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The Academy and Father Son Piss take

Post: # 2082898Post CURLY »

Brisbane win the flag and essentially get two top ten picks. In return they hand over a pile of garbage late picks.

This really has to stop to at least try and look like a equitable competition.


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

Post: # 2082900Post diddley »

I think the president of our club should say something publicly


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

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CURLY wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:05am Brisbane win the flag and essentially get two top ten picks. In return they hand over a pile of garbage late picks.

This really has to stop to at least try and look like a equitable competition.
Good old cryin Curly at it again 😭 😭 😭


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

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D.B.Cooper wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:22am
CURLY wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:05am Brisbane win the flag and essentially get two top ten picks. In return they hand over a pile of garbage late picks.

This really has to stop to at least try and look like a equitable competition.
Good old cryin Curly at it again 😭 😭 😭
White noise Buzzard white noise.


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

Post: # 2082907Post D.B.Cooper »

CURLY wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:23am
D.B.Cooper wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:22am
CURLY wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:05am Brisbane win the flag and essentially get two top ten picks. In return they hand over a pile of garbage late picks.

This really has to stop to at least try and look like a equitable competition.
Good old cryin Curly at it again 😭 😭 😭
White noise Buzzard white noise.
I agree, your OP is little but white noise.

Good old cryin Curly whinging again.


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

Post: # 2082909Post CURLY »

D.B.Cooper wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:25am
CURLY wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:23am
D.B.Cooper wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:22am
CURLY wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:05am Brisbane win the flag and essentially get two top ten picks. In return they hand over a pile of garbage late picks.

This really has to stop to at least try and look like a equitable competition.
Good old cryin Curly at it again 😭 😭 😭
White noise Buzzard white noise.
I agree, your OP is little but white noise.

Good old cryin Curly whinging again.
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personal attack 2 out of 2


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

Post: # 2082918Post D.B.Cooper »

CURLY wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:29am
D.B.Cooper wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:25am
CURLY wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:23am
D.B.Cooper wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:22am
CURLY wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:05am Brisbane win the flag and essentially get two top ten picks. In return they hand over a pile of garbage late picks.

This really has to stop to at least try and look like a equitable competition.
Good old cryin Curly at it again 😭 😭 😭
White noise Buzzard white noise.
I agree, your OP is little but white noise.

Good old cryin Curly whinging again.
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personal attack 2 out of 2
Football comments by Curly = zero.
Crying by Curly = 100%.

Boo boo it’s Crying Curly 😭


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

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D.B.Cooper wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:50am
CURLY wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:29am
D.B.Cooper wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:25am
CURLY wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:23am
D.B.Cooper wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:22am
CURLY wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 10:05am Brisbane win the flag and essentially get two top ten picks. In return they hand over a pile of garbage late picks.

This really has to stop to at least try and look like a equitable competition.
Good old cryin Curly at it again 😭 😭 😭
White noise Buzzard white noise.
I agree, your OP is little but white noise.

Good old cryin Curly whinging again.
Football contribution in thread by DB = ZERO
personal attack 2 out of 2
Football comments by Curly = zero.
Crying by Curly = 100%.

Boo boo it’s Crying Curly 😭
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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

Post: # 2082928Post Yorkeys »

Valid point CURLY, belatedly recognised by the AFL.
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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

Post: # 2082940Post St Dave »

By essentially two top ten picks, do you mean pick 5 and pick 25?


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

Post: # 2082941Post CURLY »

St Dave wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 12:29pm By essentially two top ten picks, do you mean pick 5 and pick 25?
Ashcroft and Marshall both extremely highly rated. Ashcroft rated 1 by most and Marshall who was BOG in the Grand Final in a team Ashcroft was in.


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

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We are about to be beneficiaries


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

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B.M wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 12:44pm We are about to be beneficiaries
And so we should.
But we didn't bolt in the 2024 premiership after being close runner up in 2023, and the pick won't be a top 5 talent.
Any advantage based on unevenly distributed circumstances is contrary to equalisation. Last night's largesse towards Brisbane was a piss take of MCG proportions.


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

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To be fair

We got Owens, Windhager for less than they were worth and will probably get Cole, Hoffman and Peckett for a pack of chips


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

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B.M wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 5:59pm To be fair

We got Owens, Windhager for less than they were worth and will probably get Cole, Hoffman and Peckett for a pack of chips
Point well made.
I just had an impression fs and academy access was different. Certainly if a club has put years and resources into youngsters that club deserves discounted priority access.


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

Post: # 2082971Post St Dave »

CURLY wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 12:35pm
St Dave wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 12:29pm By essentially two top ten picks, do you mean pick 5 and pick 25?
Ashcroft and Marshall both extremely highly rated. Ashcroft rated 1 by most and Marshall who was BOG in the Grand Final in a team Ashcroft was in.
Lol, 'essentially' doing a lot of work there.

The reality is, regardless of where they finished last year (except for 18th and maybe 17th) Brisbane were probably only getting those two guys (plus whatever junk picks they have left over and use).

So really, they were just lucky to win the flag in the year they had good kids also coming through.

And yes I think they should have paid more for them, thankfully that change is coming in for next year's draft.


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

Post: # 2082974Post B.M »

Lucky to win the flag?

Not sure they would see it that way.

Getting players for less than they are worth, what does it matter where you finish?


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

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B.M wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 6:24pm Lucky to win the flag?

Not sure they would see it that way.

Getting players for less than they are worth, what does it matter where you finish?
Might need to reread my post there BM.

I didn't just say they were lucky to win the flag.

And I think you are agreeing with me, Curly suggested it was unfair they got their F/S or academy players because they won the flag. I was saying it didn't matter where they finished, because, unless they finished last and could take someone before Ashcroft, they were still only getting those two guys plus some late change picks


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

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B.M wrote: Thu 21 Nov 2024 6:24pm Lucky to win the flag?

Not sure they would see it that way.

Getting players for less than they are worth, what does it matter where you finish?
Sure BNE are laughing all the way to the top 4, but it's the AFL and the rest of the comp that should be concerned. It should matter, like draw equity over, say, a three year period.


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

Post: # 2083228Post Otiman »

The points system just needs an overhaul, and allow clubs to go into future first round debt for picks until the points system catches up.

Also no discounts.

Also the NGA academies should just be run directly by the AFL in those states. There's no reasons to have the clubs involved other than for a competitive advantage.


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

Post: # 2083240Post Saint 58 »

Academies
All academies to be managed by the AFL
All clubs have full access to all academy players

F/S
A 3(?) to 5(?) person team decides a F/S players draft pick value in a 3(?) to 5(?) pick range
If the F/S club doesn't have a pick in that range ... get one by trading picks/players
If the F/S club can't get one, too bad, so sad, FXXX OFF
No more points, give draft picks back their true value

Free agents, players wanting to "return home"
The lowest placed club in the "return home" state gets first go at the player
If they can't afford, don't want, etc., the next lowest placed club gets the next go ... and so on
Desired salary has to be declared by the player at the start, with no change allowed
If the player/manager doesn't like it, too bad, so sad, FXXX OFF, you stay where you are

Contracted Players
The club decides where the player goes (best deal), not the player/manager
Why ? COS THE PLAYER IS FXXXING CONTRACTED !!!
If the player/manager doesn't like it, too bad, so sad, FXXX OFF, see out your contract for another year

AFL - Fair go for ALL clubs, you bastards
Clubs - Show some balls with your players & their managers, you weak bastards
Players - you're very well paid to train hard, stay fit, don't fxxx up & chase a football for about 2 hours - suck it up you soft bastards
Managers - You're earning good money off other people's achievements - Shut the fxxx up you parasites

Does that give us a fairer competition ?


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

Post: # 2083627Post B.M »

Then what’s the point of the academies?


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

Post: # 2083629Post CURLY »

B.M wrote: Thu 28 Nov 2024 4:37pm Then what’s the point of the academies?
There’s only one point to them and that’s to give an advantage to Brisbane GC GWS and Sydney.


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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

Post: # 2083632Post St Dave »

CURLY wrote: Thu 28 Nov 2024 6:11pm
B.M wrote: Thu 28 Nov 2024 4:37pm Then what’s the point of the academies?
There’s only one point to them and that’s to give an advantage to Brisbane GC GWS and Sydney.
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Re: The Academy and Father Son Piss take

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St Dave wrote: Thu 28 Nov 2024 6:50pm
CURLY wrote: Thu 28 Nov 2024 6:11pm
B.M wrote: Thu 28 Nov 2024 4:37pm Then what’s the point of the academies?
There’s only one point to them and that’s to give an advantage to Brisbane GC GWS and Sydney.
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