Need help re an arguement

[perfectionist]

when did we receive handouts?

Move to the Dome.

[sax]

We have 16 FIRST ROUND draft picks on our list at the moment.
From what I understand this IS more than any other club.
They are (alphabetical order)

David Armitage, 2006 1st Rd, no. 9 overall, StK
Luke Ball, 2001 1st Rd (Priority), no. 2 overall, StK
Raphael Clarke, 2003 1st Rd, no. 8 overall, StK
Xavier Clarke, 2001 1st Rd, no. 5 overall, StK
Nick Dal Santo, 2001 1st Rd, no. 13 overall, StK
Aaron Fiora, 1999 1st Rd, No. 3 overall, Rich
Michael Gardiner, 1996 1st Rd (comp), no. 1 overall, WCE
Fraser Gehrig, 1993 1st Rd, no. 16 overall, WCE
Brendan Goddard, 2002 1st Rd, no. 1 overall, StK
Jason Gram, 2001 1st Rd, no. 19 overall, Bris
Lenny Hayes, 1998 1st Rd, no.11 overall, StK
Max Hudghton, 1996 1st Rd, no. 15 overall, StK
Justin Koschitzke, 2000 1st Rd, no. 2 overall, StK
Ben McEvoy, 2007 1st Rd, no. 9 overall, StK
Andrew McQualtar, 2004 1st Rd, no. 17 overall, StK
Nick Riewoldt, 2000 1st Rd (Priority), no. 1 overall, StK

[Solar]

when did we receive handouts?

Move to the Dome.

you get forced to move to another stadium, AFL underwrite your membership...

better word for it is compo....

kanga's don't get a handout, they get an equalisation payment for the crap draw that gets bought out each year.

Carlton and interest free loans on the other hand................

[Mr Magic]

We have 16 FIRST ROUND draft picks on our list at the moment.
From what I understand this IS more than any other club.
They are (alphabetical order)

David Armitage, 2006 1st Rd, no. 9 overall, StK
Luke Ball, 2001 1st Rd (Priority), no. 2 overall, StK
Raphael Clarke, 2003 1st Rd, no. 8 overall, StK
Xavier Clarke, 2001 1st Rd, no. 5 overall, StK
Nick Dal Santo, 2001 1st Rd, no. 13 overall, StK
Aaron Fiora, 1999 1st Rd, No. 3 overall, Rich
Michael Gardiner, 1996 1st Rd (comp), no. 1 overall, WCE
Fraser Gehrig, 1993 1st Rd, no. 16 overall, WCE
Brendan Goddard, 2002 1st Rd, no. 1 overall, StK
Jason Gram, 2001 1st Rd, no. 19 overall, Bris
Lenny Hayes, 1998 1st Rd, no.11 overall, StK
Max Hudghton, 1996 1st Rd, no. 15 overall, StK
Justin Koschitzke, 2000 1st Rd, no. 2 overall, StK
Ben McEvoy, 2007 1st Rd, no. 9 overall, StK
Andrew McQualtar, 2004 1st Rd, no. 17 overall, StK
Nick Riewoldt, 2000 1st Rd (Priority), no. 1 overall, StK

5 of your list were prior to the OP's original timeframe.
4 on the list were as a result of our trading - not us using earned first round draft picks.

If I read teh OP's original question correctly the argument was as to which club Saints/Kangas had had more first round draft picks since 2000.
Obvioulsy you can 'spin' the question into whichever way suits your pov.

On face value it would appear that NM have had more 'first round draft picks' - earned or traded for.

[Con Gorozidis]

We have 16 FIRST ROUND draft picks on our list at the moment.
From what I understand this IS more than any other club.
They are (alphabetical order)

David Armitage, 2006 1st Rd, no. 9 overall, StK
Luke Ball, 2001 1st Rd (Priority), no. 2 overall, StK
Raphael Clarke, 2003 1st Rd, no. 8 overall, StK
Xavier Clarke, 2001 1st Rd, no. 5 overall, StK
Nick Dal Santo, 2001 1st Rd, no. 13 overall, StK
Aaron Fiora, 1999 1st Rd, No. 3 overall, Rich
Michael Gardiner, 1996 1st Rd (comp), no. 1 overall, WCE
Fraser Gehrig, 1993 1st Rd, no. 16 overall, WCE
Brendan Goddard, 2002 1st Rd, no. 1 overall, StK
Jason Gram, 2001 1st Rd, no. 19 overall, Bris
Lenny Hayes, 1998 1st Rd, no.11 overall, StK
Max Hudghton, 1996 1st Rd, no. 15 overall, StK
Justin Koschitzke, 2000 1st Rd, no. 2 overall, StK
Ben McEvoy, 2007 1st Rd, no. 9 overall, StK
Andrew McQualtar, 2004 1st Rd, no. 17 overall, StK
Nick Riewoldt, 2000 1st Rd (Priority), no. 1 overall, StK

cant count gehrig, fiora, gardner. so we have 13.

[sax]

We have 16 FIRST ROUND draft picks on our list at the moment.
From what I understand this IS more than any other club.
They are (alphabetical order)

David Armitage, 2006 1st Rd, no. 9 overall, StK
Luke Ball, 2001 1st Rd (Priority), no. 2 overall, StK
Raphael Clarke, 2003 1st Rd, no. 8 overall, StK
Xavier Clarke, 2001 1st Rd, no. 5 overall, StK
Nick Dal Santo, 2001 1st Rd, no. 13 overall, StK
Aaron Fiora, 1999 1st Rd, No. 3 overall, Rich
Michael Gardiner, 1996 1st Rd (comp), no. 1 overall, WCE
Fraser Gehrig, 1993 1st Rd, no. 16 overall, WCE
Brendan Goddard, 2002 1st Rd, no. 1 overall, StK
Jason Gram, 2001 1st Rd, no. 19 overall, Bris
Lenny Hayes, 1998 1st Rd, no.11 overall, StK
Max Hudghton, 1996 1st Rd, no. 15 overall, StK
Justin Koschitzke, 2000 1st Rd, no. 2 overall, StK
Ben McEvoy, 2007 1st Rd, no. 9 overall, StK
Andrew McQualtar, 2004 1st Rd, no. 17 overall, StK
Nick Riewoldt, 2000 1st Rd (Priority), no. 1 overall, StK

cant count gehrig, fiora, gardner. so we have 13.

Rubbish! The argument was that we have more FIRST ROUND picks than any other club, they are first round picks.
We have to count them!!
What's the reason we can't?
As far as I'm concerned we have 16 first round picks onour list (11 since 2000, if that's his argument), Our list has more "1st round" drafted players on it than any other club!

[Dan Warna]

when did we receive handouts?

Move to the Dome.

that wasn't a handout.

that was compensation for us to break an existing contract and to secure us as a tennant at TD.

[rodgerfox]

Seeing as every club gets a 1st Rd pick each year, wouldn't having the most on your list be considered good list management?

[Otiman]

The idea here was that we picked some players who were promising juniors, but failed to deliver on their expectations at other clubs. Therefore we take a gamble on the fact that they might have just not been dealt with properly and could be turned around to reflect their junior form.

Fiora showed signs but ultimately failed. M. Gardiner is a good'un.

[sax]

Seeing as every club gets a 1st Rd pick each year, wouldn't having the most on your list be considered good list management?

If we were travelling well? Yes!