Baker's case is underway - discussion

saintsRrising · Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:32pm

So no one actually sees Bakes do anything = suspended

ANYONE who watch the video saw Judd eye gouge (not to mention the Hawks player heard on audio pointing it out to ump = get off scott free.....

Kerr punches guy in nuts......says I was aiming for leg (still a punch is it not) = gets off scott free

Bakes swing in the air...hits nothing = suspension.

AFL is completely even handed = not

The_Dud · Post: # 438719Post **The_Dud** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:33pm

Krikkett wrote:Who has said that there isn't video?

The AFL has stationary camera's with a wide view for umpire training...I'd suggest they picked up the incident.

the AFL has said there is no video, no such camera exists.....

St. Luke · Post: # 438720Post **St. Luke** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:33pm

Saints Premiers 2006 wrote:
yeh real smart

Same diff moron! re: no evidence!

Mr Magic · Post: # 438722Post **Mr Magic** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:33pm

sainter58 wrote:i posted it earlier. I saw what happened and he is guilty. You can all be judges but did any of you see the incident.

I DID

What you posted you saw doesn't apparently match what the AFL Freo evidence was.

How do you explain that difference?

Krikkett · Post: # 438723Post **Krikkett** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:34pm

The_Dud wrote:
Krikkett wrote:Who has said that there isn't video?

The AFL has stationary camera's with a wide view for umpire training...I'd suggest they picked up the incident.
the AFL has said there is no video, no such camera exists.....

No, channel 10 and other news media outlets have said that...not the AFL.

saint patrick · Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:34pm

Just got home to hear the verdict and are absolutely roppable

Heard the evidence coming through on SEN ON the way to the gym where the Freo runner said he didn't see the point of contact to which David Schwartz said "this is aa absolute joke and he must get off".

The club must appeal and if that fails it must go the legal process...

This decision threatens the very credibility of what was once a great game and competition...players just cannot be suispended on innuedo and hearsay....If this farcical decision stands I will walk away from this game for my sanity

Iceman234 · Post: # 438725Post **Iceman234** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:34pm

Saints Premiers 2006 wrote:i expected it...it would have been put up to the tribunal if there was nothing in the incident

and people should not get cranky at jeff farmer either...blood noses and being stunned on the ground doesnt happen over nothing...whether intentional or not

and no alcoholic jokes about farmer either...its been done to death

Actually being bloodied and laying in a pool of your own blood does sometimes occur because of your own stupid actions.

And proof read your line I bolded - it would never have been put up before the tribunal if there was nothing in it - which we are yet to find out because we haven't heard all the tribunal knew beforehand.

Will be interesting to read what the rat said tonight "via phone" after having no recollection earlier.

And why so touchy about Farmer's alcohol problem? We have no problem getting stuck into Cuz over his drug problem? Pretty sure both have admitted to it being an issue. I'm sure other supporters would get stuck into our blokes over lesser issues.

bigred · Post: # 438726Post **bigred** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:35pm

Typical.

Another foul tasting, fkn bile generating decision.

THis is another reason why I am lost to the AFL.

So over it.

Hall can do what he wants, the lions can do what they want....break Lenny's hand or Roo's shoulder....

but look out if a PART TIME Freo trainer dobs you in....

What a farce.

Media driven farce.

Face · Post: # 438727Post **Face** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:36pm

McMannus hit Farmer cause he wouldnt share the DRINKS bottle

Dan Warna · Post: # 438728Post **Dan Warna** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:37pm

scarlett v reiwoldt, whelan v ball, maguire v hall...

etc etc

|Andy| · Post: # 438729Post **|Andy|** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:37pm

wait...so has bakes been charged? or still at tribunal?

Solar · Post: # 438730Post **Solar** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:37pm

If it wasn't for the love of this club I would be watching something else, heck the netball is better then this now.

Might just head down to the rugby union sat night insteed.

Anyone want my membership, seriously sick to death of this s***!

Leo.J · Post: # 438732Post **Leo.J** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:38pm

sainter58 wrote:i posted it earlier. I saw what happened and he is guilty. You can all be judges but did any of you see the incident.

I DID

It doesn't really matter if you saw it, the afl need to be able to prove it, as opposed to Baker having to disprove it. From what we've heard they couldn't do that so it should of been thrown out.

I'm not doubting your word sainter58 the afl need to follow the correct proceedure, and again they haven't.

The AFL is a joke, and if the Saints don't at least try and fight this I will really struggle to renew my membership if the same board are running the show next year.

Grimfang · Post: # 438733Post **Grimfang** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:38pm

THERE WAS NO VIDEO EVIDENCE!! The AFL have admitted there is none.

The prosecutorial evidence was:-

Jeff Farmer - didn't see anyone and didn't know who made contact with him
Freo Trainer - didn't see the impact and was shown to have no real clue about what was going on.
Medical evidence - Farmer had a broken nose and concussion

Defence evidence:-

Baker's version of events. Ricky Nixon backing Baker's version of events. Medical evidence that Baker had a bump on the back of his skull consistent with Farmer running into him.

|Andy| · Post: # 438734Post **|Andy|** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:38pm

Solar wrote:If it wasn't for the love of this club I would be watching something else, heck the netball is better then this now.

Might just head down to the rugby union sat night insteed.

Anyone want my membership, seriously sick to death of this s***!

i want ur membership haha

Saints Premiers 2008 · Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:39pm

St. Luke wrote:
Saints Premiers 2006 wrote:
yeh real smart
Same diff moron! re: no evidence!

so you cannot see the difference between a game of football and a young child that is dead???

wow...isnt it past your bedtime little man???

off to beddybyebye's now...say goodnight to your mummy and daddy

Sainterman · Post: # 438737Post **Sainterman** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:39pm

What was that old saying, the fish rots at the head...think this is perfect when it comes to the AFL.

Oh When the Saints · Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:39pm

Guys, this is a warning.

Stop the baiting please.

If you disagree with someone, attack their view, not their person.

mcadam05 · Post: # 438740Post **mcadam05** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:40pm

sainter58 wrote:i posted it earlier. I saw what happened and he is guilty. You can all be judges but did any of you see the incident.

I DID

if he is Guilty what does nixon get out of going up and saying what he said?

Iceman234 · Post: # 438741Post **Iceman234** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:41pm

Grimfang wrote:THERE WAS NO VIDEO EVIDENCE!! The AFL have admitted there is none.

The prosecutorial evidence was:-

Jeff Farmer - didn't see anyone and didn't know made contact with him
Freo Trainer - didn't see the impact and was shown to have no real clue about what was going on.
Medical evidence - Farmer had a broken nose and concussion

Defence evidence:-

Baker's version of events. Ricky Nixon backing Baker's version of events. Medical evidence that Baker had a bump on the back of his skull consistent with Farmer running into him.

How's it go?

Better to hang an innocent man than hang no man at all.

Especially if he's wearing red, white and black.

Krikkett · Post: # 438742Post **Krikkett** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:41pm

Grimfang wrote:THERE WAS NO VIDEO EVIDENCE!! The AFL have admitted there is none.

The prosecutorial evidence was:-

Jeff Farmer - didn't see anyone and didn't know made contact with him
Freo Trainer - didn't see the impact and was shown to have no real clue about what was going on.
Medical evidence - Farmer had a broken nose and concussion

Defence evidence:-

Baker's version of events. Ricky Nixon backing Baker's version of events. Medical evidence that Baker had a bump on the back of his skull consistent with Farmer running into him.

Really?

...I doubt that very much.

Stephen Theodore · Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:41pm

F-ckin joke.

Solar · Post: # 438744Post **Solar** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:41pm

Oh When the Saints wrote:Guys, this is a warning.

Stop the baiting please.

If you disagree with someone, attack their view, not their person.

why we copped it all night from plugger66 about how holier then thou he was because he believed in the process and those who disagreed lacked brains.....

I want to hear him now, was that a fair hearing?

saintbrat · Post: # 438748Post **saintbrat** » Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:43pm

Leo.J wrote: The AFL is a joke, and if the Saints don't at least try and fight this I will really struggle to renew my membership if the same board are running the show next year.

IF it's an AFL memebrship and NOT a d Saints memebrship then yes get rid of it- PUT all your funds into the Saints.

Behind Play · Tue 21 Aug 2007 9:43pm

I have been thinking and reading about tonights decision by the tribunal on one of ours again.
I have decided that if the St Kilda football club lays down and does nothing on this occasion, as they have previously, it is time for me after 40+ years to give the club and the game away.
I really cannot put up with any more garbage that is thrown our way, especially against Freo.
The AFL themselves actually need to step in here and ask questions, on how the tribunal reached such a decision.

Baker's case is underway - discussion

I saw it too!