Lyon the Tactician Vs. Eade the Tactician

[rodgerfox]

When Lyon was hired, it seemed he was respected for his footy nous and tactical understanding of the game.

This was seen at the time to be a major factor in our favour as the incumbent coach was a dill when it came to on-field issues.

This week, we come up against the Dogs. Who, are coached by another considered to be somewhat of a tactical guru (although oddly his tactics don't work when his good players are missing).

So, who will win out?

Will we finally get to see Lyon's tactical brilliance after 18 months in the gig? Will a game be decided from the coaches box in our favour?


Thoughs?

[meher baba]

Well, Eade has outcoached Lyon comprehensively in the last two games that we played against the Dogs: particularly the one earlier this season, in which Eade substantially adjusted his setup after quarter time and I do not recall Lyon making one significant move to counter those changes.

FWIW, I heard Matthew Drain being interviewed on some radio station or other a few weeks ago and he stated that Lyon was absolutely brilliant at training the players and preparing them to execute particular roles in a game. He then went on to say, and I quote precisely "(pregnant pause)...he is also good on match days".

The point I'm making is that it would seem that Lyon's claim to fame is apparently not so much as a match day tactician as it is as a precision crafter of individual players to play certain roles according to a match plan.

Of course, this doesn't explain why he uses players such as Brendon Goddard and Kosi in such daft ways, but that's a discussion for another time.

[Otiman]

Understanding vs Execution.

The latter can only come with experience.

[Saints Premiers 2008]

eade is a joke who has done nothing as a coach and survives on reputation alone

[perfectionist]

The only time I can recall Grant Thomas using surprising tactics was against the Bulldogs in 2006. At the time, early in the season from memory, their pace was a factor. We smothered them. Eade seemed perplexed - this coming from Thomas! We won rather easily in the end.

I doubt that Eade will be surprised on Sunday, but you never know. I saw his reaction in the last quarter against the Kangas and it was " Well, they are running over us, I can't do anything." Yet, they could have won the game on the last kick, thanks to a stupid error from a Roo backman in kicking the ball out on the full and handing it to the Dogs.

Footscray is stronger in all respects now than in 2006, not only in personel but physically. They are physically stronger than us. Gee how times change! How come no one at Moorabbin has discovered the magic muscle potion that seems to make its way around other clubs (especially in premiership years)?

Had Murphy played, we would have been smashed on Sunday. Now, it will be a regulation loss - you know the script - we outplay the opposition in the first quarter but kick 4 goals 7 behinds to their 5 straight. From then on, they get further and further in front. Everyone looks disappointed at the end.

What questions would I ask Ross? Only one. What in the hell are you doing about the kicking for goal?

[saint66au]

The only time I can recall Grant Thomas using surprising tactics was against the Bulldogs in 2006. At the time, early in the season from memory, their pace was a factor. We smothered them. Eade seemed perplexed - this coming from Thomas! We won rather easily in the end.

Starting Lenny on the pine in 2004 v the Doggies surprised me

[rodgerfox]

The only time I can recall Grant Thomas using surprising tactics was against the Bulldogs in 2006. At the time, early in the season from memory, their pace was a factor. We smothered them. Eade seemed perplexed - this coming from Thomas! We won rather easily in the end.

Starting Lenny on the pine in 2004 v the Doggies surprised me

We were in front at Quarter time though.

[meher baba]

The only time I can recall Grant Thomas using surprising tactics was against the Bulldogs in 2006. At the time, early in the season from memory, their pace was a factor. We smothered them. Eade seemed perplexed - this coming from Thomas! We won rather easily in the end.

Starting Lenny on the pine in 2004 v the Doggies surprised me

We were in front at Quarter time though.

Well, ok, but I think starting Lenny on the bench was symptomatic of an attitude of "we've got this in the bag" which brought us undone in that game.

Hardly one of GT's greatest moments.

[midas_touch]

Eade is perhaps the most overrated coach in the competition. Roos and Malthouse are far more superior.

[rodgerfox]

The only time I can recall Grant Thomas using surprising tactics was against the Bulldogs in 2006. At the time, early in the season from memory, their pace was a factor. We smothered them. Eade seemed perplexed - this coming from Thomas! We won rather easily in the end.

Starting Lenny on the pine in 2004 v the Doggies surprised me

We were in front at Quarter time though.

Well, ok, but I think starting Lenny on the bench was symptomatic of an attitude of "we've got this in the bag" which brought us undone in that game.

Hardly one of GT's greatest moments.

Aussie played forward of the centre that day, with X playing off the HBF too, which drew great criticism.

Dal started in the guts whilst Lenny started on the bench.


It was seen as a chance with us being 10-1, to develop some depth. To not be reliant on key players in key positions.

[Mr Magic]

IIRC, at the time there was some speculation that in fact GT was 'punishing' Lenny for a sub-standard performance the week before against Sydney. DId GT publicly admonish Lenny at that time?

It's only my recollection of events from 4 years ago so I don't have facts to prove this recollection of mine
Maybe others will remember that time and be able to confirm/deny my recollections?

[yipper]

I seem to recall Lenny sitting out the entire 1st Q actually - and the coach was widely criticised for showing our opponents no respect!!

[JeffDunne]

It became an issue because the Bulldogs made it an issue.

I can't believe it's till being debated TBH.

[yipper]

It became an issue because the Bulldogs made it an issue.

I can't believe it's till being debated TBH.

Didn't think it was still an issue now - and yep, correct the Doggies really blew up on it. They won the game and then claimed they were inspired by the lack of respect afforded to them when we left our best midfielder sitting on the pine!! Wasn't one of GT's better weeks in hindsight!!

[rodgerfox]

Apparently they took the team sheet which showed Lenny starting on the bench into the Dogs rooms and made a big deal about it prior to the match. It really fired them up, they say.

So, the fact we led at Q time and half time is a bit of a mystery really.

The motiviation must have taken about an hour to kick in I suppose!

[yipper]

Apparently they took the team sheet which showed Lenny starting on the bench into the Dogs rooms and made a big deal about it prior to the match. It really fired them up, they say.

So, the fact we led at Q time and half time is a bit of a mystery really.

The motiviation must have taken about an hour to kick in I suppose!

Against a Doggies team that won just 5 games that season!! It motivated them enough to knock off the top side at the time!! So, I still reckon GT would handle all that a tad differently if he had his time over again. Clearly sent a msg that he did not rate the Doggies with that ploy. Anyways, who cares!! It 's history.

[mightysainters]

Eade is perhaps the most overrated coach in the competition. Roos and Malthouse are far more superior.

Malthouse? are you kidding you name eade as overrated but name malthouse as better? pffft malthouse continually was playing hacks until this year because people had, had enough...

[st_Trav_ofWA]

i cant see how naming abloke to start on the bench could motivate the other team and if thats what happened then there seriously has to be questions asked as why it take somthing silly like that to fire up the team

[Hard at it]

When Lyon was hired, it seemed he was respected for his footy nous and tactical understanding of the game.

This was seen at the time to be a major factor in our favour as the incumbent coach was a dill when it came to on-field issues.

This week, we come up against the Dogs. Who, are coached by another considered to be somewhat of a tactical guru (although oddly his tactics don't work when his good players are missing).

So, who will win out?

Will we finally get to see Lyon's tactical brilliance after 18 months in the gig? Will a game be decided from the coaches box in our favour?


Thoughs?

Do you ever give up? Move on, GT is gone

[rodgerfox]

When Lyon was hired, it seemed he was respected for his footy nous and tactical understanding of the game.

This was seen at the time to be a major factor in our favour as the incumbent coach was a dill when it came to on-field issues.

This week, we come up against the Dogs. Who, are coached by another considered to be somewhat of a tactical guru (although oddly his tactics don't work when his good players are missing).

So, who will win out?

Will we finally get to see Lyon's tactical brilliance after 18 months in the gig? Will a game be decided from the coaches box in our favour?


Thoughs?

Do you ever give up? Move on, GT is gone

GT?

He's gone. I've moved on.

[Hard at it]

When Lyon was hired, it seemed he was respected for his footy nous and tactical understanding of the game.

This was seen at the time to be a major factor in our favour as the incumbent coach was a dill when it came to on-field issues.

This week, we come up against the Dogs. Who, are coached by another considered to be somewhat of a tactical guru (although oddly his tactics don't work when his good players are missing).

So, who will win out?

Will we finally get to see Lyon's tactical brilliance after 18 months in the gig? Will a game be decided from the coaches box in our favour?


Thoughs?

Do you ever give up? Move on, GT is gone

GT?

He's gone. I've moved on.

Goodluck trying to convince yourself. I know, you still get excited about our 2006 8th place finish, when our master tactician was in charge

[yipper]

i cant see how naming abloke to start on the bench could motivate the other team and if thats what happened then there seriously has to be questions asked as why it take somthing silly like that to fire up the team

It does seem incredible - I guess that at AFL level, it's the little things that can make a difference. Hayes is/was our gun midfielder, starting him on the bench was seen as an affront to the Bullies - we didn't need our best players on the ground to win sort of thing!!?? Very arrogant maybe?? Anyways, that 2 week stretch wasn't GT 's best coaching period. He certainly got them back on track quickly after that though!!

[rodgerfox]

When Lyon was hired, it seemed he was respected for his footy nous and tactical understanding of the game.

This was seen at the time to be a major factor in our favour as the incumbent coach was a dill when it came to on-field issues.

This week, we come up against the Dogs. Who, are coached by another considered to be somewhat of a tactical guru (although oddly his tactics don't work when his good players are missing).

So, who will win out?

Will we finally get to see Lyon's tactical brilliance after 18 months in the gig? Will a game be decided from the coaches box in our favour?


Thoughs?

Do you ever give up? Move on, GT is gone

GT?

He's gone. I've moved on.

Goodluck trying to convince yourself. I know, you still get excited about our 2006 8th place finish, when our master tactician was in charge

Why would you bring GT into this?

It's been 2 years.

He's gone.

His relevance is zero to us.

[evertonfc]

eade is a joke who has done nothing as a coach and survives on reputation alone

Slaughtered Ross Lyon for the second time in a few months.

He accepts your apology.

[chook23]

eade is a joke who has done nothing as a coach and survives on reputation alone

Slaughtered Ross Lyon for the second time in a few months.

He accepts your apology.

And the players slaughtered the footy.....