Maguire to Hawthorn?

rodgerfox · Post: # 463144Post **rodgerfox** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 10:42am

carn_sainter wrote:I rarely believe rumors like this and rarely pay them attention...but Goose is an interesting one for me

If we do lose him, we're losing a very important position but not a very special player

In my observation, he has real attitude problems and i really don't like his approach

Probably owing to his injury he relies on trying to get away with breaking the rules

At his peak in 2004 and 2005 he was really good - standing up taking great intercepting marks, reading the play and keeping up with his opponent...if we were talking about 2004 matt maguire we're on the verge of losing i'd be shattered

Since it's 2007, i'm not worried about losing Matt Maguire, i'm worried about losing our CHB...there is a difference

Goose is a player who needs to be in a winning or almost dominant team to be a good player...he is largely unaccountable and slack and needs to have the opposition's midfield under the hammer to play well

He is a symptom of success, not a cause

If we had or could get an adequate replacement at CHB for season 2008, i wouldn't mind much

he has some mental aspects of his game which need ironing out straight away

if he can iron them out, he's better than what we could get for him...but i have my doubts that he can

the only way he'll be playing well is if we're on top

You do know that he is 23, don't you?

bigcarl · Post: # 463156Post **bigcarl** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 11:04am

rodgerfox wrote:You do know that he is 23, don't you?

and will recover his pre-injury form sooner rather than later

carn_sainter · Tue 25 Sep 2007 11:20am

If Maguire wants to be paid more than the club wanna pay him and/or if maguire doesn't wanna be a saint and we can get a good replacement - meaning CHB - for him, then there is no big deal in losing matt maguire

his value depends on the form of the rest of the team whereas, say, the form of the team can depend on the form of riewoldt

i find it hard to believe that lyon - who has preached nothing but the value of key defenders - would want to underpay him but matt maguire has a lot of question marks over him

he had a long time to improve during 2007 and did not improve...i dont mean didn't get back to his best, that would have been unrealistic, but he basically did not improve at all...

i was unimpressed by goose and see no point in straining ourselves to keep him if we can get a replacement

i dont advocate delisting him, trading him for ben mcglynn or letting him go to the PSD

Joffa Burns · Tue 25 Sep 2007 11:20am

Maguire is a good quality AFL footballer and we don't want to lose him...but he is not an AFL gun!

If and only If conjecture is correct.

If he wants to go, let's get the best deal available.
Hawthorn have to trade a good quality player to get a good quality player, other than that he is off to Richmond via the PSD.

Straight swap Jordan Lewis for Goose, or Brad Sewell for Goose.

Anything more than that and we are dreaming, anything less and we have caved in.

If he going to walk out make a statement saints.

rodgerfox · Post: # 463172Post **rodgerfox** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 11:33am

Joffa Burns wrote:Maguire is a good quality AFL footballer and we don't want to lose him...but he is not an AFL gun!

I think he is.

He had OP, then broke his leg, then cracked his foot.

If he plays at the level he showed during these injuries, then you're right - he's not a gun.

If he plays anywhere near the level he did when he was fit - he is a deadset gun.

Look at guys like Ottens and Lade who had injuries and weren't rated through their recovery periods.

Losing a 23yo CHB with Goose's ability would be a disaster.

Dan Warna · Post: # 463253Post **Dan Warna** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 1:40pm

ok how many power defenders are as good or better than goose at his best and fit?

glass, james clement, cornes, Croad, scarlett?

maybe a couple more...

Maguire is probably in the top 10 for power defenders, probably closer to top 5.

so he isn't the perfect unit and has flaws in his game, but there aren't that many who could walk in and replace him, and if there were, every club would have a couple like him...

its not like some 17 year old rookie is going to come in and hold down CHB...

CURLY · Post: # 463268Post **CURLY** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 2:08pm

Goose would hold down key back in any of the other 15 sides in the comp yet people are willing to trade him for players who cant get a game at Hawthorn. If you look a the ratio of key position players to mid fielders Gooses value has to be two starting 18 players without a doubt.

busso mick · Post: # 463290Post **busso mick** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 2:33pm

Dan Warna wrote:ok how many power defenders are as good or better than goose at his best and fit?

glass, james clement, cornes, Croad, scarlett?

maybe a couple more...

Maguire is probably in the top 10 for power defenders, probably closer to top 5.

so he isn't the perfect unit and has flaws in his game, but there aren't that many who could walk in and replace him, and if there were, every club would have a couple like him...

its not like some 17 year old rookie is going to come in and hold down CHB...

It really begs the question why the Hawks are chasing Maguire when Croad has been a good player for them since coming back from the Dockers. Is suppose its an age thing, but on this year form Maguire would be lucky to get a game with the Hawks.

CURLY · Post: # 463293Post **CURLY** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 2:36pm

Is that a joke? Goose wouldnt get a game at the Hawkes seriously he would walk into every side let alone a side as weak in the air as Hawthorn

woooosaints · Tue 25 Sep 2007 3:10pm

are you guys retards we are only talking about trading goose if he doesnt want to sign if you want to watch walk through the psd go ahead

rodgerfox · Post: # 463326Post **rodgerfox** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 3:11pm

woooosaints wrote:are you guys retards we are only talking about trading goose if he doesnt want to sign if you want to watch walk through the psd go ahead

You may be.

Others are talking of using Goose as bait. Others have stated he's a plodder who is well and truly expendable.

markinUSA · Post: # 463346Post **markinUSA** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 3:30pm

Can someone tell me - is he back from the holiday that he was reported to be on? If so, is he expected to sign again soon? Is that a realistic thing, or was that a PR stunt by his manager? Does anyone actually know?

st_Trav_ofWA · Tue 25 Sep 2007 4:35pm

i think ppl are losing the point on this i dont think goose is a star player he is servicable and he should be retained on the list but like akland if he gets offers for more $ else where hes not in the eleite that we would be trying to match it it comes down to goose if he wants the big $$ hell get them else where if he wants to stay a saint he can but if hes going we aint gunna let an ackland happen with him going without us being compensated

Beej · Post: # 463382Post **Beej** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 4:40pm

st_Trav_ofWA wrote:i think ppl are losing the point on this i dont think goose is a star player he is servicable and he should be retained on the list but like akland if he gets offers for more $ else where hes not in the eleite that we would be trying to match it it comes down to goose if he wants the big $$ hell get them else where if he wants to stay a saint he can but if hes going we aint gunna let an ackland happen with him going without us being compensated

*out of breath*

st_Trav_ofWA · Tue 25 Sep 2007 4:47pm

OLB wrote:
st_Trav_ofWA wrote:i think ppl are losing the point on this i dont think goose is a star player he is servicable and he should be retained on the list but like akland if he gets offers for more $ else where hes not in the eleite that we would be trying to match it it comes down to goose if he wants the big $$ hell get them else where if he wants to stay a saint he can but if hes going we aint gunna let an ackland happen with him going without us being compensated
*out of breath*

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Mr Magic · Post: # 463398Post **Mr Magic** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 4:51pm

Has anybody actually heard/seen Goose or his manager, or his mother/father/brother/sister/cousin.niece.nephew/grandfather/grandmother etc actually say anyhting about not re-signing?

Is this thread and all the others about Goose based purely on speculation?

SaintWodonga · Tue 25 Sep 2007 5:00pm

Mr Magic wrote:Has anybody actually heard/seen Goose or his manager, or his mother/father/brother/sister/cousin.niece.nephew/grandfather/grandmother etc actually say anyhting about not re-signing?

Is this thread and all the others about Goose based purely on speculation?

IMO, it's all speculation. However, his signing in the next couple days (if it were to happen) would end this. I hate all this trade speculation. Goose is currently a Saint until something official happens.

Dan Warna · Post: # 463416Post **Dan Warna** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 5:04pm

SaintWodonga wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:Has anybody actually heard/seen Goose or his manager, or his mother/father/brother/sister/cousin.niece.nephew/grandfather/grandmother etc actually say anyhting about not re-signing?

Is this thread and all the others about Goose based purely on speculation?
IMO, it's all speculation. However, his signing in the next couple days (if it were to happen) would end this. I hate all this trade speculation. Goose is currently a Saint until something official happens.

nice photo in you avatar, geez the old fella looks like he's got a tree trunks for legs and arms.

concur, Im predominantly arguing that Goose is going to be hard to replace in our team.

and while he does have flaws, fully fit he is a fine player and folks here are underselling him quite a bit.

bigcarl · Post: # 463427Post **bigcarl** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 5:20pm

rodgerfox wrote:
Joffa Burns wrote:Maguire is a good quality AFL footballer and we don't want to lose him...but he is not an AFL gun!

If he plays anywhere near the level he did when he was fit - he is a deadset gun. Losing a 23yo CHB with Goose's ability would be a disaster.

i agree. people are overlooking how good goose has been in the past. if we let him go without putting up a fight it will come back to bite us on the a#se in a big way. he's likely to smash us over the next 10 years.

strong enough in the air to play chf for us too if we wanted roo to play ff and ruck kosi.

SaintWodonga · Tue 25 Sep 2007 5:30pm

Let's not forget he (Goose) would be one of our longest kicks...

Unforgiven · Post: # 463452Post **Unforgiven** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 5:42pm

SaintWodonga wrote:Let's not forget he (Goose) would be one of our longest kicks...

Yeah but it's not like he is that valuable of a long kick. A lot of them are just long kicks to 50/50 places not to advantage.

All in all it would be a big loos to loose the services of the Goose, When fit and firing he has an important spot on the team. Hopefuly will be there next year

saintbrat · Post: # 463461Post **saintbrat** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 5:48pm

Mr Magic wrote:Has anybody actually heard/seen Goose or his manager, or his mother/father/brother/sister/cousin.niece.nephew/grandfather/grandmother etc actually say anyhting about not re-signing?

Is this thread and all the others about Goose based purely on speculation?

this was posted on Friday and heard by several I believe
From Matty

Posted: Fri 21 Sep 2:16 pm Post subject:
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Goose was on radio this morning calling up from Thailand and when asked about playing for the Saints next year he said you can pretty much count on it. Wanted to go away and relax on holidays first and work out the final points of the contract when he's back next week.

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all other is speculation- although there are such things as managers doing their best .................. who may believe we have space in salary cap.

maverick · Post: # 463463Post **maverick** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 5:50pm

CURLY wrote:Is that a joke? Goose wouldnt get a game at the Hawkes seriously he would walk into every side let alone a side as weak in the air as Hawthorn

Wouldn't get a game before Hunter and Glass at West Coast or Egan and Scarlett at the Cats or Bolton and Barry at the Swans or Bock and Rutten at the Crows for starters.....

rodgerfox · Post: # 463465Post **rodgerfox** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 5:52pm

maverick wrote:
CURLY wrote:Is that a joke? Goose wouldnt get a game at the Hawkes seriously he would walk into every side let alone a side as weak in the air as Hawthorn
Wouldn't get a game before Hunter and Glass at West Coast or Egan and Scarlett at the Cats or Bolton and Barry at the Swans or Bock and Rutten at the Crows for starters.....

Not on last years form.

But how many of them had a broken leg followed by a broken foot?

Mr Magic · Post: # 463468Post **Mr Magic** » Tue 25 Sep 2007 5:55pm

saintbrat wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:Has anybody actually heard/seen Goose or his manager, or his mother/father/brother/sister/cousin.niece.nephew/grandfather/grandmother etc actually say anyhting about not re-signing?

Is this thread and all the others about Goose based purely on speculation?
this was posted on Friday and heard by several I believe
From Matty
Posted: Fri 21 Sep 2:16 pm Post subject:
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Goose was on radio this morning calling up from Thailand and when asked about playing for the Saints next year he said you can pretty much count on it. Wanted to go away and relax on holidays first and work out the final points of the contract when he's back next week.
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all other is speculation- although there are such things as managers doing their best .................. who may believe we have space in salary cap.

So based on 'whispers' St Noodles heard we have had 72 posts and over 2440 views on this thread alone about Goose going to Hawthorn when the only categorical comments made publicly by Goose or anybody else in a position to know was to the contrary?

I cannot wait for Trade Week to start. This place will surely go into 'meltdown' with new rumours being commented on every 5 minutes or so.