St Kilda 2007 List + Rookies + Departures - Recruiting Story

[plugger66]

rookie list now included at the end of the opening post.

recent departures (guerra, ackland, etc) will be up sometime in the next few hours

Wall was delisted 2 weeks a go. Not sure that any of the rookies are good or bad picks unless they get put on lists and end up playing.

thats why originally didnt do them but someone asked for them

as for Wall being delisted...thats news to me!

Found out today. Had no idea but fair enough I would think. At least one more rookie to go if not 2 IMO.

interesting, thanks for that - who else do you think will be told to go?

i think Jones is the only other rookie who has shown that he wont make it...

Have no idea but they will only put up 2 IMO. That will be out of Geary Eddy Attard and Jones and if it isnt Jones he goes along with one of the others which will be unlucky. VR will stay on rookie list for sure.

[ausfatcat]

Attard was a shoe in before his knee... (I am lead to believe he was told he was being placed on the list a couple of weeks before his knee)....... I wonder if this has changed??

[Apu]

We got a hell of a lot more out of hamil than carlton got out of livingston and cranage............

I had no idea Carlton were our benchmark?

The comparison is because we traded pick 4 (Livingstone) and Cranage to the blues for Aaron Hamill.
This is my favorite argument to mates that are Blues fans who try to give me a hard time over Hamill. At least we got a couple of good years outta him. How many did they get out of Livingstone...........answer - ZERO

[Oh When the Saints]

We gave D. Wakelin to Port for #4, which we gave to the Blues for Hamill.

So for St Kilda, it was:
LOSE: D. Wakelin
GAIN: A. Hamill

Wakelin played about 130 games with Port, and Hamill play 98 games with the Saints.

All in all, I reckon it was a break even trade.

[meher baba]

We gave D. Wakelin to Port for #4, which we gave to the Blues for Hamill.

So for St Kilda, it was:
LOSE: D. Wakelin
GAIN: A. Hamill

Wakelin played about 130 games with Port, and Hamill play 98 games with the Saints.

All in all, I reckon it was a break even trade.

I don't see how Wakelin could have ever exerted the galvanising effect that Hamill did over the team, especially during 2003 and 2004. I reckon that he was possibly more important as GT in melding our group of young guns into a team of winners. The lack of a Hamill-type on-field leader is one of the main things that has condemned the Richmonds and Carltons of this world to languishing on the bottom of the table season after season despite collecting more first round picks than we ever did.

I reckon that recruiting Hamill was probably the best trade we have ever made, with Gehrig a close second. It was these decisions that made us look like a serious proposition at the beginning of the 2000s, and we can therefore be thankful in retrospect for the decision to appoint Blight as well, no matter how much we ended having to pay him out.

Recruiting the right star players can exert an important psychological effect on a team that can go far beyond their individual on-field abilities. In that context, it was also a fabulous call for the Swans to go for Lockett all those years ago and a reasonable gamble for the Bulldogs to go for Aker IMO. Likewise, a Melbourne or a Carlton would benefit enormously from Judd (but I'm not so sure about a Collingwood or a St Kilda).

I know lots of people on here won't agree with me about these points, but we must remember that football is not just a game of chess in which a knight can be exchanged for a bishop, a rook for a knight and two pawns & etc.

[Iratedebate]

I don't see how Wakelin could have ever exerted the galvanising effect that Hamill did over the team, especially during 2003 and 2004. I reckon that he was possibly more important as GT in melding our group of young guns into a team of winners. The lack of a Hamill-type on-field leader is one of the main things that has condemned the Richmonds and Carltons of this world to languishing on the bottom of the table season after season despite collecting more first round picks than we ever did.

I reckon that recruiting Hamill was probably the best trade we have ever made, with Gehrig a close second. It was these decisions that made us look like a serious proposition at the beginning of the 2000s, and we can therefore be thankful in retrospect for the decision to appoint Blight as well, no matter how much we ended having to pay him out.

Recruiting the right star players can exert an important psychological effect on a team that can go far beyond their individual on-field abilities. In that context, it was also a fabulous call for the Swans to go for Lockett all those years ago and a reasonable gamble for the Bulldogs to go for Aker IMO. Likewise, a Melbourne or a Carlton would benefit enormously from Judd (but I'm not so sure about a Collingwood or a St Kilda).

I know lots of people on here won't agree with me about these points, but we must remember that football is not just a game of chess in which a knight can be exchanged for a bishop, a rook for a knight and two pawns & etc.

There is no doubt that Blight and the team did a great job in getting Hamill to the club and it was a fantastic trade for us. The problem started when GT decided to give Hamill a 4 yr extension (which virtually meant signing him for 5 yrs) which has severely hampered our club in our ability to be in the running for other quality in trade week due to the $500,000 a yr that Hamill is getting for zero output.
Like it or not, giving any player a 4-5 yr deal on that amount of money always has potential to bite you on the arse, and that is exactly what that deal has done.

[meher baba]

There is no doubt that Blight and the team did a great job in getting Hamill to the club and it was a fantastic trade for us. The problem started when GT decided to give Hamill a 4 yr extension (which virtually meant signing him for 5 yrs) which has severely hampered our club in our ability to be in the running for other quality in trade week due to the $500,000 a yr that Hamill is getting for zero output.
Like it or not, giving any player a 4-5 yr deal on that amount of money always has potential to bite you on the arse, and that is exactly what that deal has done.

With hindsight, the decision to give Hamill such a long contract was a major mistake. Of course, we will never know precisely what motivated the club to offer him such a long contract or what the consequences would have been if we had not done so (eg, the need to cut other players to find the salary $$ to pay Hamill over 2-3 years, or the risk of Hamill walking out if he had been offered a shorter contract with less $$$, etc.)

[Solar]

There is no doubt that Blight and the team did a great job in getting Hamill to the club and it was a fantastic trade for us. The problem started when GT decided to give Hamill a 4 yr extension (which virtually meant signing him for 5 yrs) which has severely hampered our club in our ability to be in the running for other quality in trade week due to the $500,000 a yr that Hamill is getting for zero output.
Like it or not, giving any player a 4-5 yr deal on that amount of money always has potential to bite you on the arse, and that is exactly what that deal has done.

With hindsight, the decision to give Hamill such a long contract was a major mistake. Of course, we will never know precisely what motivated the club to offer him such a long contract or what the consequences would have been if we had not done so (eg, the need to cut other players to find the salary $$ to pay Hamill over 2-3 years, or the risk of Hamill walking out if he had been offered a shorter contract with less $$$, etc.)

It would be interesting to know how much money PER YEAR the new 4 year contract extension was and how much of that went into keeping the likes of roo, kosi, dal and ball.

We might find out in 15 years time when someone writes a book about it

[SaintBot]

finally finished the players who have joined/left the club since 2000


Recent Departures


Fred Campbell – Picked with Pre-Season Draft Selection #5 in 2000 – Barry Young (#6), Ben Fixter (#7), Wade Chapman (#8), Andrew Wills (#9) and Simon Hawking (#10) – Delisted at the conclusion of the 2000 Season – Only three names; Shane O’Bree, Ben Fixter and Simon Godfrey have lasted in the AFL until 2007 from the 2000 Pre-Season Draft. Fred Campbell managed seven games in year 2000 before he was delisted. Poor Pick.


Damian Monkhorst – Picked with Pre-Season Draft Selection #13 in 2000 – Simon Godfrey (#14) and Sean Charles (#15) – Retired at the conclusion of the 2000 Season – A somewhat confusing selection this was. It was pretty obvious that Monkhorst was finished after Collingwood let him go, so for StKilda to go and draft him at his age was particularly strange. ‘Monkey’ played ten games for the season before finally calling it quits at the end of the season. Poor Pick.


Sean Charles – Picked with Pre-Season Draft Selection #15 in 2000 – Last Pre-Season Selection of 2000 – Retired during the Pre-Season of 2001 – Sean Charles was always said to have amazing potential but a lack of desire for the game hurt his commitment. After starting his career nicely at Melbourne, Charles broke his leg in his first game with Carlton. He spent two years out of the game before being picked up by the Saints. He played in the last eight games of the 2000 season. Below Average Pick.


Mark Gale – Picked with Draft Selection #64 in 2000 – Scott Thorton (#66), Graham Johncock (#67), Wayde Skipper (#70), Daniel Lowther (#71) and Ross Funcke (#73) – Retired at the conclusion of the 2001 Season – As late as Mark Gale was taken in the draft some would still struggle to believe how the Saints decided to pick up the Fremantle discard instead of Scott Thorton, Wayde Skipper and in particular Graham Johncock. Gale got through 13 games during the 2001 season before retiring aged 25. Terrible Pick.


Robert Powell – Picked with Draft Selection #75 in 2000 – Hamish Simpson (#79), Mitchell Craig (#80) and Daniel Wulf (#82) – Delisted at the conclusion of the 2001 Season – Powell had an generally inconsistent and poor season at the Saints and was delisted after just one year. Poor Pick.


Daniel Wulf – Picked with Draft Selection #82 in 2000 – Last National Draft Selection of 2000 – Delisted at the conclusion of the 2004 Season – As the last pick used in the draft Daniel Wulf did very well. Added his fair share to the StKilda side in 2002 but fell away in 2003 before being delisted in 2004 after he couldn’t manage one game for the season. Average Pick.


Darryl Wakelin – Traded by Fremantle in 1994 for Draft Selection #42 – Douglas Headland (#42), Dean Matthews (#43), Jeremy Dyer (#44), Gary Moorcroft (#45), Justin Charles (#46) and Austin Jones (#48) – Traded by StKilda to Port Adelaide in 2000 for Draft Selection #4 – Wakelin was one of the very first players Fremantle traded as he was ‘recruited’ with a Zone Selection before their first season. The recruitment of Wakelin turned out to be exceptional, as only Jones was of any worth around his pick (Jones was picked by StKilda anyway). Then after the 2000 season, Wakelin was part of StKilda’s mass clearout and he was traded for draft selection #4, a pick that we would on trade to Carlton for Aaron Hamill. Very Good Trade (In both cases).


Craig Callaghan – Traded by Fremantle in 2000 for Matthew Carr – Retired at the conclusion of the 2000 Season – This is trade obviously ended up in direct favour of Fremantle but who knows how Callaghan could’ve played had he not been injured for four of his five seasons at the Saints. After struggling with injury for too long he decided to retire, aged 28. He could only struggle through 29 games in five seasons at the Saints but he always looked promising when he could get on the park. Matt Carr has had his fair share of injurys himself however he is still going strong in the Fremantle side and has played 130 games in seven seasons. Ignoring injury this trade was fairly even however Callaghan is three years older than Carr. Below Average Trade.


Matthew Capuano – Traded by North Melbourne in 2000 for Joe McLaren – Sacked during the 2003 Season – Capuano will be best remembered for his midseason sacking in the hands of Grant Thomas after round 9 of the 2003 season. In his three seasons at the club he managed only 25 games, most of them spent on the bench. Joe McLaren, whilst being a good club server for five season was never going to become a good enough player to play in a leading side. He only managed one season at the Kangaroos before being delisted as part of a massive clearout. One of those common trades where both sides lose. Poor Trade.


Steven Lawrence – Traded by Brisbane in 2000 for Draft Selection #33 – Martin Pike (#33), Ryan Lonie (#34), Allen Murray (#35), Jeremy Humm (#36), Guy Richards (#37) and Adam McPhee (#39) – Sacked during the 2003 Season – One of the clubs favourite names returned to the club in Lawrence but due to his partying behaviour it wasn’t to be a happy reunion. After he smashed his car whilst driving under the influence of alcohol Lawrence was sacked. It was a shame to lose him as he was playing good consistent football. However the Saints may have made a mistake trading Draft Selection #33 for Lawrence in such a strong mid order draft. Some of the names taken after Lawrence include N.Lonie, R.Lonie, A.McPhee, C.Hyde, M.Williams, J.Hunt, D.Cassisi, A.Buchanan, C.Newman, D.Cross and Co.Jones. Very Poor Trade.


Brett Moyle – Elevated from the Rookie List in 2000 – Delisted at the conclusion of the 2004 Season – As far as rookies go, Moyle was actually very good. His first three seasons consisted of 12, 15 and 12 games before he fell out of favour in 2003 and was eventually delisted after only managing one game in 2004. Average Elevation.


Josh Houlihan – Picked with Draft Selection #49 in 2001 – Andrew Browne (#52), Daniel Hunt (#53), Ben Robbins (#54), Brad Miller (#55), Paul Medhurst (#56) and Dane Swan (#58) – Delisted at the conclusion of the 2004 Season – Taken with the unwanted Draft Selection 49 which started at Richmond and moved to Bulldogs then Brisbane then StKilda. Imagine if the Saints had been able to recognise that Houlihan would’nt end up being all that talented and if we had’ve picked one of Andrew Browne, Brad Miller, Paul Medhurst, Adam Schneider or in particular Dane Swan. Terrible Pick.


Heath Black – Traded by Fremantle in 2001 for Draft Selection #17 – James Kelly (#17), Shane Harvey (#18), Jason Gram (#19), Daniel Elstone (#20), Matt Maguire (#21) and Mark Seaby (#22) – Traded to Fremantle in 2004 for Aaron Fiora – Black was terrific for the four seasons he spent at StKilda but homesickness forced him to move back to Fremantle. Due to Black being out of contract Saints had little say in what they could receive in the trade. Fiora, whilst not being nearly as good as Black was has finally began taking the steps towards becoming an important player. Great Trade and Good Trade.


Trent Knobel – Traded by Brisbane with Draft Selection #49 for Draft Selection #45 – Nathan Clarke (#45), Andrew Welsh (#46), Simon Cox (#48), Josh Houlihan (#49) and Andrew Browne (#52) – Delisted/Quit at the conclusion of the 2004 Season – Knobel managed one season of consistent football at the Saints, the other two being marred by poor form and injuries. The club however was willing to keep him on board in 2005 but Knobel decided to go to the Tigers for more money. When compared to the amount of talent still left in the draft after Draft Selection #45 Knobel looks to be an absoulete dud. Poor Trade.


Barry Hall – Picked with Draft Selection #19 in 1995 – Nick Carter (#20), Clinton King (#21), Joe McLaren (#22), Jay Burton (#23), Paul Licuria (#24) and Kane Johnson (#27) – Traded to Sydney in 2001 with Draft Selection #53 for Draft Selections #13, #17 and #45 – Barry Hall and Daniel Hunt (#53) for Nick Dal Santo (#13), Heath Black and Trent Knobel. Considering the player he has become, at both StKilda and Sydney, the Saints did extremely well in selecting him at Draft Selection #19. The Saints did well in both exchanges. Excellent Pick and Great Trade.


Chris Oliver – Elevated from the Rookie List in 2001 – Delisted at the conclusion of the 2003 Season – Played ten games in three years as a backup ruckman. Poor Elevation.


Luke Penny – Traded by the Western Bulldogs in 2002 for Draft Selection #17 – Cameron Faulkner (#17), Kris Shore (#18), Troy Selwood (#19), Will Minson (#20), Bo Nixon (#21) and Jared Rivers (#26) – Retired at the conclusion of the 2005 Season – Penny was recruited to become StKilda’s number one key defender. However knee injuries destroyed his pace and he was often found trailing behind the quick leading forwards. I do doubt that, even forgetting his injury, Penny was never going to be able to hold his spot as a defender in the AFL due to the games changing demand for running defenders. Players such as Troy Selwood, Jared Rivers and Kade Simpson were still available at Draft Selection #17. Poor Trade.


Peter Everitt – Recruited from St Kilda’s VMFL Zone in 1993 – Traded to Hawthorn in 2002 for Draft Selections #6 and #22 – Whilst Everitt’s personal achievements at St Kilda were terrific, the team often seemed to ‘fail’ with him. So much failure became too much for Everitt so he decided to go to the Hawthorn, who at the time was always near the top of the ladder. Saints suddenly became a major premiership threat without Everitt and the Hawks fell nice and quickly down the ladder. The picks that we received for Everitt were not well used, selection #6 was on traded to Port Adelaide for Barry Brooks and selection #22 was used on Matthew Ferguson. Great Recruitment and Average Trade.


Stephen Powell – Picked with Pre-Season Draft Selection #1 in 2003 – Craig Bolton (#3), Brent Moloney (#4), Guy Rigoni (#5) and Luke Mullins (#7) – Retired at the conclusion of the 2006 Season – Powell was taken with the first Pre-Season Draft Selection in a relatively short and strong Pre-Season Draft. No denying the fact that Powell’s three seasons with the Saints were as strong as StKilda could’ve asked for but had the Saints picked up Brent Moloney, who is still playing this season or Craig Bolton, who has become one of the better key defenders in the league, the club would still be benefiting from this selection. Good Pick.


Brent Guerra – Traded by Port Adelaide in 2003 for Draft Selection #39 – Robert Foster-Knight (#39), Eddie Sandsbury (#40), Zac Dawson (#41), Matthew Spencer (#42), Ricky Dyson (#44) and Amon Buchanan (#45) – Delisted at the conclusion of the 2005 Season – At first the trade appeared to be a masterstroke as Guerra stared throughout St Kilda’s ten game winning streak but then, once the pressure was switched on, Guerra disappeared which confirmed most people thoughts on him being a “plays while your winning but crumbles when the pressure’s onâ€