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but you heard a rumor he was gay?? whats it matter?? Maybe thats the same rumor about Aaron Hammil or even Fraser..saintsrokk wrote:mine would be stewart leowe ... but herd a rumor is he gay???
saintsrokk wrote:mine would be stewart leowe ... but herd a rumor is he gay???
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If plugger had played in those Hawthorn sides he would have kicked 200 goals in a season.
nor me. and i don't think leigh matthews, ablett senior, wayne carey or anyone else was in the same class. if i had to pick one guy to win me a match i'd go lockett every time.remboy wrote:I've never seen a player influence more games or win more matches off his own boot than Plugger
We disagree on the present but in terms of past players your analysis exacts mine except you have put it better than I couldMr Magic wrote:You know how we marvel at Harves baulking opponents?
You know how we marvel at him running down the ground bouncing the ball with his left hand?
You somehow need to get hold of video/film of Baldock. He would sidestep/baulk players at will - its why he was nicknamed Mr Magic.
One night at training he ran down the ground bouncing a footy in each hand.
There is a story that when he came back to coach in the late 80's he repeated the feat to ther amazement of the players, including Harves.
It is almost impossible to compare players of different eras with each other. From one era to another the game changes, the players change, the rulse change, the training changes.
Baldock was unbelievable. Opposition supporters used to marvel at what he did on the football field.
Stewart was brilliant.
Ditterich made our players 'walk taller' on the field.
Barker was an enigma - who could believe the stuff he did on teh field?
Plugger was the most intimidating player we had in terms of taking a game by the scruff iof the neck.
Winmar was sublime.
Harvey invented the gut-running game of today.
Any of the above could mount an argument to be in our best 5 players from the 60's onwards.
Who knows what the players who played in our first 70 years were like?
. Ross Smith very unlucky to miss out.Not sure I agree with Lockett as no.1 due to "being in a dud team". Tony received plenty of excellent clear passage from legends like Nicky Winwar. and had a marvellous CHF working as a distraction for much of his time at St. Kilda.Bernard Shakey wrote:Plugger, because he did it week in week out in a dud team. He would have been even better in a better team.
Harvey next, because he just keeps giving and he doesn't know any other way.
Baldock, would have rated him higher if he was around longer.
Stewart, sheer brilliance but jumped ship.
McIntosh, cruelly cut down in his prime.
Ditterich, because I was with East Brighton when he was there and he even frightened the s*** out of his teammates.
[/quote]bassoon wrote:No comparison between McIntosh and McAdam.
McIntosh played only two seasons and finished in the top half dozen players in the Brownlow both years. He did his knee in the 2nd semi final against Hawthorn in 71, and if I remember correctly, never played again.
Absolutely superb big man - more skilled than Big Carl and Mynott, and was probably one of the first mobile big men. Not to mention his pedigree - dad was Merv McIntosh who some scribes have said was the greatest player to come from the west, and his son, Ashley who was a more than useful defender with the Weagles.
Gilbert was a good player, but might not rate in the top 50, let alone top 10.
Other great players I've seen (but not in my top 10) include
Dal
Rooey
Burkey
Maxy
Loewe
Jeff Sarau
Joffa
Barry Breen
Barry Lawrence
Glen Elliott
Bob Murray
and the list goes on.
