Darren Jolly

[Animal Enclosure]

I read with interest in the little paper this morning that Darren Jolly is considering a move back to Melbourne (the first part of the article was about the swans being after Cameron Wood as a replacement). This would have to have the saints' brain trust talking.

With Jolly's past relationship to Lyon, you could suggest that we would be a real chance to gain his services.

Thoughts?

[plugger66]

I read with interest in the little paper this morning that Darren Jolly is considering a move back to Melbourne (the first part of the article was about the swans being after Cameron Wood as a replacement). This would have to have the saints' brain trust talking.

With Jolly's past relationship to Lyon, you could suggest that we would be a real chance to gain his services.

Thoughts?

Need another ordinary ruckman like I need piles.

[Dan Warna]

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How much better or worse is jolly to say knobel when we was with us? or hackland? or Clarke? or blake...

[Animal Enclosure]

I'd rate Jolly a damn side better than all of those nominated. A quality tap ruckman who isn't injury prone, can take a mark around the ground & kick straight. Not sure how that classifies as average Plugger. It surprises me that you two don't rate him.

[plugger66]

I'd rate Jolly a damn side better than all of those nominated. A quality tap ruckman who isn't injury prone, can take a mark around the ground & kick straight. Not sure how that classifies as average Plugger. It surprises me that you two don't rate him.

The problem is he gets one mark and one kick a game. Maybe thats a bit unfair but doesnt get enough of the ball.

[Total Awareness]

Jolly would have to be a lot better than any of those mentioned. And, like you say AE, he's not injury prone like some of our other ruckmen.

[Dan Warna]

I vaguelly remember a few articles re: brooks in the ruck and a comment by the casey coach saying how good brooks was in the ruck?!

again I don't go out to see the scorpians and the days of curtain raisers are long gone

so I ahve to opperate on vicarious information.

[saintsRrising]

Jolly's stats...

Description Date Opponent Result Kicks Hbl Disp Marks Goals Bhd Tkl HO FF FA Dream
Round 21 25th Aug Collingwood Loss 76-101 8 4 12 8 1 0 0 23 0 2 79
Round 20 18th Aug Brisbane Draw 63-63 10 3 13 7 0 0 2 24 2 0 91
Round 19 11th Aug St Kilda Win 82-65 11 1 12 6 0 3 1 14 2 5 61
Round 18 5th Aug Melbourne Win 112-64 7 2 9 3 2 0 2 11 0 5 50
Round 17 28th Jul Richmond Win 138-72 8 8 16 9 1 0 4 16 1 0 106
Round 16 21st Jul West Coast Loss 100-112 7 8 15 3 1 0 0 15 1 3 59
Round 15 15th Jul Carlton Win 162-100 10 0 10 7 1 0 3 22 2 2 87
Round 14 8th Jul Fremantle Win 89-61 4 1 5 0 0 0 4 21 0 0 51
Round 13 30th Jun Geelong Loss 69-87 4 1 5 2 1 1 1 12 1 2 38
Round 12 23rd Jun Collingwood Loss 57-76 2 4 6 1 0 0 1 24 1 2 40
Round 11 9th Jun Hawthorn Win 75-66 7 2 9 5 0 1 1 14 3 1 59
Round 10 2nd Jun Essendon Loss 73-74 3 3 6 2 0 0 1 21 1 1 44
Round 9 27th May Western Bulldogs Win 100-57 9 0 9 5 3 0 3 13 2 0 87
Round 8 20th May Port Adelaide Win 118-87 9 0 9 4 1 0 2 17 1 2 65
Round 7 12th May St Kilda Loss 71-97 4 1 5 1 0 0 2 24 2 2 45
Round 6 5th May Kangaroos Loss 95-111 10 3 13 5 1 0 1 25 3 1 86
Round 5 28th Apr Melbourne Win 109-60 7 4 11 3 1 0 5 34 1 1 96
Round 4 21st Apr Adelaide Loss 44-61 10 2 12 7 2 0 4 13 2 0 98
Round 3 15th Apr Brisbane Win 96-69 9 5 14 3 0 1 6 33 0 0 104
Round 2 7th Apr Richmond Win 88-72 7 5 12 6 1 0 0 24 0 0 79
Round 1 31st Mar West Coast Loss 73-74 4 3 7 3 0 1 2 24 2 3 53

[Dan Warna]

very rix like stats.

then again you have to actually watch him play to see if he has any effect...

I can't say I've noticed him much.

[Saints Premiers 2008]

sydney has developed him into a superb ruckman in my opinion and one consantly gets first hand on the ball for his mid's

however with kosi, a theorectically fully fit gardiner and rix along with blake if worst comes to worst...do we really need him??

must would depend on jkosi and where he is best suited...personally i like kosi as a pinch hitting ruckman and a bit of a floater...his high-flying marks both down back and up forward prove this...he is also a super linkman due to his long and accurate kicking...

how old is jolly???26ish???

would we get 5 years out of him???

[Behind Play]

what about Kosi at FF and Roo at CHF?

[Dan Warna]

sydney has developed him into a superb ruckman in my opinion and one consantly gets first hand on the ball for his mid's

however with kosi, a theorectically fully fit gardiner and rix along with blake if worst comes to worst...do we really need him??

must would depend on jkosi and where he is best suited...personally i like kosi as a pinch hitting ruckman and a bit of a floater...his high-flying marks both down back and up forward prove this...he is also a super linkman due to his long and accurate kicking...

how old is jolly???26ish???

would we get 5 years out of him???

again not having seen much of him, the numbers indicate he doesn't mark, or link very often.

[Animal Enclosure]

A potential combo of Jolly & Gardiner would be pretty sweet. Kosi up forward would scare the bejeezus out of sides. I know Kos is great around the ground but if I was an opposition supporter I know where I rather see Kosi line up...and it's not deep in the forward line.

Of course the cost of getting him is a totally different thing...Saints have a good trading relationship with the Swans, unlike Hawthorn & Collingwood who have alienated just about everyone.

[Dan Warna]

Of course the cost of getting him is a totally different thing...Saints have a good trading relationship with the Swans,.

yes they have a look at our list, take what they like and give us a load of codswallop in return....

sydney are coming, bend over!

[Sainternist]

we need a new young up and coming ruckman, not another dinosaur.

well, at least imo.

[Otiman]

I hope we don't start getting the Sydney rejects, a bit like we did with Watson and players of his 'era'.

[Animal Enclosure]

Fair enough Dan, they took Plugger & Barry when we probably would have wanted to keep them but we got Jack Daniels back!

My point being, the trading relationship is ok whereas other clubs try to screw everyone else so they can say they 'won'. Chris Pelchen of Hawthorn being a reasonable example.

I reckon Jolly is worth a go, personally think he is a dinosaur or a swans reject...he wants to come home to melbourne according to the report. We still need a decent ruckman & I was just putting forward my opinion.

BTW, there's no way I'd part with a 1st round pick & even a 2nd rounder might be a stretch.

[gosaints]

Jolly is 25/6, averages 10 disposals, 4 marks, 2 tackles and 20 hitouts a game and shares half the time with Spider....

Personally I think he is a very good young ruckman who would look great in the red,white and black.

[SaintWodonga]

we need a new young up and coming ruckman, not another dinosaur.

well, at least imo.

Agree... With still have MG for 2008, so I think we don't need a recycled ruckman (unless Cox wants to be swapped for M. Clarke).

[Dan Warna]

1. I have no problem with screwing opposition clubs over. TBH we got screwed by sydney and Freo and adelaide after we treated heath black and begley with respect. Freo knew thus and pharked us around.

2. Sydney pharked us around (obrien, lockett, hall)

in fairness we screwed Footscray over penny (and how they laughed when his career ended early (assholes while I think we did treat footscray badly who laughs when a decent kids career is affected with career ending injuries and emotional stress???!)) and we screwed brisbane over v2 (they were pissed), although we did give pick 4 for hamill (and they blame us for them drafting livingstone ><)

[Otiman]

Kosi
Rix
Gardiner
Brooks
Van Rheenen
Clarke*
Blake+

* Gone after this year
+ Not really a ruckman but can if necessary

This year, that's 6 ruckmen on our list. We cannot afford to have more than 5 ruckmen on our list, IMO. Especially when a few are GOP at best.

If (and I think we should count on it) Gardiner plays 18+ games in 2008, then we won't need Rix and/or Brooks.

Van Rheenen won't be elevated next year, but should develop a lot in the VFL and may push for elevation if Brooks is delisted and Gardiner is injured.

[plugger66]

Kosi
Rix
Gardiner
Brooks
Van Rheenen
Clarke*
Blake+

* Gone after this year
+ Not really a ruckman but can if necessary

This year, that's 6 ruckmen on our list. We cannot afford to have more than 5 ruckmen on our list, IMO. Especially when a few are GOP at best.

If (and I think we should count on it) Gardiner plays 18+ games in 2008, then we won't need Rix and/or Brooks.

Van Rheenen won't be elevated next year, but should develop a lot in the VFL and may push for elevation if Brooks is delisted and Gardiner is injured.

How can we count on Gardiner playing 18 games when he has played about 15 in the last 3 years. Having said that Brooks will have to go this year. Not rated in RL opinion obviously.

[woooosaints]

brooks + 2nd round draft pick done deal

[Otiman]

How can we count on Gardiner playing 18 games when he has played about 15 in the last 3 years. Having said that Brooks will have to go this year. Not rated in RL opinion obviously.

Finally getting all the surgery he needs to fix his ongoing problems, once they are right, and if he gets a full preseason under his belt there's no reason he shouldn't play a large portion of the games. Obviously we wouldn't have signed him up for another year if this wasn't the case.

[plugger66]

brooks + 2nd round draft pick done deal

4th round and Phil Raymond. swans will jump at that.