Brooks vs Rix vs m Clarke

[saintsRrising]

Keep hearing various opinions about who of these 3 would be best in the ruck for us.

So question to those who go to training...

I am assuming that there are ruck duels at training occassionally.

If so...of these 3....who wins the duels at training???

[The_Dud]

i don't go to training, but my opinion would be

ruck skills - Clarke > Rix > Brooks

disposal - Brooks > Rix > Clarke

effort - Rix >Clarke > Brooks

overall - Rix >Clarke > Brooks

[Carl Mynott]

The fact we are trying to put 3 absolute GOP's in the correct order helps us all understand why we are battling for 8th spot and not battling for top spot.....

[Dan Warna]

i don't go to training, but my opinion would be

ruck skills - Clarke > Rix > Brooks

disposal - Brooks > Rix > Clarke

effort - Rix >Clarke > Brooks

overall - Rix >Clarke > Brooks

haven't seen rix get a mention in the local rag or be in the best for scorps...

clarke? may have been good once.

effort? how can you judge if you haven't see the scorps? really?

brooks gets mention after mention for the past 3 months in the local rag.

concur rix>clarke.

but rix > tall lampshade on wheels>clarke

[evertonfc]

but rix > tall lampshade on wheels > clarke

At least the lamp probably has an 'on' setting. Clarke's is well and truly rusted through.

[plugger66]

i don't go to training, but my opinion would be

ruck skills - Clarke > Rix > Brooks

disposal - Brooks > Rix > Clarke

effort - Rix >Clarke > Brooks

overall - Rix >Clarke > Brooks

haven't seen rix get a mention in the local rag or be in the best for scorps...

clarke? may have been good once.

effort? how can you judge if you haven't see the scorps? really?

brooks gets mention after mention for the past 3 months in the local rag.

concur rix>clarke.

but rix > tall lampshade on wheels>clarke

Brooks should be compared to G, Rooy and Kosi and thats why he doesnt get a game.

[The_Dud]

i don't go to training, but my opinion would be

ruck skills - Clarke > Rix > Brooks

disposal - Brooks > Rix > Clarke

effort - Rix >Clarke > Brooks

overall - Rix >Clarke > Brooks

haven't seen rix get a mention in the local rag or be in the best for scorps...

clarke? may have been good once.

effort? how can you judge if you haven't see the scorps? really?

brooks gets mention after mention for the past 3 months in the local rag.

concur rix>clarke.

but rix > tall lampshade on wheels>clarke

i've seen all 3 play at VFL and AFL level, and in this thread i'm judging them as ruckmen, as was asked

Rix has been in the best for the scorps a number of times, maybe not as many times as Brooks, but i'd say this is becasue hes spending more time playing at AFL level, unlike Brooks....

the last VFL game i saw us play against Tasmania, i saw Brooks flogged in the ruck a number of times by the nobody Tasmania ruckman

so to repeat myself (after seeing each play at AFL and VFL level)

effort - Rix > Clarke > Brooks

overall - Rix > Clarke > Brooks

[congorozides]

The fact we are trying to put 3 absolute GOP's in the correct order helps us all understand why we are battling for 8th spot and not battling for top spot.....

What is a GOP?

Point taken - Lets be honest with ourselves they are all hacks.

I want Lasar Vidovich back. He was awesome!

We really need Gardner to be good for us. He is a talent but can someone make sure he stays off the party juice?

[st.mart]

Yeah, 90 games in 10 seasons, he was a jet.......F*** we overrate players here.......anyone outside of St.K would remember him as a hack.....at best he was a back up to a young spida......at more often than not just a reserves player......Lazar was NO gun...

[evertonfc]

Yeah, 90 games in 10 seasons, he was a jet.......F*** we overrate players here.......anyone outside of St.K would remember him as a hack.....at best he was a back up to a young spida......at more often than not just a reserves player......Lazar was NO gun...

According to some, apparently Matthew Ferguson, Justin Sweeney, Clint Jones and Barry Brooks are all 'jets' or on the verge of being 'awesome players'...despite the fact they'd probably get delisted by Carlton right now.

[saintsrule]

Yeah, 90 games in 10 seasons, he was a jet.......F*** we overrate players here.......anyone outside of St.K would remember him as a hack.....at best he was a back up to a young spida......at more often than not just a reserves player......Lazar was NO gun...

According to some, apparently Matthew Ferguson, Justin Sweeney, Clint Jones and Barry Brooks are all 'jets' or on the verge of being 'awesome players'...despite the fact they'd probably get delisted by Carlton right now.

If Clarke was still 22-29 he would be one of the best ruckman in the league

[evertonfc]

Yeah, 90 games in 10 seasons, he was a jet.......F*** we overrate players here.......anyone outside of St.K would remember him as a hack.....at best he was a back up to a young spida......at more often than not just a reserves player......Lazar was NO gun...

According to some, apparently Matthew Ferguson, Justin Sweeney, Clint Jones and Barry Brooks are all 'jets' or on the verge of being 'awesome players'...despite the fact they'd probably get delisted by Carlton right now.

If Clarke was still 22-29 he would be one of the best ruckman in the league

Outside of some homework specials, given the fact Clarke was 22 in 1995, this is the most pointless post I have ever seen on this site.

[Saints Premiers 2008]

Yeah, 90 games in 10 seasons, he was a jet.......F*** we overrate players here.......anyone outside of St.K would remember him as a hack.....at best he was a back up to a young spida......at more often than not just a reserves player......Lazar was NO gun...

According to some, apparently Matthew Ferguson, Justin Sweeney, Clint Jones and Barry Brooks are all 'jets' or on the verge of being 'awesome players'...despite the fact they'd probably get delisted by Carlton right now.

If Clarke was still 22-29 he would be one of the best ruckman in the league

yeh but he isn't even close to 29

fergo would be chilling on the half back line for carlton earning a cool 200 g's yearly

sweeney would be ahead of eddie betts who is terrible

jones would be 'tearing up the wings' in tandom with carrazzo

and barry brooks would be the first choice ruckmen ahead of the obviousy hackland...

oh how the might have fallen and i love it

[vacuous space]

According to some, apparently Matthew Ferguson, Justin Sweeney, Clint Jones and Barry Brooks are all 'jets' or on the verge of being 'awesome players'...despite the fact they'd probably get delisted by Carlton right now.

According to whom? I haven't seen a single post on here referring to them as 'jets' or saying that they're on the verge of being 'awesome players'. More often you see posts talking about how we're going to delist half the team because they're just not good enough.

[evertonfc]

According to some, apparently Matthew Ferguson, Justin Sweeney, Clint Jones and Barry Brooks are all 'jets' or on the verge of being 'awesome players'...despite the fact they'd probably get delisted by Carlton right now.

According to whom? I haven't seen a single post on here referring to them as 'jets' or saying that they're on the verge of being 'awesome players'. More often you see posts talking about how we're going to delist half the team because they're just not good enough.

I've seen plenty. Plenty.

I want a list that's competitve down to our 42nd player, not backended with dodgy 'project players' who coulda/shoulda/woulda but won't make it.

[Dan Warna]

I've seen plenty. Plenty.

I want a list that's competitve down to our 42nd player, not backended with dodgy 'project players' who coulda/shoulda/woulda but won't make it.

no team has a list like that.

mid season wCE minus a few players were exposed.

[SaintWodonga]

i don't go to training, but my opinion would be

ruck skills - Clarke > Rix > Brooks

disposal - Brooks > Rix > Clarke

effort - Rix >Clarke > Brooks

overall - Rix >Clarke > Brooks

I agree with your assesment Dud. I think your Avatar isn't quite the dud he was earlier in the year...

[evertonfc]

I've seen plenty. Plenty.

I want a list that's competitve down to our 42nd player, not backended with dodgy 'project players' who coulda/shoulda/woulda but won't make it.

no team has a list like that.

mid season wCE minus a few players were exposed.

Competitive is the key word - not worldbeaters.

You've missed the point entirely.

[saintsrule]

Yeah, 90 games in 10 seasons, he was a jet.......F*** we overrate players here.......anyone outside of St.K would remember him as a hack.....at best he was a back up to a young spida......at more often than not just a reserves player......Lazar was NO gun...

According to some, apparently Matthew Ferguson, Justin Sweeney, Clint Jones and Barry Brooks are all 'jets' or on the verge of being 'awesome players'...despite the fact they'd probably get delisted by Carlton right now.

If Clarke was still 22-29 he would be one of the best ruckman in the league

Outside of some homework specials, given the fact Clarke was 22 in 1995, this is the most pointless post I have ever seen on this site.

I am saying if he WAS!! not that he is

[evertonfc]

Yeah, 90 games in 10 seasons, he was a jet.......F*** we overrate players here.......anyone outside of St.K would remember him as a hack.....at best he was a back up to a young spida......at more often than not just a reserves player......Lazar was NO gun...

According to some, apparently Matthew Ferguson, Justin Sweeney, Clint Jones and Barry Brooks are all 'jets' or on the verge of being 'awesome players'...despite the fact they'd probably get delisted by Carlton right now.

If Clarke was still 22-29 he would be one of the best ruckman in the league

Outside of some homework specials, given the fact Clarke was 22 in 1995, this is the most pointless post I have ever seen on this site.

I am saying if he WAS!! not that he is

Yeah, I understand, but my above observations remain accurate.

[Spinner]

i don't go to training, but my opinion would be

ruck skills - Clarke > Rix > Brooks

disposal - Brooks > Rix > Clarke

effort - Rix >Clarke > Brooks

overall - Rix >Clarke > Brooks

Surely Ruck Skills and Disposel isnt of the same WORTH as effort.


Ruck Skills - 500 points

Disposal - 350 points

Effort - 8 points

Therefore overall it would be Brooks > Brooks > Brooks.

[mad saint guy]

Tapwork

1. Clarke - Wins most of his contests and usually puts it to the right spot. Our midfielders aren't used to this and the amount of times they run over/past the ball absolutely s***s me. 7/10

=2. Rix/Brooks. Rix has poor tapwork. Probably wins more contests than Brooks, but a higher percentage of Brooks' hitouts go to advantage. Neither are good tap ruckmen. 4/10

Around the ground contribution

1. Brooks - Has beautiful skills, is a strong contested mark and reads the play well. Can go forward and kick goals or fill a hole in defence. 7.5/10

2. Clarke - Doesn't get a lot of the ball, but his skills are ok and he generally positions himself well. Is absolutely useless at ground level though. 5/10

3. Rix - Poor kick, ordinary mark, poor reader of the play. Hardly touches the ball and lets his opponent run loose. 3/10

[plugger66]

Tapwork

1. Clarke - Wins most of his contests and usually puts it to the right spot. Our midfielders aren't used to this and the amount of times they run over/past the ball absolutely s***s me. 7/10

=2. Rix/Brooks. Rix has poor tapwork. Probably wins more contests than Brooks, but a higher percentage of Brooks' hitouts go to advantage. Neither are good tap ruckmen. 4/10

Around the ground contribution

1. Brooks - Has beautiful skills, is a strong contested mark and reads the play well. Can go forward and kick goals or fill a hole in defence. 7.5/10

2. Clarke - Doesn't get a lot of the ball, but his skills are ok and he generally positions himself well. Is absolutely useless at ground level though. 5/10

3. Rix - Poor kick, ordinary mark, poor reader of the play. Hardly touches the ball and lets his opponent run loose. 3/10

So we want a ruckman Clarke has it. I hope those points are against each other and not oyther players in the comp because they are way to high.

[mad saint guy]

So we want a ruckman Clarke has it. I hope those points are against each other and not oyther players in the comp because they are way to high.

For comparisons

Dean Cox
Tapwork - 9/10
Around the ground - 10/10

Jamie Charman
Tapwork - 7/10
Around the ground - 7.5/10

Darren Jolly
Tapwork - 8/10
Around the ground - 6.5/10

David Hille
Tapwork - 6/10
Around the ground - 6.5/10

Brendan Lade
Tapwork - 9.5/10
Around the ground - 6/10

Aaron Sandilands
Tapwork - 8.5/10
Around the ground - 6.5/10

Cain Ackland
Tapwork - 4/10
Around the ground - 5/10

Josh Fraser
Tapwork - 5.5/10
Around the ground - 8/10

[plugger66]

So we want a ruckman Clarke has it. I hope those points are against each other and not oyther players in the comp because they are way to high.

For comparisons

Dean Cox
Tapwork - 9/10
Around the ground - 10/10

Jamie Charman
Tapwork - 7/10
Around the ground - 7.5/10

Darren Jolly
Tapwork - 8/10
Around the ground - 6.5/10

David Hille
Tapwork - 6/10
Around the ground - 6.5/10

Brendan Lade
Tapwork - 9.5/10
Around the ground - 6/10

Aaron Sandilands
Tapwork - 8.5/10
Around the ground - 6.5/10

Cain Ackland
Tapwork - 4/10
Around the ground - 5/10

Josh Fraser
Tapwork - 5.5/10
Around the ground - 8/10

So around the ground Brooks who has played 8 games in 6 years is better thanmost ruckman. Please look through both eyes.