Riewoldt not even in top 10 for MVP award!

[jakestar1]

I really disagreed with what happened that night
how can and i know Richo had a great year but him be voted
higher than Reiwoldt, are they blind, do they not watch what this guy has done for the club, He is the most valuable player in my opinion
because if we dont have him- where stuffed and as for Ablett they can replace him so not so valuable
?

[rodgerfox]

Riewoldt can't kick.

We overrate him.

Until he even resembles a reliable kick for goal, then we're overrating him.

[HarveysDeciple]

Riewoldt can't kick.

We overrate him.

Until he even resembles a reliable kick for goal, then we're overrating him.

Is Franklin overrated? he is a worse kick then riewoldt.

[jakestar1]

so when he won us the 8 games, we emmidatly elimate that because of bad kicking

[rodgerfox]

Riewoldt can't kick.

We overrate him.

Until he even resembles a reliable kick for goal, then we're overrating him.

Is Franklin overrated? he is a worse kick then riewoldt.

He kicked 100 goals.

Riewoldt kicked 50 odd.

[rodgerfox]

so when he won us the 8 games, we emmidatly elimate that because of bad kicking

No - he won us those games because he kicked well.

See my point?

[jakestar1]

when do you see franklin take marks he shouldnt
and also reiwoldt had 24 assists this year equal second
Buddy not even 4

[rodgerfox]

also reiwoldt had 24 assists this year equal second
Buddy not even 4

That's a good point actually.

But still only gets Roo up to 75 odd goals for the year against Franklin's 115.



I don't want to compare the two, I'm only using the comparison as it was brought up by someone else.


Fact is, Roo costs us alot with his woeful goal kicking. Until he sorts this out (if infact he can sort it out) he won't get the respect that he could.

And we won't be as good as we could be.

[yipper]

also reiwoldt had 24 assists this year equal second
Buddy not even 4

That's a good point actually.

But still only gets Roo up to 75 odd goals for the year against Franklin's 115.



I don't want to compare the two, I'm only using the comparison as it was brought up by someone else.


Fact is, Roo costs us alot with his woeful goal kicking. Until he sorts this out (if infact he can sort it out) he won't get the respect that he could.

And we won't be as good as we could be.

And the point was made that Franklin has cost the Hawks some games because he is a dreadful kick at goal. He kicked 100 goals because he plays at FF and is on the end of a high achieving midfield group. He is a super talent - but a poor kick at goal. So, by your logic - he must be overrated!! Riewoldt plays at CHF - and spends very little time near our goals as opposed to Franklin - yet has 50 goals to his name and a high number of assists - yet is overrated??

[Saints Premiers 2008]

who cares

[Life Long Saint]

I think the point is that we overrate him compared to his peers and that's who votes for the MVP.

The umpires may have a different view entirely.

[rodgerfox]

also reiwoldt had 24 assists this year equal second
Buddy not even 4

That's a good point actually.

But still only gets Roo up to 75 odd goals for the year against Franklin's 115.



I don't want to compare the two, I'm only using the comparison as it was brought up by someone else.


Fact is, Roo costs us alot with his woeful goal kicking. Until he sorts this out (if infact he can sort it out) he won't get the respect that he could.

And we won't be as good as we could be.

And the point was made that Franklin has cost the Hawks some games because he is a dreadful kick at goal. He kicked 100 goals because he plays at FF and is on the end of a high achieving midfield group. He is a super talent - but a poor kick at goal. So, by your logic - he must be overrated!! Riewoldt plays at CHF - and spends very little time near our goals as opposed to Franklin - yet has 50 goals to his name and a high number of assists - yet is overrated??

Which games did he cost them?

[rodgerfox]

He is a super talent - but a poor kick at goal. So, by your logic - he must be overrated!! Riewoldt plays at CHF - and spends very little time near our goals as opposed to Franklin - yet has 50 goals to his name and a high number of assists - yet is overrated??

If you read the OP, you'll find that he wasn't in the top 10 in the comp as rated by his peers.

So it's not my logic.

He isn't rated by the people he plays alongside.

So, by anyone's logic, if Saints fans have him in the top 10 in the comp, but the players don't - we overrate him.

That's pretty straight forward really.

[yipper]

also reiwoldt had 24 assists this year equal second
Buddy not even 4

That's a good point actually.

But still only gets Roo up to 75 odd goals for the year against Franklin's 115.



I don't want to compare the two, I'm only using the comparison as it was brought up by someone else.


Fact is, Roo costs us alot with his woeful goal kicking. Until he sorts this out (if infact he can sort it out) he won't get the respect that he could.

And we won't be as good as we could be.

And the point was made that Franklin has cost the Hawks some games because he is a dreadful kick at goal. He kicked 100 goals because he plays at FF and is on the end of a high achieving midfield group. He is a super talent - but a poor kick at goal. So, by your logic - he must be overrated!! Riewoldt plays at CHF - and spends very little time near our goals as opposed to Franklin - yet has 50 goals to his name and a high number of assists - yet is overrated??

Which games did he cost them?

Ok, off the top of the head - against the Doggies in Tassie?? Where he kicked 1.7 or something. Fact is - the Hawthorn match committee don't rate his kicking skills at all - would rather Williams or Roughie take a shot to win the game. You made the point that due to Riewoldt's kicking ability - he is overrated!! Well, Franklin is a worse kick - yet he is not overrated?? My view is that both Franklin and Riewoldt are genuine superstars - they are most definately not overrated. Kicking skills are irrelevent.

[yipper]

He is a super talent - but a poor kick at goal. So, by your logic - he must be overrated!! Riewoldt plays at CHF - and spends very little time near our goals as opposed to Franklin - yet has 50 goals to his name and a high number of assists - yet is overrated??

If you read the OP, you'll find that he wasn't in the top 10 in the comp as rated by his peers.

So it's not my logic.

He isn't rated by the people he plays alongside.

So, by anyone's logic, if Saints fans have him in the top 10 in the comp, but the players don't - we overrate him.

That's pretty straight forward really.

But you suggested that is his kicking that is the issue!!

[yipper]

If you read the OP, you'll find that he wasn't in the top 10 in the comp as rated by his peers.

So it's not my logic.

He isn't rated by the people he plays alongside.

Just maybe that rating was over the entire season - all 22 rounds?? Riewoldt has only been at his best since Round 12ish?? So, maybe - if he had played at that level over all 22 weeks - he would have been top 4 ish do you think.

[saintsRrising]

Riewoldt can't kick.

We overrate him.

Until he even resembles a reliable kick for goal, then we're overrating him.

So by that theory every key forward in the AFL must be overated as even the most accurate key forward is only in 10% more accurate that Roo ?

And with Bradshaw he has the HUGE advantage that he mainly stays very very close to goal with Brown roaming further out.

Obviously Jonathon Brown must be vastly overated player too


G B Accuracy %
Riewoldt 57 39 . 59.375
Roughhead69 51 . 57.5
Franklin 110 86 56.12244898
Fev 99 51 66
Brown 70 47 59.82905983
Bradshaw 75 31 70.75471698
Pavlich 67 35 65.68627451
Mooney 49 32 60.49382716

[saintsRrising]

On Riewoldt he is a genuine A+ player...and probably the only one at the Saints at present.

There are many overated players at the Saints, but Riewoldt is definately not one of them.

[The Saintsational Man]

who cares

As always.....and again.....agreed with you.

There are more important things to worry about.

[yipper]

On Riewoldt he is a genuine A+ player...and probably the only one at the Saints at present.

There are many overated players at the Saints, but Riewoldt is definately not one of them.

Agreed.

[WayneJudson42]

Riewoldt can't kick.

We overrate him.

Until he even resembles a reliable kick for goal, then we're overrating him.

BLASPHEMER May they bury you in an anthill and smother your head with honey

[rodgerfox]

He is a super talent - but a poor kick at goal. So, by your logic - he must be overrated!! Riewoldt plays at CHF - and spends very little time near our goals as opposed to Franklin - yet has 50 goals to his name and a high number of assists - yet is overrated??

If you read the OP, you'll find that he wasn't in the top 10 in the comp as rated by his peers.

So it's not my logic.

He isn't rated by the people he plays alongside.

So, by anyone's logic, if Saints fans have him in the top 10 in the comp, but the players don't - we overrate him.

That's pretty straight forward really.

But you suggested that is his kicking that is the issue!!

It is a very big issue.

[SENsei]

Apparently Carlton & Collingwood don't rate Franklin either, going from their votes.

[rodgerfox]

Riewoldt can't kick.

We overrate him.

Until he even resembles a reliable kick for goal, then we're overrating him.

So by that theory every key forward in the AFL must be overated as even the most accurate key forward is only in 10% more accurate that Roo ?

And with Bradshaw he has the HUGE advantage that he mainly stays very very close to goal with Brown roaming further out.

Obviously Jonathon Brown must be vastly overated player too


G B Accuracy %
Riewoldt 57 39 . 59.375
Roughhead69 51 . 57.5
Franklin 110 86 56.12244898
Fev 99 51 66
Brown 70 47 59.82905983
Bradshaw 75 31 70.75471698
Pavlich 67 35 65.68627451
Mooney 49 32 60.49382716

That obviously doesn't include complete shanks that miss everything. He has at least one of them every week.

Seriously, Roo is a star. Noone can doubt that.

But he, in my eyes, can be as much of a match loser as a match winner.


Until the first is addressed, he is overrated by many. In particular Saints fans.

Very much the same as Richo. He's a star. A champion even. But he's never been held in the same regard as other champion forwards because his kicking let's the team down.

Anyone who denies Roo's kicking is poor and a serious problem is in denial.

[saintsRrising]

Anyone who denies Roo's kicking is poor and a serious problem is in denial.

Roo's field kicking is actually quite good.