Saints new Training base to now be at Seaford!!!!!!

[SENsei]

Who out of all the existing Vic based teams own the freehold for there training facilities ?

Your argument is null and void.

move on!

Not craw.......CRAW!

[kickittokosi!!!!]

Personally, i don't see the need for freehold ownership over a football ground.
Surely if freehold available, it would have cost the club further $$$ than in the agreed deal.
Ultimately, a member-based football club, should invest in income-producing assets. That can provide funds that can a 'buffer' during the various economic cycles of a football club.
Isn't NFC and MelbFC currently problems ultimately cash-flow related?
Perhaps, i'm missing something here, but how does owning a football ground (for prodimantly training) provide any substantial cash-flow?
Does Moorabbin provide any income?
Thoughts?

[JeffDunne]

When we went to Moorabbin, we won our only premiership in pretty quick time. If we go to Seaford, we quite probably will win our second pretty quickly too.

I'm sold.

Where do we sign?

[kaos theory]

You just don't get it, do you Kaos.

History exists for us to learn from.

When we went to Moorabbin, we won our only premiership in pretty quick time. If we go to Seaford, we quite probably will win our second pretty quickly too.

But it was all downhill from the 70s. We only kept afloat by not paying our players; getting them to accept piffling cents in the dollar settlements, and getting our legend to donate a car he won to be raffled for the clubs benefit.

A part of our history we should all be ashamed of and remains unrectified to this day.

We will not survive in Melbourne without substantial asset backing, and that must be in the form of freehold property. We cannot continue to gamble our existance on being finalists for the next 20 or so years.

What use is all the premierships won by Fitzroy now?

Short term gain, long term pain.

Grumpy, you are spouting emotional nonsense. I don't think you have a clue about what you are trying to say.

Re-read my post

[Legendary]

And for every single St Kilda fan born after 1966, what use is a piece of paper with the world "freehold" written on it?


I'd rather have a cup engraved with "Premiers".

[Stephen Theodore]

n1ck wrote:
No offence to the Frankstonites... I would have settled for Frankston Oval, but Belvedere Park? Gimme a break.

Excuse my ignorance, but having left Melbourne well over 30 years ago, what is wrong with Seaford ? Isnt it closer to Melbourne than Frankston ?

[GrumpyOne]

Yep. it was bloody Moorabbins fault. We had crap players and coaches and a membership that couldnt get over 10k All because of the cursed Moorabbin ground. I should think you would be glad we are leaving sucha place.

Get a grip.... its not about location.

Who out of all the existing Vic based teams own the freehold for there training facilities ?

Not the whole ground, just the admin base would be a start. A permanent location that is ours, not given or taken away at the whim of a local council.

Ultimately, a member-based football club, should invest in income-producing assets. That can provide funds that can a 'buffer' during the various economic cycles of a football club.
Isn't NFC and MelbFC currently problems ultimately cash-flow related?
Perhaps, i'm missing something here, but how does owning a football ground (for prodimantly training) provide any substantial cash-flow?

How about a nice prominent building that can be used for social/pokies? Like what was proposed for the corner of Linton Street/South Road? Now that would be an income producing asset.

Does Moorabbin provide any income?
Thoughts?

Pokie Machine revenue? Once we leave Linton street the terms of our lease are theoretically breached. Do we depend on nice friendly Kingston to leave us there in a decrepit old part grandstand given their anti-pokie stance?

Re-read my post

I did. In your proposal we are dependant on this new facility allowing us to play finals every year. Other things other than training facilities determine that. The draft is designed to even up the competition. Emotional or not, as I said, history exists for us to learn from.

[GrumpyOne]

And for every single St Kilda fan born after 1966, what use is a piece of paper with the world "freehold" written on it?


I'd rather have a cup engraved with "Premiers".

I hear that Fitzroy has about half a dozen going cheap.

What use are they now?

[Solar]

Can I urge everyone to read the above post

FFS

This obession with freehold is over the top. Yes, its good to have it. If we don't have freehold, then I'm sure it will be something long-term and legally binding & benefical to the saints.

The REAL point is this:

- We NEED an elite training facility and we need it ASAP!

- If we go into further discussions with other potenital sites (especially some of the wishful thinking expressed here...), then we face MORE uncertainty, MORE cost and MORE time (probably more years) without an elite level training facility.

- If some of you haven't worked it out yet, its going to get MUCH harder to win a flag with more teams entering the comp & draft picks tied up with the new clubs.

- We need to do everything we can to control the things we can control to continue to be a top team. And an elite training facility is VITAL thing we can control.

- Generating cash flow is FAR more important than some freehold asset on the books. IF we can't generate positive cash flow & profit, year in year out, then everything elese is irrelevent.

- Therefore, we need to perform, win games, and play in finals, yr in yr out. And the training facility is a vital part of achieving that....NOT whether we can stroll down a hip & trendy street and buy a cafe latte after a training session.

I couldn't give a stuff where the bloody facility is. Some here don't seem to understand reality, and are stuck in a dream world....

I urge everyone to read the above post

We have managed to sign off on the development of a $11m elite facility. There are no issues with overlays or other football or cricket teams having previous hold over the land. It will be the size of the MCG and has scope to be used by not only the local community but other professional sporting clubs. That generates money. The fact that it is at the end of two main freeways and is closer to the city must be positives for the playing and coaching group.

Yes we don't have an asset but with an outlay at less then $2m I think this is a good result. Basically we have a very good lease on a very good development for 50 years. Sounds like the lexus centre except it is not in the centre of melbourne. Collingwood's income does not come from their elite facility, it is fully there to give their football dept. the best facilities to make them a better football team.

I believe this is a great outcome, very similar to the casey option but closer to melbourne. They other key is it has been signed off and will be started very soon. This is fantastic news.

Apart from those in the centre of frankston that wanted to visit the players training, I'm not sure the difference between having at frankston oval or seaford?

[bigred]

In my honest opinion, I couldnt give a rats tossbag about who has the freehold....or title, or whatnot.

As long as we get a 50 odd year lease on the back of our name, and an elite training facility I am happy.

We need to tighten the screws on Telstra Dome to get better and better deals out of the criminal running the show...

I couldnt give a damn about the pokies...Get rid of them. I dont believe they belong in suburbia anyway.

The one and only thing that I actually care about here, is that our god damned football club, gets proper training facilities. A modern gym, a freakin swimming pool, coaching theatres...The whole freakin lot.

We are so far behind interstate clubs it is not funny. Even the dogs will have their facility completed before us.

I am actually amazed that we can still make it into the last two weeks of the season, when we are training out of a delapidated, CONDEMNED pile of bricks that was built, and last updated over sixty years ago.

Get over it.

I look forward to seeing what we can do when we actually have the facilities at hand.

[evertonfc]

You guys seem like we should be happy the club has finally got the deal done, as in, we were running out of time?

Don't get me wrong, I want a real home, I want it now too...

But is this the best we could do for the long term of the club?

Or the best we could do right now?

[GrumpyOne]

You guys seem like we should be happy the club has finally got the deal done, as in, we were running out of time?

Don't get me wrong, I want a real home, I want it now too...

But is this the best we could do for the long term of the club?

Or the best we could do right now?

Wise words, Ev.

[Geezer]

im thinking its the best short term solution . . . . . for 5 or so years . . .

remember the AFL is bleating about another Botique stadium that it needs (35000-50000) . . . and all signs point to eastern or south eastern suburbs. . . . expect the saint's to be in the mix for a full on training facility with any new stadium.

(most new stadiums built around the world are paired with an elite facility training, medical, recovery and admin buildings )

think Lexus centre attatched to a 35000 size stadium in SE Suburbs in 10 years time... and the saints name all over it.

[n1ck]

You guys seem like we should be happy the club has finally got the deal done, as in, we were running out of time?

Don't get me wrong, I want a real home, I want it now too...

But is this the best we could do for the long term of the club?

Or the best we could do right now?

This is exactly my point.

Succinctly put, Ev.

Is this really the best we could do?

[ScubaSam44]

Hell, they better name it after something to do with harvey.
he damnwell deserves it.

ahaha good point

The Burke Harvey Loewe Oval
ahahahahahah

[Saints43]

In my honest opinion, I couldnt give a rats tossbag about who has the freehold....or title, or whatnot.

It would be far better to own the land.

Imagine what Moorabbin would be worth sub-divided had we negotiated for it in the early sixties. Do you think the facilities would be in the state they're in now if we could have afforded to refurbish based on the capital growth of the site?

It would have been a home for ever.

This is what we should be aiming for now.

[plugger66]

Sounds like a very good deal in a better position for the current players to get to if they stay where they live know and only 5-10 minutes to Frankston. I dont understand this middle of nowhere stuff. What about the Hawks at Waverley. What should it be near the Rialto? Casino? What is Moorabbin near at the moment, the old town hall, or Moorabbin police station.

As long as the facilities are first class we should all be happy. By the way I doubt it will be called a stadium as it will be a footy ground with a couple of buildings around it.

[GrumpyOne]

In my honest opinion, I couldnt give a rats tossbag about who has the freehold....or title, or whatnot.

It would be far better to own the land.

Imagine what Moorabbin would be worth sub-divided had we negotiated for it in the early sixties. Do you think the facilities would be in the state they're in now if we could have afforded to refurbish based on the capital growth of the site?

It would have been a home for ever.

This is what we should be aiming for now.

Hear Hear.

The exact point that should be made.

[Legendary]

You guys seem like we should be happy the club has finally got the deal done, as in, we were running out of time?

Don't get me wrong, I want a real home, I want it now too...

But is this the best we could do for the long term of the club?

Or the best we could do right now?

We were running out of time, that's the point.

EVERY OTHER SINGLE CLUB in the AFL will have an "elite" training facility before us.

Every other bloody club.


What .... we spend another two years stuffing around just to see if there is a "better option"?

It's the best we can do right now and for the next 5-10 years ..... BECAUSE that's when we need this.

We need our players in decent facilities ASAP.


BTW, there is no future in pokies. Will be outlawed or heavily regulated in suburbs in Australia within the next couple of years.
Need to start moving away from that revenue stream.

[evertonfc]

You've hit on the key issue.

You believe the club needs the best it can get now.

I believe the club should get the best it can possibly get. Even if it means waiting and negotiating for another year or two.

I think that's what has split everyone.

[n1ck]

You've hit on the key issue.

You believe the club needs the best it can get now.

I believe the club should get the best it can possibly get. Even if it means waiting and negotiating for another year or two.

I think that's what has split everyone.

Yes.

Two very, very different things.

The best available right now, and the best available.

[Mr Magic]

You've hit on the key issue.

You believe the club needs the best it can get now.

I believe the club should get the best it can possibly get. Even if it means waiting and negotiating for another year or two.

I think that's what has split everyone.

Wasn't the whole platform of this current Board to get the spending up on Football issues to where it should be?

Surely 'state of the art' facilities (and all that that entails) would be a primary focus of that?

To 'hang around' waiting for a better proposition to come along in a year or 2 or 5 is surely holdnig back any success we might be striving for?

As long as we can be assured that they ahve done their due diligence and this is the best option we can get, I see no reason to hold off waiting for a possible better one in teh future.

If you did hold on, how would you be sure that the option in front of you was better than the next one coming along?

[Pilgram]

barks4 has broken his loaf

[st.byron]

You've hit on the key issue.

You believe the club needs the best it can get now.

I believe the club should get the best it can possibly get. Even if it means waiting and negotiating for another year or two.

I think that's what has split everyone.

Wasn't the whole platform of this current Board to get the spending up on Football issues to where it should be?

Surely 'state of the art' facilities (and all that that entails) would be a primary focus of that?

To 'hang around' waiting for a better proposition to come along in a year or 2 or 5 is surely holdnig back any success we might be striving for?

As long as we can be assured that they ahve done their due diligence and this is the best option we can get, I see no reason to hold off waiting for a possible better one in teh future.

If you did hold on, how would you be sure that the option in front of you was better than the next one coming along?

I agree with Magic on this one. Can see the point some posters have about the best vs the best available, but there's no guarantees that a better option would be available in one, two, five years and we desperately need a state of the art training facility.

[Legendary]

We've been waiting and negotiating 5 years. How long do we need?

You can wait and negotiate until the Second Coming.

We've gotta do this.

We are behind everyone else. It will affect our on-field performance.