FRANKSTON DEAL NOT DONE YET

[casey scorp]

Sounds like the catch cry for Waverley Park all those years ago. I guess it's a good way to keep a reserve free for turning into townhouses in 30 years time.

The decision of the AFL in relation to Waverley Park was motivated purely by money. It abandoned the people of SE Melbourne for a piece of the inner city real estate action by being guaranteed title to Docklands in 30 years.

Casey Fields is somewhat different - it will be the home of a number of local and regional sporting clubs (in fact it already is). Other possibilities keep coming over the horizon.

It will become the Albert Park of the South East (but probably without an international event like the GP ).

[plugger66]

Sounds like the catch cry for Waverley Park all those years ago. I guess it's a good way to keep a reserve free for turning into townhouses in 30 years time.

The decision of the AFL in relation to Waverley Park was motivated purely by money. It abandoned the people of SE Melbourne for a piece of the inner city real estate action by being guaranteed title to Docklands in 30 years.

Casey Fields is somewhat different - it will be the home of a number of local and regional sporting clubs (in fact it already is). Other possibilities keep coming over the horizon.

It will become the Albert Park of the South East (but probably without an international event like the GP ).

Even though it upset alot of people most grounds in any competitions in the world are close to the city due to the corporate doller. Im afraid to say it makes sense to have the ground at docklands than Waverley. Let the lesser comp play in the suburbs.

[barneyboyz]

Casey Fields will be a fantastic facility serving the Casey-Cardina corridor and in 20 years time, when it sits as the major regional sporting facility for SE Melbourne, the Saints just might scratch their heads and wonder how they let the opportunity slip past.

Sounds like the catch cry for Waverley Park all those years ago. I guess it's a good way to keep a reserve free for turning into townhouses in 30 years time.

Yeah, s'pose your right, though to be honest Waverley should never have been built where it was. Casey fields on the other hand, has a rail line 50m. from it's gate, there is over 100 acres of land, a thriving community (as Waverley had), and potential; none of these things, IMO are evident at Frangers (Frankston people, no offense meant, though I can see if it is taken, sorry).

Our catchcry will be nothing like Waverley's, it is not one dimensional.

[casey scorp]

Even though it upset alot of people most grounds in any competitions in the world are close to the city due to the corporate doller. Im afraid to say it makes sense to have the ground at docklands than Waverley. Let the lesser comp play in the suburbs.

I understand the corporate dollar argument, and also recognise that this argument overrides the commitment to the general supporters. The AFL have decided that the greater good of the game is served by subservience to the corporate dollar. And so be it. The AFL manages the game for all stakeholders, and has made the call that for it to be relevant and successful into the future this is the way to go. Supporters can bitch and moan about it, but that is the way it is. I still say they sold us out, but I do understand why.

I agree that lesser comps will play in the suburbs - read VFL. However, there will also be the training and administrative headquarters of national league teams (AFL, NRL, A-league) associated with lesser league home grounds. It will happen in time as training becomes problematic at the elite grounds (it is already unavailable at Telstra Dome, and will be a problem at the new rectangular stadium).

[plugger66]

Even though it upset alot of people most grounds in any competitions in the world are close to the city due to the corporate doller. Im afraid to say it makes sense to have the ground at docklands than Waverley. Let the lesser comp play in the suburbs.

I understand the corporate dollar argument, and also recognise that this argument overrides the commitment to the general supporters. The AFL have decided that the greater good of the game is served by subservience to the corporate dollar. And so be it. The AFL manages the game for all stakeholders, and has made the call that for it to be relevant and successful into the future this is the way to go. Supporters can bitch and moan about it, but that is the way it is. I still say they sold us out, but I do understand why.

I agree that lesser comps will play in the suburbs - read VFL. However, there will also be the training and administrative headquarters of national league teams (AFL, NRL, A-league) associated with lesser league home grounds. It will happen in time as training becomes problematic at the elite grounds (it is already unavailable at Telstra Dome, and will be a problem at the new rectangular stadium).

I agree training should be in the suburbs but not so sure about the administrative side of things. Again I think the corporate side of things suggests that maybe they should be inner city but probably doesnt matter that much.

[casey scorp]

We've just been given the go ahead for getting the plan submissions drawn up for the Frankston project. I can't say anything more....sorry

St Luke, how is the design work going for the new project?

I know there's been a wee conflagration in the meantime, but how are the plans going, and when do you think we'll be able to see them?

[The Peanut]

There are advantages for the club at Frankston but ...

I just can't see how the club is going to pull the move off ... with the pokies ($'s) at Moorabbin and our lease (which I haven't seen) that apparently states we need to do at least some of the training there to honour it - the City of Kingston breathing down our necks i.e. Other planned uses for the playing field and tabling a consultants report that suggests all the buildings should be pulled down.

That's without thinking about the potentially less exposure our sponsors may get by having the press conferences way out of town ...

[GeorgeYoung27]

Local Frankston paper this week reported that the council had approved the sale of the car park to St kilda for $1. All but one councillor voted for the approval but that there were 9 objections to the sale mainly based on heritage grounds.

[saintbrat]

Local Frankston paper this week reported that the council had approved the sale of the car park to St kilda for $1. All but one councillor voted for the approval but that there were 9 objections to the sale mainly based on heritage grounds.

doing better than at Moorabbin already- there were more objections there on the sale and that was on tree grounds,-

[saintbrat]

update from Archie re the buidling and what is going to be built where the old grandstand was.
http://bigpondvideo.com/afl/46425

[MikeSheahan]

So who burned down the grandstand?

[ausfatcat]

So who burned down the grandstand?

didn't mean to

I broken into the stand because the floor was dirty, so I washed it with petrol while smoking. The rest is history.

[casey scorp]

We've just been given the go ahead for getting the plan submissions drawn up for the Frankston project. I can't say anything more....sorry

St Luke, how is the design work going for the new project?

I know there's been a wee conflagration in the meantime, but how are the plans going, and when do you think we'll be able to see them?

St Luke, you gave us the heads up in December. It’s been 2 months since the last query, but still no response.

Carparking, planning issues, the Dolphins requirements, and those damn building costs - they just keep going up don’t they? The days of the $9.25 million project seem like a lifetime ago.

Just maybe, a more considered and deliverable strategy at Casey Fields may have been the go after all.

And it would have been under construction by now!

Still, can you tell us how the plans are going?

[ausfatcat]

yeah I would be interested in getting a update as well

[casey scorp]

There hasn't been an answer from St Luke in over 6 months.

This project had problems from the outset.

Things are running off the rails ....it was only a matter of time.

And just think, only 3 weeks ago the Saints ditched the Scorps and in doing so lost any opportunity to get to Casey Fields.

Woops - edit - it was only 2 weeks ago!!

[plugger66]

There hasn't been an answer from St Luke in over 6 months.

This project had problems from the outset.

Things are running off the rails ....it was only a matter of time.

And just think, only 3 weeks ago the Saints ditched the Scorps and in doing so lost any opportunity to get to Casey Fields.

At least they got that part right in ditching the scorps. Is St Luke in charge of the project as I havent heard that one.

[SAINTLY73]

I think the club is busy enough dealing with the building report debacle and council and MFB demands at Moorabbin to have enough time from Frankston. Millions involved if handled incorrectly. They could always sell up at Frankston and move on if need be.

[casey scorp]

At least they got that part right in ditching the scorps.

I suppose so, if you think that another rushed and poorly thought out decision is the way to go.

Is St Luke in charge of the project as I havent heard that one.

Only going on St Luke’s comments:

We've just been given the go ahead for getting the plan submissions drawn up for the Frankston project. I can't say anything more....sorry

He’s either involved with the project, or pretending to be.

[casey scorp]

Just ask yourself what you thought when you heard last November we were relocating to Frankston Park.

Did you think:

• this is close to the heart of Frankston, where the players and fans can go for a coffee
• the location is right in a vibrant activity centre
• this is in sight of the beach, the players can walk there for recovery and it reintroduces some of the romance of a seaside location
• we’ll get a good working alignment with the Frankston VFL team that we'll share our home with
• those drawings of our new facility look fantastic – we’re entering the 21st century at last, and our players will get the great facilities they deserve
• could this really be true, and be our future home?

If you answered “yesâ€

[plugger66]

[quote="casey scorp"]Just ask yourself what you thought when you heard last November we were relocating to Frankston Park.

Did you think:

• this is close to the heart of Frankston, where the players and fans can go for a coffee
• the location is right in a vibrant activity centre
• this is in sight of the beach, the players can walk there for recovery and it reintroduces some of the romance of a seaside location
• we’ll get a good working alignment with the Frankston VFL team that we'll share our home with
• those drawings of our new facility look fantastic – we’re entering the 21st century at last, and our players will get the great facilities they deserve
• could this really be true, and be our future home?

If you answered “yesâ€

[casey scorp]

The odds are that I've been a Saints supporter longer than you.

I think I've posted before that I'm well and truly over the fact that St Kilda isn't coming to Casey Fields. Perhaps you missed that. But it's the case. In any event the Saints now can't come to Casey Fields, even if they wanted to.

But don't put your head too far into the sand.

[Ghost Like]

Is there any chance we can sell up on the Frankston deal and put the money, effort and time into redeveloping the Trevor Barker Oval?

Seems odd now that Frankston will be enjoying the fruits of this move whilst down the highway at our aligned club not a cent will be spent on our affiliate.

[plugger66]

Is there any chance we can sell up on the Frankston deal and put the money, effort and time into redeveloping the Trevor Barker Oval?

Seems odd now that Frankston will be enjoying the fruits of this move whilst down the highway at our aligned club not a cent will be spent on our affiliate.

As discussed beore there is no room at TB oval and I am sure the Demons would have tried to do this as well without success.

[saintspremiers]

How about re developing Sandy Yacht Club and using it as training venue along with room for the Yacht Club also???

Just down the hill from TB Oval in Sandy and it needs a lot of TLC.

Could be perfect fit for St Kilda!

[Bernard Shakey]

There is plenty of room at Trevor Barker Oval.

I had a look yesterday.

It's just a matter of whether or not Bayside Council would approve the development.