elite teams being located in its area, and values their contribution to the community. Others have lost interest, or it's likely to be a passing fad.

However, like all Council elections, it remains to be seen what will happen in November. The situation in Frankston, Kingston and Casey will indeed be interesting.

Just lost a prelim and you are posting this crap.

[SENsei]

Gotta agree with plugger for once. Couldn't give a fat rat's tossbag about training venues or council shenanigans at present.

[plugger66]

Gotta agree with plugger for once. Couldn't give a fat rat's tossbag about training venues or council shenanigans at present.

Only once now that upsets me. Surely you have agreed before.

[SENsei]

Gotta agree with plugger for once. Couldn't give a fat rat's tossbag about training venues or council shenanigans at present.

Only once now that upsets me. Surely you have agreed before.

I disagree with that assertion.

And I just disagreed with you elsewhere I think.

But I'm also tired and emotional.

[St Fidelius]

Gotta agree with plugger for once. Couldn't give a fat rat's tossbag about training venues or council shenanigans at present.

Only once now that upsets me. Surely you have agreed before.

I disagree with that assertion.

And I just disagreed with you elsewhere I think.

But I'm also tired and emotional.

Thanks for your input,

Gee Why the F*** bother...

Go to sleep and F*** off if that's all you can offer, or maybe that ute is parked outside your driveway

Fair Dinkum ...

what a farken useless post, come back when you have a little nap and forget about your

But I'm also tired and emotional

post

[Moccha]

I reckon this thread should be locked and then deleted.

It's superfluous

[RBnW]

[
Lease
Moorabbin 50 years at $100k each year = $5m
Belverdere 50 years at $1 each year = $50
Savings $4,950,000 yes that is millions

Oval Maintainance
Moorabbin 50 years at $500k each year = $25m
Belvedere 50 years at $10k each year = $500k
Savings $24,500,000 yes more millions

total savings Moorabbin v Belvedere $29,450,000 yes lots of millions

Those figures are absolute crap. If you know that, and you're trying to present them as fact, then it's a pretty poor effort. Imagine suggesting, for example, that it would cost $500k pa to maintain an oval. Who do you think you are fooling?

That is about the shallowest and most inaccurate piece of financial analysis I reckon I've ever seen.

You didn't do St KFC's initial analysis for Frankston Park did you?

Smelly....nice cut and paste job.....leave out the bits you dont like
you would have noticed that I was asking you as the local govt expert to put a figure on this
So we will ask you again

If its not $500k then what is it $300k
that would make the savings at $15,000,000
still good.....

the deal at casey field was not what you keep rolling out as the $4m...to the club it was around $500k .....you know that the club had to build what casey wanted including 2 basketball courts and a few other things....
not a very good deal and nothing like the Frankston deal.....but you know that...just dont want to share it do you...

The Q I asked was you being the council expert can validate how good a deal Frankston is, but lets have a shot at it here, now together

Lease
Moorabbin 50 years at $100k each year = $5m
Belverdere 50 years at $1 each year = $50
Savings $4,950,000 yes that is millions

Oval Maintainance
Moorabbin 50 years at $500k each year = $25m
Belvedere 50 years at $10k each year = $500k
Savings $24,500,000 yes more millions

total savings Moorabbin v Belvedere $29,450,000 yes lots of millions

we should shut this down now the season is over and the deal is done.....you will be able to wtch MFC play at Smelly fields and we will be at Sandy by the bay, having pre game lattes in Hampton St with 2 or 3 thousand watching our games and a gentle sea breeze rolling in..... and all while we build our training centre at Seaford (which is in Frankston City)
To close it off The Deal is now Done at Frankston......

[SENsei]

Gotta agree with plugger for once. Couldn't give a fat rat's tossbag about training venues or council shenanigans at present.

Only once now that upsets me. Surely you have agreed before.

I disagree with that assertion.

And I just disagreed with you elsewhere I think.

But I'm also tired and emotional.

Thanks for your input,

Gee Why the F*** bother...

Go to sleep and F*** off if that's all you can offer, or maybe that ute is parked outside your driveway

Fair Dinkum ...

what a farken useless post, come back when you have a little nap and forget about your

But I'm also tired and emotional

post

Hello Stalker. Nice to see you again.

Useless post? Pot. Kettle. Black.

I'd tell you what I really think of your sorry self, but why would I give you the satisfaction.

But to use your lovely turn of phrase....F*** off and stop stalking me.

[bobmurray]

I went and had a look at Belvedere today.....

I think Frankston Council is taking the piss and StKilda is oblivious to the fact.....


Desperation can be blinding........

[Bernard Shakey]

Tassie here we come!