G Train meeting now

degruch · Post: # 569696Post **degruch** » Mon 19 May 2008 5:15pm

Agreed...maybe he's looking at stomping on his mistake.

The Peanut · Post: # 569697Post **The Peanut** » Mon 19 May 2008 5:16pm

plugger66 wrote:
It isnt just people on here pointing the finger at him. The one person who counts is to.

... that one person who counts might be right ... or that one person that counts might be singling out a player when it could be his own inadequacies that is causing the goal kicking problem ... if the one who counts is certain that dumping Fraser will help us find those elusive goals, so be it.

battye · Post: # 569701Post **battye** » Mon 19 May 2008 5:22pm

At the worst, Gehrig can be used as a decoy, leaving others with less able defenders.

He camped in the goal square with a small forward near him (as someone else said). It's 50/50 he will mark it, and if he doesn't then there's a 50/50 chance the crumber will gain possession of it.

saintsrus · Post: # 569813Post **saintsrus** » Mon 19 May 2008 6:53pm

After waiting all afternoon it seems no decision has been made

plugger66 · Post: # 569836Post **plugger66** » Mon 19 May 2008 7:55pm

battye wrote:At the worst, Gehrig can be used as a decoy, leaving others with less able defenders.

He camped in the goal square with a small forward near him (as someone else said). It's 50/50 he will mark it, and if he doesn't then there's a 50/50 chance the crumber will gain possession of it.

Camped in the goal square he is a 10% chance to mark it as he doesnt take contested marks.

Iceman234 · Post: # 569840Post **Iceman234** » Mon 19 May 2008 7:59pm

Nine news mentioned the meeting is tomorrow.

saintsrus · Post: # 569925Post **saintsrus** » Mon 19 May 2008 9:14pm

Iceman234 wrote:Nine news mentioned the meeting is tomorrow.

Lmao, Sen had a reporter down there all arvo

saintbrat · Post: # 569937Post **saintbrat** » Mon 19 May 2008 9:30pm

the only meeting today was the regular monday team meeting

esaint66 · Post: # 569945Post **esaint66** » Mon 19 May 2008 9:41pm

saintsrus wrote:
Iceman234 wrote:Nine news mentioned the meeting is tomorrow.
Lmao, Sen had a reporter down there all arvo

Hahahaha

Thats a classic, you'd have thought that if anyone would have known whats going on down at Moorabbin it would be finey (but i spose his show is only starting about now

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WaggaSaint · Mon 19 May 2008 10:13pm

Why fraze leaves the front of goal is beyond me. He's not a runner, but quite often you'll see him up on the wing chasing his opponent. I believe he should stay in front of goal and not chase. At the very least, the defender assigned to him will think twice about running off him, and when a turnover occours, you've got an extremely capable foward who will convert when the ball is returned to him.

Isn't it a golden rule of footy to always have someone in the goalsquare? Fraze has that all over him....

Teflon · Post: # 569987Post **Teflon** » Mon 19 May 2008 10:37pm

SENsaintsational wrote:Which comes back to my original point. Ross should not have picked him up in the draft.

Sure it cost us little in terms of who and what he is...but it was a backwards looking step, not forward thinking.

I worry about that sort of thinking.

Hindsights wonderful isnt it?

I mean amazing how so many "forward thinkers" knew Gehrigs body was gonna implode Rd 8 2008 after appearing to be in reasonable nick coming off pre season?
It was a gamble. Yes its failed. But if Lyon had refused Gehrig many would be calling for his head saying "why didnt he select Fraser....he woulda been awesome out of the goal square with Kosi and Nick beside him.......

I can honestly I thought and was wrong and I wasnt alone...

Saints Premiers 2008 · Mon 19 May 2008 10:47pm

dont write him off until gehrig says it is time...

who knows fairytales can happen

To the top · Tue 20 May 2008 12:13am

A short time ago Collingwood had Davis and Didak as small forwards, played exclusively in the forward line to kick goals.

We could even stick the likes of Baker on either them to keep them quiet, as he could once keep Ablett and the like quiet.

These players have progressed their games to become dangerous OPTIONS around the ground.

In our current predicament, and given the rotations required to enable our premier mid-fielders to still be firing at the business end of games and running lines, we can not afford specialist forwards - such as someone sitting in the goal square waiting for the ball to come - and even there as a decoy!

We need ALL of our players to contribute toward the result of the game for every minute they are on the ground.

We wasted years because Lockett could kick goals (when not suspended) and we still suffer from the same sad syndrome.

And I look at the players who are not evolving with the changing game, a game where, as I observed last year, Hawthorn play with a rolling 8 around the ball at all times - locking and directing the ball into their preferred section of the ground at all times.

Every player has to be able to run - run to put defensive pressure on, run to support positions (including by offering fall back support and by creating forward space by making your opponent accountable for your movement) and run to be an option.

And then clean skills are the absolute requirement.

WE continue to play players who can not perform at the required level.

They may kick 7 goals in one week, and "win" us the game, but the next week they cost us the game with poor disposal and poor disposal decisions.

Poor disposal and poor disposal decisions means a goal at the other end of the ground - even by missing a shot on goal.

That is the modern game and the fact that we hang onto some players from another time is impeding us and impeding any improvement matched against the performances of the opposition.

We have to cut the cloth to match the modern game, a game that has changed dramatically over 2007 and again over 2008.

We have to get the most out of our mid-fielders and support them
- with the conundrum being that we have to rotate them - so we can NOT afford decoy players and specialist forward pocket players.

We may like to think we are strong enough to carry such players (and very strong teams can afford a luxury) but we just ain't that strong - as our position on the ladder testifies.

Time for the Howard's and the Steven's. Kids who have ball skills and who can run - we drafted them because of those credentials and it is time to put the acid on the decisions of the recruiting staff.

And McEvoy, who showed he has the credentials to be more than a decoy.

evertonfc · Post: # 570052Post **evertonfc** » Tue 20 May 2008 12:15am

You deserve a medal for that post.

World class. Spot on in every aspect.

Pleasing to see that some supporters are identifying trends and patters; concerning to see that the coaching staff is falling behind.

Teflon · Post: # 570059Post **Teflon** » Tue 20 May 2008 12:23am

From all reports Howard was recruited for his athletic abilities - Ive not heard anyone say he has impeccables kills ala Goddard?

Your other points are valid - we do carry to many unskilled players.

SENsei · Post: # 570119Post **SENsei** » Tue 20 May 2008 10:08am

Teflon wrote:
SENsaintsational wrote:Which comes back to my original point. Ross should not have picked him up in the draft.

Sure it cost us little in terms of who and what he is...but it was a backwards looking step, not forward thinking.

I worry about that sort of thinking.
Hindsights wonderful isnt it?

I mean amazing how so many "forward thinkers" knew Gehrigs body was gonna implode Rd 8 2008 after appearing to be in reasonable nick coming off pre season?
It was a gamble. Yes its failed. But if Lyon had refused Gehrig many would be calling for his head saying "why didnt he select Fraser....he woulda been awesome out of the goal square with Kosi and Nick beside him.......

I can honestly I thought and was wrong and I wasnt alone...

Hindsight is great, but I'm on record (maybe not here but elsewhere) saying that comebacks rarely work. Player has mentally made a big call. Unless they have age on their side (like Stuart Dew maybe) it's very very hard.

Look at those who have tried and failed:
- Tony Lockett
- Ali
- Carl Lewis
- Michael Jordan

Mentally as well as physically, when your time is up, it's up.

My point is that Ross should've been looking to the future anyway.

SENsei · Post: # 570121Post **SENsei** » Tue 20 May 2008 10:10am

And unfortunately, could Shane Warne be the next?

I hope he actually makes a fist of it. He is a genius and plays a game that can make it easier off three steps and fielding at first slip.

But Jordan, Ali, Lewis & Lockett were also geniuses.

The Peanut · Post: # 570205Post **The Peanut** » Tue 20 May 2008 1:23pm

... Fraser was only out for some of the off-season.

I think his arthritis is the main problem and its well known that arthritis is more of a winter problem - he probably felt fine during the summer months.

ausfatcat · Post: # 570207Post **ausfatcat** » Tue 20 May 2008 1:27pm

He just can't handball properly and his marking overhead now non-exsistant, and even marking on the chest seems to be a strugle and very awkard looking.

SENsei · Post: # 570210Post **SENsei** » Tue 20 May 2008 1:30pm

The Peanut wrote:... Fraser was only out for some of the off-season.

I think his arthritis is the main problem and its well known that arthritis is more of a winter problem - he probably felt fine during the summer months.

Yes, but mentally he had retired and moved overseas for over two months. Mentally he was finished.

saintsrus · Post: # 570223Post **saintsrus** » Tue 20 May 2008 1:44pm

SENsaintsational wrote:
The Peanut wrote:... Fraser was only out for some of the off-season.

I think his arthritis is the main problem and its well known that arthritis is more of a winter problem - he probably felt fine during the summer months.
Yes, but mentally he had retired and moved overseas for over two months. Mentally he was finished.

Clutching at straws there

SENsei · Post: # 570225Post **SENsei** » Tue 20 May 2008 1:46pm

saintsrus wrote:
SENsaintsational wrote:
The Peanut wrote:... Fraser was only out for some of the off-season.

I think his arthritis is the main problem and its well known that arthritis is more of a winter problem - he probably felt fine during the summer months.
Yes, but mentally he had retired and moved overseas for over two months. Mentally he was finished.
Clutching at straws there

Yes his performances and demeanor are proving you right and me wrong.

Don't underestimate the 'checking out' factor. When you move on mentally, you are finished.

Otiman · Post: # 570235Post **Otiman** » Tue 20 May 2008 2:24pm

SENsaintsational wrote:Which comes back to my original point. Ross should not have picked him up in the draft.

Sure it cost us little in terms of who and what he is...but it was a backwards looking step, not forward thinking.

I worry about that sort of thinking.

Would it have been any different if he was offered a contract extension last year?

Aside from being paid 3 or 4 times as much, that is.

BAM! (shhhh) · Tue 20 May 2008 2:25pm

SENsaintsational wrote:
saintsrus wrote:
SENsaintsational wrote:
The Peanut wrote:... Fraser was only out for some of the off-season.

I think his arthritis is the main problem and its well known that arthritis is more of a winter problem - he probably felt fine during the summer months.
Yes, but mentally he had retired and moved overseas for over two months. Mentally he was finished.
Clutching at straws there
Yes his performances and demeanor are proving you right and me wrong.

Don't underestimate the 'checking out' factor. When you move on mentally, you are finished.

While he finished okay last year, he struggles frequently as well... my heart hopes he goes back into the seconds, gets his body right, and can come back firing. He's still a good kick for goal, and we're not overrun in that area.

My head says this was always an optomistic comeback, and hasn't worked out.

Otiman · Post: # 570242Post **Otiman** » Tue 20 May 2008 2:28pm

SENsaintsational wrote:And unfortunately, could Shane Warne be the next?

Have you watched any of his IPL games? Has to be in the top 5 players of the tournament, and from a bowler in Twenty20 that's quite amazing.

*It's not off topic, Warnie is a sainter