Kerr

[St Igmata]

Is the window open now realistically?
Keep in mind if King goes down who is the ruckman to step in?
So many holes.
Why lose 2 players for one player when there is so much to do?
Realistically Kerr or not winning a flag over the next 3 years is next to impossible.
With not much youth coming through to fill holes and the GC team and the drafting gravity of all that,what happens after that?
Kerr is not the answer.
Keeping the picks and drafting well ,may be.

[ausfatcat]

The contracted side is a pain, in other words Westcoast wont lose him if they don't do a trade.


But if they truely want to offload him, there may be a bargain in the making (a player is only worth what a team is willing to pay).

[St Igmata]

The contracted side is a pain, in other words Westcoast wont lose him if they don't do a trade.


But if they truely want to offload him, there may be a bargain in the making (a player is only worth what a team is willing to pay).

Correct!

So why would pick 12 or so make it happen ?
If WC were eager to get rid of Kerr surely there are other teams that can equal that kind of offer and have just as much to offer Kerr.Maybe more.

[WayneJudson42]

Is the window open now realistically?
Keep in mind if King goes down who is the ruckman to step in?
So many holes.
Why lose 2 players for one player when there is so much to do?
Realistically Kerr or not winning a flag over the next 3 years is next to impossible.
With not much youth coming through to fill holes and the GC team and the drafting gravity of all that,what happens after that?
Kerr is not the answer.
Keeping the picks and drafting well ,may be.

I see your point. And posted in another thread that this is the over riding factor. Where does the club see itself in terms of winning a flag in the next few years?

Once that is answered, the rest will follow.

Here's the thing... ok, if King goes down, do you play Kosi, who isn't a ruckman, or simply blood McEvoy?

Once again, we have to look at the overall picture. If we ain't got good kids coming through now, who's to say the next crop will be any better?

[markp]

Is the window open now realistically?
Keep in mind if King goes down who is the ruckman to step in?
So many holes.
Why lose 2 players for one player when there is so much to do?
Realistically Kerr or not winning a flag over the next 3 years is next to impossible.
With not much youth coming through to fill holes and the GC team and the drafting gravity of all that,what happens after that?
Kerr is not the answer.
Keeping the picks and drafting well ,may be.

Our only hope is to have a crack before the new AFL love-child comes of age, and while we still have roo, lenny, dal, BJ... 1-5 years.

[WayneJudson42]

Is the window open now realistically?
Keep in mind if King goes down who is the ruckman to step in?
So many holes.
Why lose 2 players for one player when there is so much to do?
Realistically Kerr or not winning a flag over the next 3 years is next to impossible.
With not much youth coming through to fill holes and the GC team and the drafting gravity of all that,what happens after that?
Kerr is not the answer.
Keeping the picks and drafting well ,may be.

Our only hope is to have a crack before the new AFL love-child comes of age, and while we still have roo, lenny, dal, BJ... 1-5 years.

Bingo... or you risk them becoming the gen Loewe, Burke, Harvey, Winmar.

[St Igmata]

Is the window open now realistically?
Keep in mind if King goes down who is the ruckman to step in?
So many holes.
Why lose 2 players for one player when there is so much to do?
Realistically Kerr or not winning a flag over the next 3 years is next to impossible.
With not much youth coming through to fill holes and the GC team and the drafting gravity of all that,what happens after that?
Kerr is not the answer.
Keeping the picks and drafting well ,may be.

Our only hope is to have a crack before the new AFL love-child comes of age, and while we still have roo, lenny, dal, BJ... 1-5 years.

Depth is the issue.
Wont win flags without it.

Geelong /Hawthorn have it.

Kerr wont bring depth he will bring the opposite.As the trade will shallow the depth front.

[St Igmata]

Is the window open now realistically?
Keep in mind if King goes down who is the ruckman to step in?
So many holes.
Why lose 2 players for one player when there is so much to do?
Realistically Kerr or not winning a flag over the next 3 years is next to impossible.
With not much youth coming through to fill holes and the GC team and the drafting gravity of all that,what happens after that?
Kerr is not the answer.
Keeping the picks and drafting well ,may be.

Our only hope is to have a crack before the new AFL love-child comes of age, and while we still have roo, lenny, dal, BJ... 1-5 years.

Bingo... or you risk them becoming the gen Loewe, Burke, Harvey, Winmar.

Trade the first pick or not use it wisely and couple that with whatever else goes to WC in a package and youre guaranteeing exactly what youre hoping wont happen.5 stars and no backups.

[WayneJudson42]

Is the window open now realistically?
Keep in mind if King goes down who is the ruckman to step in?
So many holes.
Why lose 2 players for one player when there is so much to do?
Realistically Kerr or not winning a flag over the next 3 years is next to impossible.
With not much youth coming through to fill holes and the GC team and the drafting gravity of all that,what happens after that?
Kerr is not the answer.
Keeping the picks and drafting well ,may be.

Our only hope is to have a crack before the new AFL love-child comes of age, and while we still have roo, lenny, dal, BJ... 1-5 years.

Depth is the issue.
Wont win flags without it.

Geelong /Hawthorn have it.

Kerr wont bring depth he will bring the opposite.As the trade will shallow the depth front.

So will a good midfield. Look at WCE... their Judd, Cuz, Kerr allowed them to cover for a lack of quality fwds and win a flag. Mids went... WCE collapsed.

Good mids allow your 2nd string to play well. ATM, Joey gets a tag and so does Dal, and Lenny.

Don't confuse depth with mid-field depth. Which is what the Cats have in spades and so do Hawks.

Let's see how the cards fall.

[kaos theory]

If Kerr and maybe Cousins came in we would have to get rid of 1.

Out of the above list and in terms of playing good football throughout the year, Dal would be on the chopping block.

Again, I would aviod trading away talent like that. Dal has had one bad yr, and illness for about 4 to 5 weeks (but was still improtant in winning some key games), and people want to trade him.

He is always the first to be tagged in our team. He is the key play maker when in the midfield.

If we get Kerr and/or cousins, it takes pressure off Dal and allows him to be more damaging and creative. To match the cats & hawks next yr, the gut busting run & effort of a Kerr and/or cousins will complement the creativity of Dal...

[WayneJudson42]

Is the window open now realistically?
Keep in mind if King goes down who is the ruckman to step in?
So many holes.
Why lose 2 players for one player when there is so much to do?
Realistically Kerr or not winning a flag over the next 3 years is next to impossible.
With not much youth coming through to fill holes and the GC team and the drafting gravity of all that,what happens after that?
Kerr is not the answer.
Keeping the picks and drafting well ,may be.

Our only hope is to have a crack before the new AFL love-child comes of age, and while we still have roo, lenny, dal, BJ... 1-5 years.

Bingo... or you risk them becoming the gen Loewe, Burke, Harvey, Winmar.

Trade the first pick or not use it wisely and couple that with whatever else goes to WC in a package and youre guaranteeing exactly what youre hoping wont happen.5 stars and no backups.

As opposed to what we have now? What part of "if it's the right deal" don't you get?

[SainterK]

Exactly...I started another thread yesterday that depth is our issue....but no one replied

Geelong and Hawthorn have it, and Collingwood whilst they may not have depth so to speak, they are great at preparing their players so that they are "game ready" when needed.

We need some coaching staff to put in time with our developing players, someone to fill a mentor type role.

As I mentioned in my other post, I think that alot of the depth comes from success and a competitive nature amongst the players...if that makes sense!

[St Igmata]

Will have more holes in the side in three years than a tonne of swiss cheese if picks are not used properly.
Geelong and Hawthorn are miles ahead of the competition which means that it will be awfully difficult to win a flag Kerr or no Kerr.
Then what happens to the Saints in three years from now without fresh blood coming thrugh to fill the gaps?
Should be looking for more picks in this draft than losing them.
For future's sake!

[spert]

Now is the time for Armo, Allen, Geary, McEvoy to get a taste of final footy. We wont beat Geelong this year, so drop the players who are not prepared to bust their gut for their team: Kozi, DalSanto, Milne, Schnieder, R & X Clarke. Bring in the future.

[Duggie1]

Has Cousins gone of the boil?

[remboy]

This place is amazing. We spend most of the year saying we need more kids and we have to use our draft picks better and yet every time someone's name is thrown up everyone's on here saying we should trade half the world to get them.
It's been reported that WC will want two top ten picks for Kerr with one being in the top 4. At best our first pick will be 11. So we'd have to trade something very big to get a top 4 pick (and Kosi won't be enough to get it).
Also, at the moment we don't have the space under the salary cap. A report earlier in the year said our player payments were the 4th highest in the AFL. Fraser and Harv's retiring won't help much because they wouldn't be getting a huge amount and Kerr would probably want at least as much as the two of them are getting between them this year.
Forget about chasing these players, use our picks and develop our own stars. It won't get any easier once GC and West Sydney come in.

[evertonfc]

Err, we tried the kids - a lot of them aren't up to it.

So, what's the solution? Bring in a combination of proven players who can fill legitimate holes at under the market rate while bringing in other youngsters.

You can do both. It is possible.

It's not like Kerr is 29-31 (Cousins is, but he is costs nothing - so it's a no-brainer); and worth more than every first round pick we've had combined since...well, Goddard in 2002?

We have been crap at recruiting since we jumped off the bottom of the table.

We've added important depth in trading because our recruiting has been diabolical. Howard, Clarke, Armitage, Ferguson, Gilbert, McQualter, McEvoy - who of those first two round draft picks have added something to our list? Granted, McEvoy looks like he will, but you still must appreciate the point that we have squandered our picks big time.

Our value has come far more from our 'bargain' trading and it's not unfair to say our late picks (S Fisher, Gwilt, Geary, Eddy, C Jones, Allan, etc) have done as much as our early picks.

You want to know where those 'six or seven' players we needed should have come from? From the first two rounds of the draft.

Quite frankly, our recruiting has been questionable at best and trading impressive at worst.

I think we can strike a balance of trading picks for proven talent (our first two picks this year will be in the order of 11/12 and 27/28 - you'd be crazy not to offer this for Kerr), whilst I am confident we can ship off enough dead wood to bring through some players from late in the draft and off the rookie list.

[tweedaletomanning]

Err, we tried the kids - a lot of them aren't up to it.

So, what's the solution? Bring in a combination of proven players who can fill legitimate holes at under the market rate while bringing in other youngsters.

You can do both. It is possible.

It's not like Kerr is 29-31 (Cousins is, but he is costs nothing - so it's a no-brainer); and worth more than every first round pick we've had combined since...well, Goddard in 2002?

We have been crap at recruiting since we jumped off the bottom of the table.

We've added important depth in trading because our recruiting has been diabolical. Howard, Clarke, Armitage, Ferguson, Gilbert, McQualter, McEvoy - who of those first two round draft picks have added something to our list? Granted, McEvoy looks like he will, but you still must appreciate the point that we have squandered our picks big time.

Our value has come far more from our 'bargain' trading and it's not unfair to say our late picks (S Fisher, Gwilt, Geary, Eddy, C Jones, Allan, etc) have done as much as our early picks.

You want to know where those 'six or seven' players we needed should have come from? From the first two rounds of the draft.

Quite frankly, our recruiting has been questionable at best and trading impressive at worst.

I think we can strike a balance of trading picks for proven talent (our first two picks this year will be in the order of 11/12 and 27/28 - you'd be crazy not to offer this for Kerr), whilst I am confident we can ship off enough dead wood to bring through some players from late in the draft and off the rookie list.

As usual Everton, you are spot on!!! We tried the kids....so far bubkas! A combination circa 2000 with hamil and g train is the way to go...

[WayneJudson42]

Err, we tried the kids - a lot of them aren't up to it.

So, what's the solution? Bring in a combination of proven players who can fill legitimate holes at under the market rate while bringing in other youngsters.

You can do both. It is possible.

It's not like Kerr is 29-31 (Cousins is, but he is costs nothing - so it's a no-brainer); and worth more than every first round pick we've had combined since...well, Goddard in 2002?

We have been crap at recruiting since we jumped off the bottom of the table.

We've added important depth in trading because our recruiting has been diabolical. Howard, Clarke, Armitage, Ferguson, Gilbert, McQualter, McEvoy - who of those first two round draft picks have added something to our list? Granted, McEvoy looks like he will, but you still must appreciate the point that we have squandered our picks big time.

Our value has come far more from our 'bargain' trading and it's not unfair to say our late picks (S Fisher, Gwilt, Geary, Eddy, C Jones, Allan, etc) have done as much as our early picks.

You want to know where those 'six or seven' players we needed should have come from? From the first two rounds of the draft.

Quite frankly, our recruiting has been questionable at best and trading impressive at worst.

I think we can strike a balance of trading picks for proven talent (our first two picks this year will be in the order of 11/12 and 27/28 - you'd be crazy not to offer this for Kerr), whilst I am confident we can ship off enough dead wood to bring through some players from late in the draft and off the rookie list.

As usual Everton, you are spot on!!! We tried the kids....so far bubkas! A combination circa 2000 with hamil and g train is the way to go...

I am unashamedly sitting on this side of the equation. We have lost quite a bit of seniors over the last few years, and with the loss of Harves, G, and possibly Max, u need some experience to help the youngies develop.

Otherwise you go for a toal rebuild and waste the careers o fthe stars you currently have. Not an option AFAIAC.

[evertonfc]

Make no mistake, you always need kids. Always. I was a big believer in going with kids last year and this year and I'm glad we've had a good look at what we actually have.

But this is a year where the trading will be frentic and there are bargains to be found - of this I have no doubt. We'd be foolish not to capitalise.

Throw Kerr into our line-up, a fit Maguire, Baker, Ball and (I-realise-what's-needed-to-succeed) Armitage for 2009, and we're looking a lot better. Add Cousins and Boyle, and we're right in the mix.

Delist and trade away those who can't contribute, and replenish those stocks with youth.

[rodgerfox]

Funny, but the discussion in this thread is precisely what I was flamed for suggesting last week.

The 'top 4' finish shouldn't over inflate where we're at.

Regardless of where we finish, there are many areas which need to be addressed.

Many of which are being discussed here.

[evertonfc]

Funny, but the discussion in this thread is precisely what I was flamed for suggesting last week.

The 'top 4' finish shouldn't over inflate where we're at.

Regardless of where we finish, there are many areas which need to be addressed.

Many of which are being discussed here.

You had it spot on and were flamed for getting it right?

Sounds about right for this place.

[markp]

Funny, but the discussion in this thread is precisely what I was flamed for suggesting last week.

The 'top 4' finish shouldn't over inflate where we're at.

Regardless of where we finish, there are many areas which need to be addressed.

Many of which are being discussed here.

You were flamed for suggesting we make a serious play for Kerr?

Acknowledging the achievement of a top 4 finish does not mean denying the reality that we are miles away from geelong.

Areas that need addressing regardless of where we finish??... Visionary.

[saintsRrising]

Funny, but the discussion in this thread is precisely what I was flamed for suggesting last week.

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Now that is funny...and you are not being precise at all!!!

The bit I think most posters took exception to was:

We had a poor year.

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Top 4 finish is not normally regarded as poor.


Now the discussion in this thread apart from Kerr is how you might get to win a flag.

[WinnersOnly]

Trade Xav CLARKE & 2nd pick for KERR that should keep them happy..