Our Next Full Forward

[mad saint guy]

What about Goose for Fev?

Would you rather 8 years of service from a quality big-bodied defender (a position we are sorely lacking in), or 3 years from an unreliable, moronic full-forward that brings bad attention to the club?

[fonz_#15]

its all kosi's for the taking.

his contested marking skills are a fantastic tool for a full forward

[Eastern]

if gardiner plays the majority of the season...

it will be kosi...

Agreed !!

[saintrod]

Can't see Fev (who is contracted next year) leaving Carlton except if someone is stupid enough to pay Carlton way more than he is worth and given Carlton will have plenty of picks they will be looking for players (and Goose would not be enough for a trade)

Given that the full forward role will need to be picked up within the existing list. Also as Gardiner and Hamill can't be relied to be on the field at all next yearplanning has to assume they are not going to be there.

This means IMO Kosi can't be considered for the role in 07 (unless we pick up another ruck propsect). Kosi also plays his best footy playing on the ruck and moving forward.

Unfortunately IMO this means that I think both Brooks and Watts will be retained on the list to fight out for the role however I don't think for different reasons either of them are up to the job and I suspect both will be delisted in 08.

[evertonfc]

Great thread - such an important issue, because it brings up another big issue as well.

Should we go for Fev? Absolutely, he'd be sensational. But the asking price would be a first and second round pick. We couldn't match what other clubs would be willing to pay. Make no mistakes, the Bulldogs will offer a big, big offer to get him on their books - probably their first pick + McMahon. Can we match that? Probably not.

I believe Justin Koschitzke is actually not showing his full worth to us in the ruck. He's a good ruckman, maybe even just handy, but a potentially brilliant full-forward.

And let me back that up by saying he's not just full of potential there, he's actually done it quite a few times now. The way he carved up Glass at Subiaco was proof that he's the man.

However, this means we simply have to recruit a top-notch ruckman.

Jamie Charman is my top pick. He'd be great and could go slightly below his trade value. 26 and out of contract - well, if our second pick is 24 or so, it could be enough. I'm loathe to trade picks, but he'd be a great get.

I wouldn't want to trade second rounder for Jolly - and I doubt our third round pick (40-ish) would get him.

I believe, however, that Fergus Watts simply must make the grade next year. After two years on our list, he's not done enough - probably through lack of opportunity - and he will get ample chances next year through injuries to Riewoldt/Kosi/Maguire.

At this stage, he's not first choice in our starting 22. However, he's now on the fringe, like it or not. Let's hope he wants to succeed as much as we need him too.

If we do the right things at trade week, I'm confident we can soften the blow of Gehrig leaving, and possibly turn it into a positive.

[ausfatcat]

agree everton it all comes down to price. To get a replacement FF either kosi (via Charmen) or fev. I'd take Charmen.


Did anyone else here Voss talk about Charmen? Gave the impression he's a real possiblity of leaving.

[woooosaints]

if we trade for fevola i will be hugely dissapointed

[bigcarl]

I believe Justin Koschitzke is actually not showing his full worth to us in the ruck. He's a good ruckman, maybe even just handy, but a potentially brilliant full-forward.

exactly. he's potentially a very dangerous match-winner for us there.
there is no-one better qualified. find another ruckman

[bigcarl]

What about Goose for Fev?

no. goose is better than what his performances since his comeback from a broken leg suggest. it's a trade that would come back to haunt us imo

anyhow, kosi is potentially a better full-forward than fev.

more explosive and doesn't rely on pinpoint disposal because of his ability to take pack marks. he's more like a lockett than a dunstall.

[Unforgiven]

The Ferg Berger, big Watts down there at FF will go very nicely. Ideally I think Kosi would be a better Full Forward, but we all know the ruck situation. If there was a god, the team would go like this

1st Ruck: Gardiner
2nd Ruck: Kosi

Fullforward: Watts
CHF: Roo

Both Kosi and Gardiner can roatate forward, nick can go to a wing, and we can have 3 talls going etc etc.

[eppo67]

I would like Charman too guys but take it from me I am friends with a friend of his and he is not keen to leave Brisvegas.

I would go all out for Wood he is going to be a very solid running Ruckman.

Have it on good authority are open to trade with Wood but will want something substantial.

[The_Dud]

I think getting Fev would be the greatest thing for us. Imagine having Roey Kosi and Fev, and as a bonus he can actually kick straight where our forwards having being shocking this year. I know he has signed with the Blues but Fev is a dead eye and a character and our game needs the characters like Gehrig, Fev and Richo, it was a sad day yesterday losing one of the best characters in footy...

Sob sob

u r joking, right....?

Fev has a worse scoring accuracy that Riewoldt, Gehrig and Kosi

possibly the dumbest statement of the year......

[eppo67]

hey everyone i am eppo's daughter i just want to say that Frasier you will be well remembered you brang many good things to the STkilda football club your a champion! im so sad to have you go... Im a HUGE fan of the Saints and Frasier was DEFANATELY one of my fav players your a champion Frasier I LOVE YOU! Your the human gun Frasier you made Saints the way they are now Good luck!
GO THE SAINTS!

[Otiman]

I think that Watts' VFL form shows that he isn't up to it.

My idea is to play Brooks and Kosi as our Ruck duo, rotating through Ruck and FF. If (when) Gardiner is right, Kosi can stay as a permanent FF, and the second ruck spot can be fought out between Rix, Brooks and Van Rheenen.

[maverick]

What about Goose for Fev?

Would you rather 8 years of service from a quality big-bodied defender (a position we are sorely lacking in), or 3 years from an unreliable, moronic full-forward that brings bad attention to the club?

I'd rather 8 years of good service over 3 years of very good service, but I am not sure we will get good service from Goose, am very worried he is no longer up to it.

WOuld love to be wrong.

[st.mart]

Aaron Hamill will get the first crack IMO.....with Kosi next to him.....and Gardiner in the ruck.....

if Gardiner does not crack it........Brooks (who will be delisted) should be in reserve....

If Hamill does not make it back......F.Watts....

IMO

Clarke, Thompson, Gehrig, Voss, Sweeney, Raymond, Brroks are gone (Brooks a mistake)

McQualter, Gwilt and Ferg on thin ice

[saintsRrising]

Firstly Fev is not going to be traded to anyne. ratten is now the coach and wants him and will keep him..so end of story there.



Watts BIGGEST problem.......is that we have recruited him too late. SLOW moving big forwards CAN now be quite a liabilty if a GOOD opposition rebounds quickly.

Even Kosi can be exposed this way.... Watts is going to have to show that he can apply defensive pressure.

It is not enough to be a TARGET any more.

For Watts the FACT that Kosi will be in the 22 is a drawback.....for as forwards they would play similar roles.

OWTS point on Allen is agood one....BUT he is young.....and raw....

Brooks is actually a better fit than Watts...but is lazy and has not applied himself as much as he coud......and i think that this quite rightly has put him on the oute with his coaches past and present. He has lacked the HUNGER....and I think that this is why PA gave him the fick. Will the Gtrain having retired cause hi to lift???? It may be too late.


Hamill...if fit...I want as the third forward which wasa major are of lack in 2008. I think that if Hamill drew the best defender in 2008 I think he would struggle.


So no Gardi....watts is likely to get the gig.

With Gardi...it looks like it will be Kosi....


However if both scenarios I think it is vital that Roo rotates through FF as well....to share the load with them.

[stinger]

fevola is a d*ckhead and just what this club doesn't need.

you got that right...anyway butters stated on the radio that the feeling around the club is that it has to recruit youth ...not f-wits......

[goodie]

Brooks is actually a better fit than Watts...but is lazy and has not applied himself as much as he coud......and i think that this quite rightly has put him on the oute with his coaches past and present. He has lacked the HUNGER....and I think that this is why PA gave him the fick. Will the Gtrain having retired cause hi to lift???? It may be too late.

I suspect Port gave him the flick because he was surplus and we made them an incredibly generous offer

[St. Luke]

I know he hasn't got the body of a full forward yet, but Sam Gilbert is tall, fast and accurate. It would only take for him to make a good lead which wouldn't be too hard considering his pace....thoughts anyone??

[Statsman]

I mentioned Gilbert earlier as a left field option. He's got the pace on the lead, but would struggle to out mark the key defenders in a one-on-one contest. If we did play Gilbert from the goal square he'd have to be a different kind of full forward. Hawthorn went left field for a while with Mark Williams and that worked. However I can't see Gilbert as a serious option.

[bigcarl]

I know he hasn't got the body of a full forward yet, but Sam Gilbert is tall, fast and accurate. It would only take for him to make a good lead which wouldn't be too hard considering his pace....thoughts anyone??

yeah. he's the type of player who can play virtually anywhere. tall quick and strong. in the past couple of weeks he's been mentioned as a possible full-back, full-forward, winger or on-baller. i reckon he could do any of the above.

he reminds me of a younger gehrig, in fact. an awkward proposition for any opponent

[saintsRrising]

Gilbert at FF would fail to fully exploit one of his greatest assests....his tackling.

It would add to our forward pressure though.....

I am currently thinking of Gilbert as our next likely FB to replace Max....

Sam and Mguire do not have the pace to handle fast leading FFs.

Gilbert at FB could provide pleanty of Dash..a bit like the David Dench (North Melbourne) of old.

[Sainterman]

Didn't Goose come across as a forward in the first instance. What about making him into a Barry Hall style leading FF? Just a thought....

[St DAC]

Goose doesn't have the pace for that role.