The Fox Report - 11/8/08

[rodgerfox]

Well, we are what we are.


A very, very ordinary football side.

The most poorly coached team in the comp.


As I said (yes, I told you so) we have been set back 5 years thanks to our previous admin.
The only part I may be wrong about - is that it could well be longer than 5 years.

We have to rebuild this side. The recruiting we've done since Lyon took over is horrific. We've topped up with average footballers, and are playing 'kids' with no future in a top side.

I'm very concerned that not only is Lyon unable to coach a team on game day, but is also unable to teach guys how to play football.

Can we afford to have him take the axe to our list? Can we afford to draft talented players, only to have them go backwards as players like everyone else on our list?


Some very big calls need to be made. Calls which frankly, could decide whether or not we remain St.Kilda - or someone else.

It's a factual that it's only a matter of time before a Melbourne club or two disappears. Right now, I'd say we're the most vunerable.

Don't kid yourselves. We prospered off-field during the 2003-2007 period because we were winning. We had a swagger on-field that was adopted by our supporters.

We're in trouble on-field. And that will spell serious trouble off it. We simply can't afford 3-4 years at the bottom of the ladder - which is exactly what will happen if something isn't done.

That's all from the Fox Report this week. There's nothing else to say. We're gone. Cactus.

We are what we are.


How we got there is a sad story that will go down as the lowest point in the club's history. We were good. We were proud. We had swagger, and we had respect. We were winners.

We're not now. We're a faceless, spiritless entity that doesn't appear to represent anything.

We need the spirit back. Perhaps having en 'ego' is exactly what we need at this club?

An 'ego' who is driven by his club winning footy matches. I am always staggered that the ignorant talk about egos at footy clubs as a problem. Ever been involved at a footy club? The best players, the best leaders, the winners, have one thing in common - their egos. Some drift into arrogance. Some find that perfect balance between arrogance and extreme confidence in their ability. It's irrelevant though - if it is fed by the club winning games then there is no problem.

If it is fed by the club's bank balance, then you're up the shiit.


The best thing about this club right now is that our President doesn't want the limelight. He doesn't need to feed his ego. He doesn't feel the need to 'be the club'. 'The club' is what happens on field. That's where the pride comes from.

The worst thing about the club at the moment, is that there is noone from the 'on-field' department doing anything close to generating some pride. Some spirit. Some belief.

Roo has led well this year. But it needs to come from the coach.

[bigred]

It's a factual that it's only a matter of time before a Melbourne club or two disappears. Right now, I'd say we're the most vunerable.

Far, far from it.

[markp]

You've been very quiet lately flog... you're obviously relishing this. Pr1ck.

[rodgerfox]

You've been very quiet lately flog... you're obviously relishing this. Pr1ck.

Yeah, I think it's wonderful that we've gone from being an exciting club, winning finals and drawing huge crowds to a limp, pathetic excuse for a football team within the space of 18 months.

Yeah, it's great. I'm stoked.

[Buckets]

Rodger
Why is it that when we win your Fox Reports are very small but when we lose you feel the need to write a thesis on the problems of the Saints?
If you feel so strongly that the current coaching group is taking us backwards so fast then go down to the club and offer your services!
GT and RB are GONE it is time to look forward with what we have got not look back on what we had!!!!!

[markp]

Rodger
Why is it that when we win your Fox Reports are very small but when we lose you feel the need to write a thesis on the problems of the Saints?

Because when we lose he gets to run his agenda, scream "I told you!", kick us while we're down, and generally get off on being a flog and a pr1ck.... (which is a very handy combo when you think about it).

If you feel so strongly that the current coaching group is taking us backwards so fast then go down to the club and offer your services!

Do you think they could use a hairy palmed shyte stirrer down there?

GT and RB are GONE it is time to look forward with what we have got not look back on what we had!!!!!

Rodge has too firm a grip on it to ever let go....... maybe he could be a tackle coach?!

[rodgerfox]

GT and RB are GONE it is time to look forward with what we have got not look back on what we had!!!!!

At what point does my post suggest I'm thinking in the past?

It's talking about now, and that action needs to happen.

In taking that action, we need to understand our recent past and where we went wrong.

There's a saying about not looking in your rear view mirror when driving. It's the most moronic saying going around.

You focus on what's in front of you, but you need to be very aware of what is behind you also.

That's why cars have rear view mirrors, and why libraries are full of history books.

[rodgerfox]

Rodger
Why is it that when we win your Fox Reports are very small but when we lose you feel the need to write a thesis on the problems of the Saints?

And I don't actually think that's true. Only the past couple of weeks have The Fox Report's been short. During our 'month' that were quite long.

[rodgerfox]

Rodger
Why is it that when we win your Fox Reports are very small but when we lose you feel the need to write a thesis on the problems of the Saints?

Because when we lose he gets to run his agenda, scream "I told you!", kick us while we're down, and generally get off on being a flog and a pr1ck.... (which is a very handy combo when you think about it).

If you feel so strongly that the current coaching group is taking us backwards so fast then go down to the club and offer your services!

Do you think they could use a hairy palmed shyte stirrer down there?

GT and RB are GONE it is time to look forward with what we have got not look back on what we had!!!!!

Rodge has too firm a grip on it to ever let go....... maybe he could be a tackle coach?!

If you want to talk about me again MarkP, maybe start up an entirely new thread dedicated solely to me.

Please leave this one alone unless you have a specific comment to add about the topic.


Thanks.

[bigred]

Sorry Roger,

Its a flog of a post.

Self gratifying, anti-Lyon agenda.

Nothing more than a sook.

It's a factual that it's only a matter of time before a Melbourne club or two disappears. Right now, I'd say we're the most vunerable.

And that is just absolute horse apples. Seriously.

How we got there is a sad story that will go down as the lowest point in the club's history

Oh please. Get over yourself. Sure it was a freakin terrible loss, but lets get some perspective....4 spoons in a row in the eighties fade into insignificance?
PAHLEASE!

Roo has led well this year

Mate, you should have left it at that. Everything else is pure twaddle...

Your better than that.

[markp]

Rodger
Why is it that when we win your Fox Reports are very small but when we lose you feel the need to write a thesis on the problems of the Saints?

Because when we lose he gets to run his agenda, scream "I told you!", kick us while we're down, and generally get off on being a flog and a pr1ck.... (which is a very handy combo when you think about it).

If you feel so strongly that the current coaching group is taking us backwards so fast then go down to the club and offer your services!

Do you think they could use a hairy palmed shyte stirrer down there?

GT and RB are GONE it is time to look forward with what we have got not look back on what we had!!!!!

Rodge has too firm a grip on it to ever let go....... maybe he could be a tackle coach?!

If you want to talk about me again MarkP, maybe start up an entirely new thread dedicated solely to me.

Please leave this one alone unless you have a specific comment to add about the topic.


Thanks.

No, I wont.

Thanks.

[rodgerfox]

Sorry Roger,

Its a flog of a post.

Self gratifying, anti-Lyon agenda.

Nothing more than a sook.

It's a factual that it's only a matter of time before a Melbourne club or two disappears. Right now, I'd say we're the most vunerable.

And that is just absolute horse apples. Seriously.

How we got there is a sad story that will go down as the lowest point in the club's history

Oh please. Get over yourself. Sure it was a freakin terrible loss, but lets get some perspective....4 spoons in a row in the eighties fade into insignificance?
PAHLEASE!

Roo has led well this year

Mate, you should have left it at that. Everything else is pure twaddle...

Your better than that.

Why is it an agenda?

I don't think Lyon is a good coach. I think he's bordering on terrible. I think he seems like a nice guy, and possibly a very good assistant coach.

It's no agenda. It's my opinion. Simple as that.


As for this.....

"It's a factual that it's only a matter of time before a Melbourne club or two disappears. Right now, I'd say we're the most vunerable.

And that is just absolute horse apples. Seriously."


There is no way known, that all the current Vic clubs will continue to exist. We have just come out of our most successful 'era' in a decade, and even longer before that. Yet we are near the bottom of Vic clubs in the membership tally.

How do you think we'll go in that regard after this year? And then after that?

Without going into huge debate about the financial viability of the Melbourne clubs - we're rooted.


This post is not about just the loss on Saturday. It's about where we're at.

We stumbled across Port. They then got 2 of their best players back and got rolled by 10 goals.

We have played 1 good month of football in 2 years. Our talent has nearly got us into the 8.

As a team, we have been simply pathetic.


To those who don't like hearing that, well my only advice is to ignore my posts. Because we are going to get far worse before we get any better.


We were on the verge of something. We had finally fought our way out of the mire of ineptitude. We blew it.

This is why our current situation is so sad. We didn't blow becuase we weren't good enough. We blew it for the wrong reasons. People hijacked our club and ruined it.


We need to embrace who we are. We are fighters. Battlers. We started as junior club over 100 years ago, and still ive to tell the tale. It took years of beltings but we're still here.

We need people running the club who embrace who we are. Who stick up for us. People who stand up to those who kick us down.

Nathan Burke and Danny Frawley need to get involved. On-field.

Tony Locket needs to get involved.


We need change now. We really do. Not change for the sake of it. Not panic change like we did 2 years ago.

Change with a plan. Change with a view for something other than 'everyone else is doing it'.

[Mr Magic]

If you want to talk about me again MarkP, maybe start up an entirely new thread dedicated solely to me.

WHat a great idea

What title could we give it?

I know,
let's call it..................

THE FOX REPORT!

[rodgerfox]

If you want to talk about me again MarkP, maybe start up an entirely new thread dedicated solely to me.

WHat a great idea

What title could we give it?

I know,
let's call it..................

THE FOX REPORT!

That's already taken - and it is not about me at all. So it wouldn't really suit it's purpose.

[Spinner]

Well, we are what we are.


A very, very ordinary football side.

The most poorly coached team in the comp.


As I said (yes, I told you so) we have been set back 5 years thanks to our previous admin.
The only part I may be wrong about - is that it could well be longer than 5 years.

We have to rebuild this side. The recruiting we've done since Lyon took over is horrific. We've topped up with average footballers, and are playing 'kids' with no future in a top side.

I'm very concerned that not only is Lyon unable to coach a team on game day, but is also unable to teach guys how to play football.

Can we afford to have him take the axe to our list? Can we afford to draft talented players, only to have them go backwards as players like everyone else on our list?


Some very big calls need to be made. Calls which frankly, could decide whether or not we remain St.Kilda - or someone else.

It's a factual that it's only a matter of time before a Melbourne club or two disappears. Right now, I'd say we're the most vunerable.

Don't kid yourselves. We prospered off-field during the 2003-2007 period because we were winning. We had a swagger on-field that was adopted by our supporters.

We're in trouble on-field. And that will spell serious trouble off it. We simply can't afford 3-4 years at the bottom of the ladder - which is exactly what will happen if something isn't done.

That's all from the Fox Report this week. There's nothing else to say. We're gone. Cactus.

We are what we are.


How we got there is a sad story that will go down as the lowest point in the club's history. We were good. We were proud. We had swagger, and we had respect. We were winners.

We're not now. We're a faceless, spiritless entity that doesn't appear to represent anything.

We need the spirit back. Perhaps having en 'ego' is exactly what we need at this club?

An 'ego' who is driven by his club winning footy matches. I am always staggered that the ignorant talk about egos at footy clubs as a problem. Ever been involved at a footy club? The best players, the best leaders, the winners, have one thing in common - their egos. Some drift into arrogance. Some find that perfect balance between arrogance and extreme confidence in their ability. It's irrelevant though - if it is fed by the club winning games then there is no problem.

If it is fed by the club's bank balance, then you're up the shiit.


The best thing about this club right now is that our President doesn't want the limelight. He doesn't need to feed his ego. He doesn't feel the need to 'be the club'. 'The club' is what happens on field. That's where the pride comes from.

The worst thing about the club at the moment, is that there is noone from the 'on-field' department doing anything close to generating some pride. Some spirit. Some belief.

Roo has led well this year. But it needs to come from the coach.

I agree in a lot of this.....

We have played terrible football in most matches this year. Winning by the smallest of margins or coming from behind after a terrible start to the match.

The only aspect I disagree with is that the change needed to happen regarding the previous coaching panel.

But everything else, well....its defiantly swaying towards what your saying.

[markp]

This post is not about just the loss on Saturday. It's about where we're at.

This post is about you and GT bathing each other in a jacuzzi and listening to some Barry White while quaffing Spumante...... it's a foxy-flog-fest-fantasy.

[rodgerfox]

This post is not about just the loss on Saturday. It's about where we're at.

This post is about you and GT bathing each other in a jacuzzi and listening to some Barry White while quaffing Spumante...... it's a foxy-flog-fest-fantasy.

Considering there is no mention of GT in this thread by me - I'm confused as to why you would draw that conclusion?

[markp]

This post is not about just the loss on Saturday. It's about where we're at.

This post is about you and GT bathing each other in a jacuzzi and listening to some Barry White while quaffing Spumante...... it's a foxy-flog-fest-fantasy.

Considering there is no mention of GT in this thread by me - I'm confused as to why you would draw that conclusion?

Yes, I'm sure you are most genuinely and dreadfully perplexed. *cough/bump*

[rodgerfox]

This post is not about just the loss on Saturday. It's about where we're at.

This post is about you and GT bathing each other in a jacuzzi and listening to some Barry White while quaffing Spumante...... it's a foxy-flog-fest-fantasy.

Considering there is no mention of GT in this thread by me - I'm confused as to why you would draw that conclusion?

Yes, I'm sure you are most genuinely and dreadfully perplexed. *cough/bump*

I am.

Maybe re-read the thread.

Has nothing to do with Thomas whatsoever.


I'm amazed that people are content to argue about how bad GT was as opposed to seriously looking at where we're at now.

We're a joke. And will get far worse.

GT's gone. It's about now, and what we do about it.

[markp]

This post is not about just the loss on Saturday. It's about where we're at.

This post is about you and GT bathing each other in a jacuzzi and listening to some Barry White while quaffing Spumante...... it's a foxy-flog-fest-fantasy.

Considering there is no mention of GT in this thread by me - I'm confused as to why you would draw that conclusion?

Yes, I'm sure you are most genuinely and dreadfully perplexed. *cough/bump*

I am.

Maybe re-read the thread.

Has nothing to do with Thomas whatsoever.


I'm amazed that people are content to argue about how bad GT was as opposed to seriously looking at where we're at now.

We're a joke. And will get far worse.

GT's gone. It's about now, and what we do about it.

We butchered the ball all night and several players looked disinterested... but we still only lost by 14 points to a team that had to win (and yes, were more fair dinkum on the night)... I'm totally gutted, but it's not time for the lynch mob yet.

I'm not going to highlight your references to the GT-era in your post... you feign ignorance as badly as Eddy the flog.

[rodgerfox]

We butchered the ball all night and several players looked disinterested... but we still only lost by 14 points to a team that had to win (and yes, were more fair dinkum on the night)... I'm totally gutted, but it's not time for the lynch mob yet.

That was Saturday.

What about the previous 18 months?

What do you think our prospects are for the next 18 months? And what are you basing that on?

[Red]

Rodger - when Blake was shifted into the ruck against both Hawthorn and

Port you would have to say that was a great move.

I too believe you may be living in the past. We lack certain types of players

on each line. Until we get those players we are going to be vulnerable.

[rodgerfox]

Rodger - when Blake was shifted into the ruck against both Hawthorn and

Port you would have to say that was a great move.

I too believe you may be living in the past. We lack certain types of players

on each line. Until we get those players we are going to be vulnerable.

Great moves??

Are you serious? Blake has played in the ruck for most of his career.

And I'd say we're more than 'vunerable'.

[markp]

We butchered the ball all night and several players looked disinterested... but we still only lost by 14 points to a team that had to win (and yes, were more fair dinkum on the night)... I'm totally gutted, but it's not time for the lynch mob yet.

That was Saturday.

What about the previous 18 months?

What do you think our prospects are for the next 18 months? And what are you basing that on?

I've said all along they seem to have a serious cohesion and motivation problem down there... they can turn it on when they 'decide' to, and can beat the best; that's the players, coaching staff and the game-plan can match and beat the best (or 2nd best at least)...

We don't freakin know what the problem is, we only know only that it needs sorting out... Is there conflict down there? Do some high profile soft c***s need to be traded? New coaching staff required?.... the board (you would hope) are best placed to review, asses and act on all this. If it can indeed be sorted out quickly we may be a force, if it cant we are screwed.

But all your surmising and revisionism is just like someone writing a travel guide or history to a country they've never visited.

Your type of attitude and vitriol permeates and poisons the air like a disease.

[rodgerfox]

But all your surmising and revisionism is just like someone writing a travel guide or history to a country they've never visited.

Or perhaps like someone writing on a footy forum? God forbid.