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Ghost Like wrote:Good luck to him if he comes to the Saints but he'll be coming with some fair expectation at a reasonable cost. Personally I am not sure he's worth it.
I would rather see Geelong squirm fitting all three in their cap and appease each on their list than pay above price and hence reward Geelong in what appears to be our week of (r)ucking desperation.
Well he is only 22 and I am sure that out of King and Blake that they would want to keep Blake.
As for squirming to fit them all in. Plenty of precedent for premiership teams players taking big pay cuts to stay in the team and at the club.
The only reason anyone would want to leave the club that has just won a flag is in circumstance such as Blake finds himself in.
My feeling is that he would stay. However he may see the hurt done and the $800k and the fact that the Saints obviously want him as a reason to go.
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
I would rather pay him overs in cash and secure him in PSD rather than use a first or second round pick for him.
If we miss out on him in the PSD because another team wants to also pay him overs...BOO HOO...life goes on, we'll average 4 less ruck hit outs than we expected.
Ghost Like wrote:I would rather pay him overs in cash and secure him in PSD rather than use a first or second round pick for him.
If we miss out on him in the PSD because another team wants to also pay him overs...BOO HOO...life goes on, we'll average 4 less ruck hit outs than we expected.
I suppose so.
It isn't Dean Cox we are talking about is it.
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
The ruck contests were about even, but the two Geelong ruckmen were well and truly slaughtered around the ground. They both showed how their style of play is becoming outdated. You can't afford to stand in the opposition 50 hoping to block space while your more mobile opponent is racking up touches and kicking goals.
McIntosh won the Kangaroos this game. To this point Blake has twice been Geelong's number one ruckman, and both times they have lost.
King
3 kicks
11 handballs
5 marks
4 tackles
18 hitouts
Total
9 kicks
20 handballs
7 marks
2 goals
5 tackles
42 hitouts
Looking pretty damn impressive so far hey? BUT, you then have to take into account that Richmond's number one ruckman is their freshly elevated 19 year old rookie Angus Graham playing his first game, with Troy Simmonds playing injured and severly restricted.
Graham
3 disposals, 3 tackles, 13 hitouts
Simmonds
9 disposals, 1 mark, 1 tackle, 8 hitouts
Total
12 disposals, 1 mark, 4 tackles, 21 hitouts
Blake and King comprehensively flogged the Richmond rucks, but Cain Ackland and Dylan McLaren would've done the same. It isn't hard for any AFL quality ruck (even if they are just ordinary backups) to smash a 19 year old twig playing his first game and a player who can't stay on the field for more than 5 minutes at a time.
Overall these 3 games do not look too well upon Blake and King. They fought out a nothing duel against two ordinary ruckmen, then were well beaten by 2 mobile ruckmen against the Kangaroos and then flogged the worst ruck duo to take the field in 2007.
Neither of those players would do much to improve our chances in 2008. If we go after a ruckman it should be because they are a significantly better than Gardiner, Koschitzke, Rix, Brooks and Blake. Not because we might need some insurance.
mad saint guy wrote:If we go after a ruckman it should be because they are a significantly better than Gardiner, Koschitzke, Rix, Brooks and Blake. Not because we might need some insurance.
Completely agree, If we do get a ruckman it's not exactly going to completely change everything is it.... The fact is there are few quality ruckman and we are not at all likely to get one this trade period either...
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Armoooo wrote:Completely agree, If we do get a ruckman it's not exactly going to completely change everything is it.... The fact is there are few quality ruckman and we are not at all likely to get one this trade period either...
Exactly. Cox, McIntosh, Sandilands and to a lesser extent Lade and Ottens are players who would walk into our side and immediately have a big impact. If we could get any of those players in their early 20's they would be worth every draft pick we've got.
Reasonable ruckmen like Hille, McDonald, Biglands, Campbell, Taylor, Blake and Street just don't make any real difference to their team. They are in about 50 ruck contests each game and rarely get more than 5 effective hitouts while they conrtibute very little arond the ground.
I agree with GT's views on ruckmen, but I think that he needed to be far more agressive chasing the quality ruckmen. He always talked about how he nearly got Cox, White, Brogan etc, but we never actually got one because he was never willing to trade agressively. Instead we just amassed cheap sub-par rucks like Knobel, Oliver, Ackland, Rix etc. The only ruck we ever traded anything of worth for was Brooks, who just fell apart after his ACL injury.
Oh When the Saints wrote:Just found out that Blake was heading overseas today with some of his team-mates, and was going to inform Geelong of his decision before he left.
So we should find out tomorrow whether we have secured his services, or whether he will remain at Kardinia Park.
Team end of season trip...if he was walking out on them he will not have gone.
If he went he stays..
If he stayed he will go
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Ghost Like wrote:I would rather pay him overs in cash and secure him in PSD rather than use a first or second round pick for him.
If we miss out on him in the PSD because another team wants to also pay him overs...BOO HOO...life goes on, we'll average 4 less ruck hit outs than we expected.
I suppose so.
It isn't Dean Cox we are talking about is it.
Mabye it is Dean Cox we are talking about
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
Oh When the Saints wrote:Just found out that Blake was heading overseas today with some of his team-mates, and was going to inform Geelong of his decision before he left.
So we should find out tomorrow whether we have secured his services, or whether he will remain at Kardinia Park.
Team end of season trip...if he was walking out on them he will not have gone.
If he went he stays..
If he stayed he will go
was it a team end of season trip?
i thought it was just an end of season holiday with a few teammates? - nothing stopping him doing that if that is the case...his manager can take care of him in the trade...but i must admitt it looks likely he will stay at geelong
Saw Warnock's name mentioned in an article this morning, any reason to believe he's truly available? He's good around the ground and has the size to make one believe his tapwork will improve (right now he's a ruckman that despite the height difference Jason Blake is a good matchup for), and any indication on price if so? (I'm being lazy, haven't really had a chance to trawl the net for info, so hoping someone here will know more).
Something else I didn't see mentioned in articles I've read re: Wood, that while Collingwood has made prime offer, apparently Wood's preference is Adelaide.
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