o'dea greening incident

esaint66 · Post: # 504630Post **esaint66** » Thu 20 Dec 2007 9:36pm

i was reading in this old magazine about the john greening and jim o'dea incident and there were stories about supporters of both collingwood and stkildas storys of the day like one were a young magpie fan with the number 22 on his duffle jacket walked out crying while saints fans yelled stuff like hope he dies and how people never actually saw the incident and how greening was a fantastic player.then on the next page they had a story about how the next pre season at vic park they had a practice match in honour of john grrening and the pie fans had a massive GREENING banner whilst the saints fans had a smaller O' DEA banner rumours werer that the saints fans got the s**t kicked out of them if anyone has any storys on either the greening o'dea incident game at moorabin or the charity game at victoria park please tell thanks

stinger · Post: # 504642Post **stinger** » Thu 20 Dec 2007 9:49pm

ancient history...give it a rest troll.......or p!ss off.....

why would any football supporter say that they hoped a young champion would die ffs.......moron.....

esaint66 · Post: # 504652Post **esaint66** » Thu 20 Dec 2007 10:08pm

hey mate i dont know i wasnt there i was just intrested in the topic and wanted to know if there was any truth in the matter if it bothers you that much im sorry

snoopygirl · Thu 20 Dec 2007 10:08pm

Stinger, he's just quoting what he read in a magazine. Who knows, he may be too young to know the story & all the controversy & bitterness associated with it.

my les foote · Thu 20 Dec 2007 10:15pm

Without a search function, I can't look for your other posts but this one is very troll like.

"I'm interesting in finding out about a Saints player being a thug and their supporters being blood thirsty animals"

esaint66 · Post: # 504657Post **esaint66** » Thu 20 Dec 2007 10:17pm

well my les foote the blood thirsty animal part was written by a collinwood supporter

HSVKing · Post: # 504658Post **HSVKing** » Thu 20 Dec 2007 10:18pm

stinger wrote:ancient history...give it a rest troll.......or p!ss off.....

why would any football supporter say that they hoped a young champion would die ffs.......moron.....

C'mon stinger... Would you please give it a rest? If it were up to you 95% of posters would be trolls I would say.

Nothing wrong with someone younger than yourself, obviously interested in a topic, to be stating things they have read about it, and be questioning things about it.

Just settle down a bit mate, or I'll have to send you on a holiday for a bit.

Enrico_Misso · Thu 20 Dec 2007 10:20pm

I was there that day and what I saw was ...

absolutely nothing !

Rumour had it O'Dea and Greening had a run-in in the carpark before the game.
Jimmy obviously hit him, but O'Dea never had a reputation as a real dirty player before or after the incident. Like Guy McKenna I suspect most of the damage was done as he hit the ground awkwardly rather than the initial blow.

I feel sorry for both of them.
Greening because he was a champion in the making, well actually he was already a champion, but had his best ahead of him. And he never lived up to his potential.

But in turn O'Dea was a victim. He was stigmatised for the rest of his career and remains so for an incident where the ramifications far exceeded his culpability.

All in all it was a sad day for football.

St Fidelius · Thu 20 Dec 2007 10:21pm

I was at the game and although I didn't see the incident I do remember the reports at the time from other saints fans...

O'Dea was really worried and from what I was told (as a kid) spent many a night with no lights on .....

Not really a great moment in football and one hopes won't happen again...

esaint66 · Post: # 504664Post **esaint66** » Thu 20 Dec 2007 10:27pm

yeh im sure this kinda thing wont happen now they have cameras on every player every second of the game.

Riewoldting · Thu 20 Dec 2007 10:39pm

saint edward wrote:yeh im sure this kinda thing wont happen now they have cameras on every player every second of the game.

Care to explain why you suddenly used a full stop?

HSVKing · Post: # 504670Post **HSVKing** » Thu 20 Dec 2007 10:42pm

Riewoldting wrote:
saint edward wrote:yeh im sure this kinda thing wont happen now they have cameras on every player every second of the game.
Care to explain why you suddenly used a full stop?

Bed time?

esaint66 · Post: # 504673Post **esaint66** » Thu 20 Dec 2007 10:47pm

the full stops just a habit jeez hahaha

St Fidelius · Thu 20 Dec 2007 10:48pm

HSVKing wrote:
Riewoldting wrote:
saint edward wrote:yeh im sure this kinda thing wont happen now they have cameras on every player every second of the game.
Care to explain why you suddenly used a full stop?
Bed time?

just off topic, hehe

who the flowered is that on you av HSV??

SENsei · Post: # 504682Post **SENsei** » Thu 20 Dec 2007 11:12pm

St Fidelius wrote:
HSVKing wrote:
Riewoldting wrote:
saint edward wrote:yeh im sure this kinda thing wont happen now they have cameras on every player every second of the game.
Care to explain why you suddenly used a full stop?
Bed time?
just off topic, hehe

who the flowered is that on you av HSV??

Looks like Lewis Hamilton.

Had the pleasure of meeting and working with Jim O'Dea a few years ago when he was a football director in charge of our VFL side.

A nicer bloke you would never meet. A total gentleman.

I've not been able to reconcile the bloke I know to the person involved in the Greening incident. However, I do know it is not a subject to be broched with Jim.

Mr Magic · Post: # 504751Post **Mr Magic** » Fri 21 Dec 2007 8:27am

My understanding of the events that took place is as follows:-

Greening had just kicked the ball from a mark/free kick and O'Dea was on the mark.

As he ran past O'Dea, following the kick upfield, Greening made an uncomplimentary remark about O'Dea's wife, along the lines of "I f....d your wife last night"
O'Dea threw a punch which connected too well and Greening hit the ground unconscious.

There was no premeditated 'king hit'. It was a spur of the moment lashing out by O'Dea.

I was there that day, sitting in the stand above the 'animal enclosure, and like everyone else saw nothing of the incident. My version of this incident was told to me a few days after the event by someone who was a friend of O'Dea.

As far as I'm aware no credible witness has ever come forward with a first hand account of the incident. I discount totally those Collingwood fans who publicly purported to have seen the incident and who later were found to have been 'mistaken'.

Incidentally, whilst Collingwood people continue to demonise O'Dea and the incident none of them ever mention their own player Duncan Wright who happened to be standing next to Essendon's Peter Sommerville at the MCG one day, and didn't see him 'feint' some 80 metres off the ball.

Selhurst Saint · Fri 21 Dec 2007 8:38am

saint edward wrote:yeh im sure this kinda thing wont happen now they have cameras on every player every second of the game.

Tell that to Stephen Baker

yipper · Post: # 504757Post **yipper** » Fri 21 Dec 2007 8:49am

Not sure what the purpose of this thread is - why are we bringing up this rather tragic incident again. O'dea copped his punishment - a very decent man who has indeed been stigmatised by a spur of the moment action. Greening was a star and unlucky. It happened in 1972 - so of all the incidents that have happened in footy, and there have been plenty, from all sides - we all have our skeletons - why are we re-hashing this one.

Verdun66 · Post: # 504759Post **Verdun66** » Fri 21 Dec 2007 8:57am

We went through this a few months ago....well covered.

Mr Magic is dead right from what I've heard over the years....and yes, the magpies have their own bad stories.

And Stinger ( as usual ) is spot on about the trolls. Love his work. We'll have a beer one day when I can get to Melbourne!

st_Trav_ofWA · Fri 21 Dec 2007 11:12am

what was troll like about this post ?? did he critisise anyone ? i wasnt born in the 70's so i know little to none about this incidentso if i asked this question would i be called a troll ?? its part of our history and with history you cant just edit out all the bad bits

Saint Bev · Post: # 504812Post **Saint Bev** » Fri 21 Dec 2007 11:25am

Hubbie said that Greening had been in a car accident that week, had concusion and wasn't spose to play anyway.

Richter · Post: # 504966Post **Richter** » Fri 21 Dec 2007 6:30pm

HSVKing wrote:
stinger wrote:ancient history...give it a rest troll.......or p!ss off.....

why would any football supporter say that they hoped a young champion would die ffs.......moron.....
C'mon stinger... Would you please give it a rest? If it were up to you 95% of posters would be trolls I would say.

Er HSV, he's right about 95% of the time too I reckon.

stinger · Post: # 504968Post **stinger** » Fri 21 Dec 2007 6:39pm

Richter wrote:
HSVKing wrote:
stinger wrote:ancient history...give it a rest troll.......or p!ss off.....

why would any football supporter say that they hoped a young champion would die ffs.......moron.....
C'mon stinger... Would you please give it a rest? If it were up to you 95% of posters would be trolls I would say.
Er HSV, he's right about 95% of the time too I reckon.

thanks for your support guys......

plugger66 · Post: # 504979Post **plugger66** » Fri 21 Dec 2007 7:27pm

The rose coloured glasses on this site amaze me. That is all I can say on this incident.

Richter · Post: # 504984Post **Richter** » Fri 21 Dec 2007 7:32pm

plugger66 wrote:The rose coloured glasses on this site amaze me. That is all I can say on this incident.

Can't really comment on this incident as I'm too recently a Sainter to know anything about it. But if you look towards the top of the page Plugger66 you'll find a phrase Saintsational Fan Forum.

There are always two sides to every story and I think it's forgiveable if when there is doubt that Saints fans err on the side of giving the Saints player/club the benefit of any doubt.