Worth $600,000?

[Spinner]

Is he worth that much?

I love him to death, but its devastating when your whole game plan is structured around a player that cannot kick for goal. So much hard work goes into getting him the ball, which comes undone. Not with near misses, not with good attempts. Only with an inability to kick at goal, even the ones that go through don't look good.

Now don't go taking the high moral ground and start those 'your a player basher' lines. No, we didn't lose the game because of Riewoldt, this is just one of the factors in which was present in today's game which isn't a first. Yes he is a superstar, yes he is St Kilda through and through, everyone knows. So try and have a topical, grown up discussion about it.

How I feel walking away from the game. I feel that for $600,000+ a season, I'd wanna make sure those goals go through. Great marks don't win you games of football.

Discuss.

[The_Dud]

what? he shanked 1 today, oh dear....

his kicking is up to the same standard as any of Hall, Fev, Franklin, Mooney, Brown, and most other big forwards

why have a go at our best player, who was again best today?

he is well worth every penny

[SainterX]

hmmm Judd's worth a million apparently but he doesn't win games off his own boot either. It's all a matter of what the player does for the team more or less. Riewoldt runs and runs and hardly stops and thats a good example for a player to set. 69 goals in 2004 shows that at his best he can be very damaging.

[Spinner]

what? he shanked 1 today, oh dear....

his kicking is up to the same standard as any of Hall, Fev, Franklin, Mooney, Brown, and most other big forwards

why have a go at our best player, who was again best today?

he is well worth every penny

You seriously can't believe that. Thats a really poor comment. All that shows is that you have seen very very little of players from other teams.

[saint66au]

Yeah...agree with you to a point, but at least he presented and got the ball in his hands. Not his fault the ball takes soo long to be delivered inside 50 that he has to lead wide because the corridor is so crowded

Was as frustrated as everyone else with his misses in the last quarter. Nail those and we were back in the game.

[Richter]

You have got to be kidding. If we're only paying him $600k we're getting him on the cheap. 3 x B&F and club captain.

Seriously Roo was excellent today. Lenny BOG, Roo next. Never stopped leading.

But like all great players he needs others around him to play off. We have little to no contribution from the midfield in kicking goals, and sadly the big G-train looks like he's gone.

[The_Dud]

what? he shanked 1 today, oh dear....

his kicking is up to the same standard as any of Hall, Fev, Franklin, Mooney, Brown, and most other big forwards

why have a go at our best player, who was again best today?

he is well worth every penny

You seriously can't believe that. Thats a really poor comment. All that shows is that you have seen very very little of players from other teams.

any actual FACTS to back up your allegations....?

thought not.....

[Lennon]

You have got to be kidding. If we're only paying him $600k we're getting him on the cheap. 3 x B&F and club captain.

Four. Four B&Fs.

And in answer to the thread....

1. How do you know what his salary is?

and

2. If it is indeed what you say it is, then yes, he's worth every dollar.

Kicking, not just for goal but to hit a target, is something the whole team needs to have a good hard look at though.

[saintsrus]

You have got to be kidding. If we're only paying him $600k we're getting him on the cheap. 3 x B&F and club captain.

Seriously Roo was excellent today. Lenny BOG, Roo next. Never stopped leading.

But like all great players he needs others around him to play off. We have little to no contribution from the midfield in kicking goals, and sadly the big G-train looks like he's gone.

Spot on, maybe we should be asking if Dal is worth it, i havent made up my mind on that one

[SainterX]

Maybe its also a case of how much is it worth not to have these players playing against us for another team.

[my les foote]

. , even the ones that go through don't look good.

If you had any credibility you would have lost it there.

Barry Breen's point looked shocking.

[Spinner]

what? he shanked 1 today, oh dear....

his kicking is up to the same standard as any of Hall, Fev, Franklin, Mooney, Brown, and most other big forwards

why have a go at our best player, who was again best today?

he is well worth every penny

You seriously can't believe that. Thats a really poor comment. All that shows is that you have seen very very little of players from other teams.

any actual FACTS to back up your allegations....?

thought not.....

lol...your lucky I even responded to that line. I wouldn't be saying what you posted too loudly, anywhere else but a St Kilda forum.

Comparing Riewoldts Set Shot Goal Kicking to that of Fevola, Franklin, Hall and Brown. LOL.

Why not just argue that he is a better kick than Lockett. Seriously, lets try to be a little realistic here.

[Lennon]

what? he shanked 1 today, oh dear....

his kicking is up to the same standard as any of Hall, Fev, Franklin, Mooney, Brown, and most other big forwards

why have a go at our best player, who was again best today?

he is well worth every penny

You seriously can't believe that. Thats a really poor comment. All that shows is that you have seen very very little of players from other teams.

any actual FACTS to back up your allegations....?

thought not.....

lol...your lucky I even responded to that line. I wouldn't be saying what you posted too loudly, anywhere else but a St Kilda forum.

Comparing Riewoldts Set Shot Goal Kicking to that of Fevola, Franklin, Hall and Brown. LOL.

Why not just argue that he is a better kick than Lockett. Seriously, lets try to be a little realistic here.

Pretty sure I read somewhere his % is the same as Fev's and Pav's.

You've not yet told us how you are privy to the details of Nick's contract.

[Ghost Like]

$600K, bloody hell let's buy another 3 of him. Great value at that price, worth every penny. May need to pay him more otherwise he'll definately be gone after 2010.

He's a quality leader, no J. Brown but every bit as important to us and better than any other big forward at the moment.

[Spinner]

Yep, just as I thought.

Some logical, realistic, opinions and discussion. Why aren't people here able to have serious, unbiased discussion about a player that plays for the red, white and black? Its just bitter defense and defense.

1) Argue that Riewodlt is on less than $600,000 at your own peril. Please don't lower the standard of discussion on this forum by drawing up unrealistic arguments.

2) Those accuracy percentages do not separate set shots for goal. Riewodlt is a beautiful kick in general play. Absolutely beautiful. But too many of his goals are from directly in front 15 meters out, or in play.

3) LOL, Im still laughing at the poster comparing his set shot kicking with Fev, Brown, Franklin and Hall. Does that include the fact Riewoldt dose not even consider having a set shot from the 40m these days unless there is not other option? LOL.

4) I know he has won 4 B&F's. Absolutely deserved every one. Will probably win more. Does this mean I can not comment on a particular of his game that I feel is a much bigger problem than people think.

[Spinner]

$600K, bloody hell let's buy another 3 of him. Great value at that price, worth every penny. May need to pay him more otherwise he'll definately be gone after 2010.

He's a quality leader, no J. Brown but every bit as important to us and better than any other big forward at the moment.

Exactly what I'm getting at.

And the only thing that separates them is when their goal kicking is compared.

I like talking football with actual people at time, people that don't follow St Kilda. I have defended his and protested his number one status since he came through against Brown.

I don't any longer. Because as much as my heart says he is better than Brown, my head knows that he isn't.

[The_Dud]

what? he shanked 1 today, oh dear....

his kicking is up to the same standard as any of Hall, Fev, Franklin, Mooney, Brown, and most other big forwards

why have a go at our best player, who was again best today?

he is well worth every penny

You seriously can't believe that. Thats a really poor comment. All that shows is that you have seen very very little of players from other teams.

any actual FACTS to back up your allegations....?

thought not.....

lol...your lucky I even responded to that line. I wouldn't be saying what you posted too loudly, anywhere else but a St Kilda forum.

Comparing Riewoldts Set Shot Goal Kicking to that of Fevola, Franklin, Hall and Brown. LOL.

Why not just argue that he is a better kick than Lockett. Seriously, lets try to be a little realistic here.

thats exactly what i'm saying

again, any facts to back up your allegations?

[Spinner]

what? he shanked 1 today, oh dear....

his kicking is up to the same standard as any of Hall, Fev, Franklin, Mooney, Brown, and most other big forwards

why have a go at our best player, who was again best today?

he is well worth every penny

You seriously can't believe that. Thats a really poor comment. All that shows is that you have seen very very little of players from other teams.

any actual FACTS to back up your allegations....?

thought not.....

lol...your lucky I even responded to that line. I wouldn't be saying what you posted too loudly, anywhere else but a St Kilda forum.

Comparing Riewoldts Set Shot Goal Kicking to that of Fevola, Franklin, Hall and Brown. LOL.

Why not just argue that he is a better kick than Lockett. Seriously, lets try to be a little realistic here.

thats exactly what i'm saying

again, any facts to back up your allegations?

Any facts to show that he is???

And I add, using career goals versus points doesn't separate set shots from general play, plus the number of times certain players fail to make the distance from inside 50, or kick the ball out on the full.

It's funny how you haven't included Matthew Richardson in that list a players....I wonder why.

Once again, don't go arguing those types of silly notions out loud. Use your eyes and you will be clearly able to decipher the lack of goal kicking ability. But to do that, you will unfortunately have to watch these 'players' from other teams which is the only thing that is saving you from me thinking you have no idea.

Its like asking, do you have any facts to prove the sky is blue.

[SainterX]

It's simple Spinner. You asked if Riewoldt is worth what we pay him more or less.
The consensus is yes.

A leader by example is always a valuable thing to have. And seriously, would you really like to have him playing against us?

[The_Dud]

what? he shanked 1 today, oh dear....

his kicking is up to the same standard as any of Hall, Fev, Franklin, Mooney, Brown, and most other big forwards

why have a go at our best player, who was again best today?

he is well worth every penny

You seriously can't believe that. Thats a really poor comment. All that shows is that you have seen very very little of players from other teams.

any actual FACTS to back up your allegations....?

thought not.....

lol...your lucky I even responded to that line. I wouldn't be saying what you posted too loudly, anywhere else but a St Kilda forum.

Comparing Riewoldts Set Shot Goal Kicking to that of Fevola, Franklin, Hall and Brown. LOL.

Why not just argue that he is a better kick than Lockett. Seriously, lets try to be a little realistic here.

thats exactly what i'm saying

again, any facts to back up your allegations?

Any facts to show that he is???

And I add, using career goals versus points doesn't separate set shots from general play, plus the number of times certain players fail to make the distance from inside 50, or kick the ball out on the full.

It's funny how you haven't included Matthew Richardson in that list a players....I wonder why.

Once again, don't go arguing those types of silly notions out loud. Use your eyes and you will be clearly able to decipher the lack of goal kicking ability. But to do that, you will unfortunately have to watch these 'players' from other teams which is the only thing that is saving you from me thinking you have no idea.

Its like asking, do you have any facts to prove the sky is blue.

wow, how convienient for your argument

his percentages would be around the same mark as all those i mentioned, and probably Richo's too

did you notice Brown miss the set shot from 30m against Collingwood to win the game a couple of weeks ago? How many did Hall miss against us? Did you see Mooney today?

he has his good weeks, and his bad weks, just like everybody else....

[Spinner]

what? he shanked 1 today, oh dear....

his kicking is up to the same standard as any of Hall, Fev, Franklin, Mooney, Brown, and most other big forwards

why have a go at our best player, who was again best today?

he is well worth every penny

You seriously can't believe that. Thats a really poor comment. All that shows is that you have seen very very little of players from other teams.

any actual FACTS to back up your allegations....?

thought not.....

lol...your lucky I even responded to that line. I wouldn't be saying what you posted too loudly, anywhere else but a St Kilda forum.

Comparing Riewoldts Set Shot Goal Kicking to that of Fevola, Franklin, Hall and Brown. LOL.

Why not just argue that he is a better kick than Lockett. Seriously, lets try to be a little realistic here.

thats exactly what i'm saying

again, any facts to back up your allegations?

Any facts to show that he is???

And I add, using career goals versus points doesn't separate set shots from general play, plus the number of times certain players fail to make the distance from inside 50, or kick the ball out on the full.

It's funny how you haven't included Matthew Richardson in that list a players....I wonder why.

Once again, don't go arguing those types of silly notions out loud. Use your eyes and you will be clearly able to decipher the lack of goal kicking ability. But to do that, you will unfortunately have to watch these 'players' from other teams which is the only thing that is saving you from me thinking you have no idea.

Its like asking, do you have any facts to prove the sky is blue.

wow, how convienient for your argument

his percentages would be around the same mark as all those i mentioned, and probably Richo's too

did you notice Brown miss the set shot from 30m against Collingwood to win the game a couple of weeks ago? How many did Hall miss against us? Did you see Mooney today?

he has his good weeks, and his bad weks, just like everybody else....

Watch the ball leave Riewoldt's boot. Watch it spin. Watch how they actually go through. Watch the distances that he actually achieves.

Lockett kicked points too. Maybe you should use this in your argument.

I cannot decipher what is actually funnier. Me actually taking the time to respond to comments like these? Or you actually believing in your rating of Roo's kicking to that of Fev, Buddy, Brown and Hall.

[The_Dud]

Watch the ball leave Riewoldt's boot. Watch it spin. Watch how they actually go through. Watch the distances that he actually achieves.

Lockett kicked points too. Maybe you should use this in your argument.

I cannot decipher what is actually funnier. Me actually taking the time to respond to comments like these? Or you actually believing in your rating of Roo's kicking to that of Fev, Buddy, Brown and Hall.

Last week his set shots were very good, this week they were very good, tho he did shank one

He is actually a better set shot in my opinion from near 50, but i don't know whether its selflessness or he's worried about his knee, but he usually prefers to do the "team thing"

and here they are for you, apporx. goal kicking percentages for last year;

Brown - 67%
Roo - 62%
Hall - 59%
Fev - 59%
Buddy - 54%

uh-oh.....

[Spinner]

Watch the ball leave Riewoldt's boot. Watch it spin. Watch how they actually go through. Watch the distances that he actually achieves.

Lockett kicked points too. Maybe you should use this in your argument.

I cannot decipher what is actually funnier. Me actually taking the time to respond to comments like these? Or you actually believing in your rating of Roo's kicking to that of Fev, Buddy, Brown and Hall.

Last week his set shots were very good, this week they were very good, tho he did shank one

He is actually a better set shot in my opinion from near 50, but i don't know whether its selflessness or he's worried about his knee, but he usually prefers to do the "team thing"

and here they are for you, apporx. goal kicking percentages for last year;

Brown - 67%
Roo - 62%
Hall - 59%
Fev - 59%
Buddy - 54%

uh-oh.....

Got any percentages that actually reflect set shot goal kicking only?

Those include; General play goals and exclude; kicks that should but fail to make the distance as well as balls out on the full.

If you are going to present facts and figures...make sure they support what your trying to argue.

[bigcarl]

i thought riewoldt was excellent today and his efforts were nothing to do with us losing.

[The_Dud]

every player kicks a few out on the full, every player doesn't get the distance sometimes, every player probably has about the same 'set shot' to 'on the run' goal ratio's, so whats your point?

anyway, those would only change the results 1 or 2% if lucky (and on that note, can we take into account that Roo probably does many more kilometers running in the game than most if not all other big forwards?)

and those figures do support what i'm trying to argue, that Roo is just as good/bad a kick for goal as every other big forward in the game