Hoffman, Cole & Peckett

[D.B.Cooper]

Out of that trio Hoffman looked the most likely given his draft combine results.

His size and pace looked a good fit for us given our penchant for pace & endurance. Probably a similar player to McLennan but quicker and not as strong overhead.

Where to now for Cole & Peckett?
Hopefully stay at Sandringham and work for an opportunity.

I must say I like our ruthlessness, regardless of the relationships and NGA links we’ve gone for best in class and stuck to our guns.

I’m excited by the draft haul, I was told (by an opposition recruiter pre draft) we were into Travaglia but I’m guessing we were hoping to get him with our 2nd pick & one of the rated mids before him.

Tauru was obviously too talented and has too much upside not to take when the higher rated mids were off the board.

Can’t argue with taking best talent available.

The only one I was disappointed with was ignoring Whitlock as I think he’ll be a player, but we have our type and that is the 191-194 hard running, quick agile type talls as opposed to the 200cm guys who struggle when the ball hits the deck.

Really excited to see Travaglia and Tauru in action from round 1 (fingers crossed )

[St Dave]

I agree with this.

If this was our draft even back in 2021 (the Nas/Owens/Windy draft) I would be more nervous, but the recruiters have the runs on the board since then to trust what they are doing.

Regarding our NGA guys, I agree with that if they aren't worth taking we shouldn't be taking them just because we developed them. But after the President has a sook that we get no help in this area, the fact that we couldn't even help ourselves by developing them enough to be even worth taking is pretty slack on our part.

We may never be a big club getting big free agents coming every year, but if we can develop our own competitive advantage by taking these NGA kids in and getting them up to the level, that could be the base that helps us build sustained success.

I dont know the totals, but it feels like we have had the most NGAs around the draft level (even if some dont get picked up), so hopefully we are focusing on this and can get the rewards of it going forward.

[B.M]

Wasn’t Toce our head of recruiting back in 2021-2023?

[66Iwasthere]

How many NGA players were picked up by any team? Not many I would guess.

[66Iwasthere]

How many NGA players were picked up by any team? Not many I would guess.

[66Iwasthere]

How many NGA players were picked up by any team? Not many I would guess.

[Sanctorum]

Out of that trio Hoffman looked the most likely given his draft combine results.

His size and pace looked a good fit for us given our penchant for pace & endurance. Probably a similar player to McLennan but quicker and not as strong overhead.

Where to now for Cole & Peckett?
Hopefully stay at Sandringham and work for an opportunity.

I must say I like our ruthlessness, regardless of the relationships and NGA links we’ve gone for best in class and stuck to our guns.

I’m excited by the draft haul, I was told (by an opposition recruiter pre draft) we were into Travaglia but I’m guessing we were hoping to get him with our 2nd pick & one of the rated mids before him.

Tauru was obviously too talented and has too much upside not to take when the higher rated mids were off the board.

Can’t argue with taking best talent available.

The only one I was disappointed with was ignoring Whitlock as I think he’ll be a player, but we have our type and that is the 191-194 hard running, quick agile type talls as opposed to the 200cm guys who struggle when the ball hits the deck.

Really excited to see Travaglia and Tauru in action from round 1 (fingers crossed )

Good post, Geelong obviously considered Lennox Hofmann to have potential, taking him at pick 66, and St Kilda failing to match the bid as they had run out of spots after taking WA midfielder Patrick Said at pick 60, who we can assume is a better prospect than Hofmann.

In the 2022 draft St Kilda took Mattaes Phillipou at pick 10 and Darcy Wilson in 2023 with their first pick 18 - both recruits played every game in their first year and showed they have potential to become elite mids.

There's every chance that Tobie Travaglia (soft G!) and Alix Tauru will also debut round one in 2025 - if they hit form in the preseason games Ross Lyon will definitely be prepared to give them a go...

This would be amazing as it would see St Kilda have 8 players under 22 (Wanganeen Milera, Marcus Windhager, Mitchito Owens, Mattaes Phillipou, Darcy Wilson, Tobie Travaglia, Alix Tauru), with Anthony Caminiti, Arie Schoenmaker and Hugo Garcia also in the mix for selection!

Now that IS what I call Sensational!!!

[CURLY]

I agree with this.

If this was our draft even back in 2021 (the Nas/Owens/Windy draft) I would be more nervous, but the recruiters have the runs on the board since then to trust what they are doing.

Regarding our NGA guys, I agree with that if they aren't worth taking we shouldn't be taking them just because we developed them. But after the President has a sook that we get no help in this area, the fact that we couldn't even help ourselves by developing them enough to be even worth taking is pretty slack on our part.

We may never be a big club getting big free agents coming every year, but if we can develop our own competitive advantage by taking these NGA kids in and getting them up to the level, that could be the base that helps us build sustained success.

I dont know the totals, but it feels like we have had the most NGAs around the draft level (even if some dont get picked up), so hopefully we are focusing on this and can get the rewards of it going forward.

Oh FFS I’ve read some garbage pot shots but this takes the cake. I assume this post is a pisstake.

[TheGreatZacsby]

I agree with this.

If this was our draft even back in 2021 (the Nas/Owens/Windy draft) I would be more nervous, but the recruiters have the runs on the board since then to trust what they are doing.

Regarding our NGA guys, I agree with that if they aren't worth taking we shouldn't be taking them just because we developed them. But after the President has a sook that we get no help in this area, the fact that we couldn't even help ourselves by developing them enough to be even worth taking is pretty slack on our part.

We may never be a big club getting big free agents coming every year, but if we can develop our own competitive advantage by taking these NGA kids in and getting them up to the level, that could be the base that helps us build sustained success.

I dont know the totals, but it feels like we have had the most NGAs around the draft level (even if some dont get picked up), so hopefully we are focusing on this and can get the rewards of it going forward.

I think the president was more sooking that we couldn’t get McKenzie as an NGA a first rounder. He would be really nifty right about now.

[Yorkeys]

Hoffman, Cole & Peckett, could be the business name of a firm of ambulance chasers.
No win, no fee.
Watch the expenses but.

[St Dave]

I agree with this.

If this was our draft even back in 2021 (the Nas/Owens/Windy draft) I would be more nervous, but the recruiters have the runs on the board since then to trust what they are doing.

Regarding our NGA guys, I agree with that if they aren't worth taking we shouldn't be taking them just because we developed them. But after the President has a sook that we get no help in this area, the fact that we couldn't even help ourselves by developing them enough to be even worth taking is pretty slack on our part.

We may never be a big club getting big free agents coming every year, but if we can develop our own competitive advantage by taking these NGA kids in and getting them up to the level, that could be the base that helps us build sustained success.

I dont know the totals, but it feels like we have had the most NGAs around the draft level (even if some dont get picked up), so hopefully we are focusing on this and can get the rewards of it going forward.

Oh FFS I’ve read some garbage pot shots but this takes the cake. I assume this post is a pisstake.

Lol from all your defence of him Curly I understand if you think the president's farts don't stink, but I am not one to sook and sit around waiting for handouts.

If the options are to complain about it and wait for the AFL to give us a boost, or to take the opportunity to even up some of the Academy advantage by developing our own programs, personally I would rather just do something about it.

Thankfully we do seem to be focusing on it more than other Vic teams and we are doing ok for numbers so far, we just need to develop some of them into that top 10 talent we need.

[St Dave]

I agree with this.

If this was our draft even back in 2021 (the Nas/Owens/Windy draft) I would be more nervous, but the recruiters have the runs on the board since then to trust what they are doing.

Regarding our NGA guys, I agree with that if they aren't worth taking we shouldn't be taking them just because we developed them. But after the President has a sook that we get no help in this area, the fact that we couldn't even help ourselves by developing them enough to be even worth taking is pretty slack on our part.

We may never be a big club getting big free agents coming every year, but if we can develop our own competitive advantage by taking these NGA kids in and getting them up to the level, that could be the base that helps us build sustained success.

I dont know the totals, but it feels like we have had the most NGAs around the draft level (even if some dont get picked up), so hopefully we are focusing on this and can get the rewards of it going forward.

I think the president was more sooking that we couldn’t get McKenzie as an NGA a first rounder. He would be really nifty right about now.

Yeah, we got a bit robbed there. Thankfully the rules changed back so if we can develop some top 10 talent again we can take full advantage.

[CURLY]

I agree with this.

If this was our draft even back in 2021 (the Nas/Owens/Windy draft) I would be more nervous, but the recruiters have the runs on the board since then to trust what they are doing.

Regarding our NGA guys, I agree with that if they aren't worth taking we shouldn't be taking them just because we developed them. But after the President has a sook that we get no help in this area, the fact that we couldn't even help ourselves by developing them enough to be even worth taking is pretty slack on our part.

We may never be a big club getting big free agents coming every year, but if we can develop our own competitive advantage by taking these NGA kids in and getting them up to the level, that could be the base that helps us build sustained success.

I dont know the totals, but it feels like we have had the most NGAs around the draft level (even if some dont get picked up), so hopefully we are focusing on this and can get the rewards of it going forward.

Oh FFS I’ve read some garbage pot shots but this takes the cake. I assume this post is a pisstake.

Lol from all your defence of him Curly I understand if you think the president's farts don't stink, but I am not one to sook and sit around waiting for handouts.

If the options are to complain about it and wait for the AFL to give us a boost, or to take the opportunity to even up some of the Academy advantage by developing our own programs, personally I would rather just do something about it.

Thankfully we do seem to be focusing on it more than other Vic teams and we are doing ok for numbers so far, we just need to develop some of them into that top 10 talent we need.

The fact you think that Cole Hoffman and Peckett not getting picked up by StKilda is somehow our fault is a pisstake. Then to follow up with lets make sure they are developed into top 10 talents is just laughable.

[Jacks Back]

Hoffman, Cole & Peckett, could be the business name of a firm of ambulance chasers.
No win, no fee.
Watch the expenses but.

Like that other mob: Martin, Barton and Fargo.

[St Dave]

I agree with this.

If this was our draft even back in 2021 (the Nas/Owens/Windy draft) I would be more nervous, but the recruiters have the runs on the board since then to trust what they are doing.

Regarding our NGA guys, I agree with that if they aren't worth taking we shouldn't be taking them just because we developed them. But after the President has a sook that we get no help in this area, the fact that we couldn't even help ourselves by developing them enough to be even worth taking is pretty slack on our part.

We may never be a big club getting big free agents coming every year, but if we can develop our own competitive advantage by taking these NGA kids in and getting them up to the level, that could be the base that helps us build sustained success.

I dont know the totals, but it feels like we have had the most NGAs around the draft level (even if some dont get picked up), so hopefully we are focusing on this and can get the rewards of it going forward.

Oh FFS I’ve read some garbage pot shots but this takes the cake. I assume this post is a pisstake.

Lol from all your defence of him Curly I understand if you think the president's farts don't stink, but I am not one to sook and sit around waiting for handouts.

If the options are to complain about it and wait for the AFL to give us a boost, or to take the opportunity to even up some of the Academy advantage by developing our own programs, personally I would rather just do something about it.

Thankfully we do seem to be focusing on it more than other Vic teams and we are doing ok for numbers so far, we just need to develop some of them into that top 10 talent we need.

The fact you think that Cole Hoffman and Peckett not getting picked up by StKilda is somehow our fault is a pisstake. Then to follow up with lets make sure they are developed into top 10 talents is just laughable.

Lol maybe try reading my first post again, even the slightest criticism of the prez seems to have you seeing red and you didn't understand the rest of it.

I pretty clearly said we shouldn't be taking kids just because we developed them. I didn't even reference those 3 directly, just the NGA program as a whole.

And I don't think hoping that we can help develop future NGAs to be top 10 talents (like Cam Mackenzie who was pick 7) is particularly silly. If we get first dibs on them in the draft we should be trying to make them the best they can be. Sometimes that will be pick 60, but sometimes that could be first round, and you know the more we work on it the better our results will be on average.

You know teams like Brisbane and the Suns aren't just lucking in to these top 10 picks right?

[CURLY]

I agree with this.

If this was our draft even back in 2021 (the Nas/Owens/Windy draft) I would be more nervous, but the recruiters have the runs on the board since then to trust what they are doing.

Regarding our NGA guys, I agree with that if they aren't worth taking we shouldn't be taking them just because we developed them. But after the President has a sook that we get no help in this area, the fact that we couldn't even help ourselves by developing them enough to be even worth taking is pretty slack on our part.

We may never be a big club getting big free agents coming every year, but if we can develop our own competitive advantage by taking these NGA kids in and getting them up to the level, that could be the base that helps us build sustained success.

I dont know the totals, but it feels like we have had the most NGAs around the draft level (even if some dont get picked up), so hopefully we are focusing on this and can get the rewards of it going forward.

Oh FFS I’ve read some garbage pot shots but this takes the cake. I assume this post is a pisstake.

Lol from all your defence of him Curly I understand if you think the president's farts don't stink, but I am not one to sook and sit around waiting for handouts.

If the options are to complain about it and wait for the AFL to give us a boost, or to take the opportunity to even up some of the Academy advantage by developing our own programs, personally I would rather just do something about it.

Thankfully we do seem to be focusing on it more than other Vic teams and we are doing ok for numbers so far, we just need to develop some of them into that top 10 talent we need.

The fact you think that Cole Hoffman and Peckett not getting picked up by StKilda is somehow our fault is a pisstake. Then to follow up with lets make sure they are developed into top 10 talents is just laughable.

Lol maybe try reading my first post again, even the slightest criticism of the prez seems to have you seeing red and you didn't understand the rest of it.

I pretty clearly said we shouldn't be taking kids just because we developed them. I didn't even reference those 3 directly, just the NGA program as a whole.

And I don't think hoping that we can help develop future NGAs to be top 10 talents (like Cam Mackenzie who was pick 7) is particularly silly. If we get first dibs on them in the draft we should be trying to make them the best they can be. Sometimes that will be pick 60, but sometimes that could be first round, and you know the more we work on it the better our results will be on average.

You know teams like Brisbane and the Suns aren't just lucking in to these top 10 picks right?

No idea why you keep thinking Im defending the president but what ever.

You posted we couldn't even develop these kids to get them to that level. Well what a ridiculous post. Have you thought they actually aren't that good.

For the record what did Brisbane do for the Ashcroft brothers or Marshall for that matter to get them to the standard. I will wait.

[Saints58]

Now that Peckett and Cole didn't get picked up can they play for Sandy and hopefully get picked up either in SSP or mid season draft?

[St Dave]

Lol maybe try reading my first post again, even the slightest criticism of the prez seems to have you seeing red and you didn't understand the rest of it.

I pretty clearly said we shouldn't be taking kids just because we developed them. I didn't even reference those 3 directly, just the NGA program as a whole.

And I don't think hoping that we can help develop future NGAs to be top 10 talents (like Cam Mackenzie who was pick 7) is particularly silly. If we get first dibs on them in the draft we should be trying to make them the best they can be. Sometimes that will be pick 60, but sometimes that could be first round, and you know the more we work on it the better our results will be on average.

You know teams like Brisbane and the Suns aren't just lucking in to these top 10 picks right?

No idea why you keep thinking Im defending the president but what ever.

Maybe because you didn't seem to actually read anything I said and critique and detail, you just red rag to a bull kicked off with this:

Oh FFS I’ve read some garbage pot shots but this takes the cake.

That and when I wrote the post I actually wondered if you would pop up and get angry given I briefly mentioned the prez.

You posted we couldn't even develop these kids to get them to that level. Well what a ridiculous post. Have you thought they actually aren't that good.

For the record what did Brisbane do for the Ashcroft brothers or Marshall for that matter to get them to the standard. I will wait.

Again you must have missed the point where I said we shouldn't be drafting them just because they came through our NGA (it was in both posts that you quoted) aka don't take them if they aren't good enough.

What do you mean you don't know how academies work? You get so angry by the concept of academies (particularly interstate ones) and apparently you think that all clubs do is just put players on a list and then wait for them to come of age?

You know you can google it right?

This is just the first paragraph from the AFL page on NGAs:

The Next Generation Academies (NGA's) are a joint initiative between the AFL and AFL Clubs aimed at the attraction, retention and development of all talented players (both male and female), whilst growing participation in the under-represented segments of our community.

And before you go off on some lazy argument like "you know they don't train full time at the club" or whatever, just think about how well we have done with it vs other Vic clubs. If there was no benefit to the talent we could bring through the draft, no club would do it.

[CURLY]

Lol maybe try reading my first post again, even the slightest criticism of the prez seems to have you seeing red and you didn't understand the rest of it.

I pretty clearly said we shouldn't be taking kids just because we developed them. I didn't even reference those 3 directly, just the NGA program as a whole.

And I don't think hoping that we can help develop future NGAs to be top 10 talents (like Cam Mackenzie who was pick 7) is particularly silly. If we get first dibs on them in the draft we should be trying to make them the best they can be. Sometimes that will be pick 60, but sometimes that could be first round, and you know the more we work on it the better our results will be on average.

You know teams like Brisbane and the Suns aren't just lucking in to these top 10 picks right?

No idea why you keep thinking Im defending the president but what ever.

Maybe because you didn't seem to actually read anything I said and critique and detail, you just red rag to a bull kicked off with this:

Oh FFS I’ve read some garbage pot shots but this takes the cake.

That and when I wrote the post I actually wondered if you would pop up and get angry given I briefly mentioned the prez.

You posted we couldn't even develop these kids to get them to that level. Well what a ridiculous post. Have you thought they actually aren't that good.

For the record what did Brisbane do for the Ashcroft brothers or Marshall for that matter to get them to the standard. I will wait.

Again you must have missed the point where I said we shouldn't be drafting them just because they came through our NGA (it was in both posts that you quoted) aka don't take them if they aren't good enough.

What do you mean you don't know how academies work? You get so angry by the concept of academies (particularly interstate ones) and apparently you think that all clubs do is just put players on a list and then wait for them to come of age?

You know you can google it right?

This is just the first paragraph from the AFL page on NGAs:

The Next Generation Academies (NGA's) are a joint initiative between the AFL and AFL Clubs aimed at the attraction, retention and development of all talented players (both male and female), whilst growing participation in the under-represented segments of our community.

And before you go off on some lazy argument like "you know they don't train full time at the club" or whatever, just think about how well we have done with it vs other Vic clubs. If there was no benefit to the talent we could bring through the draft, no club would do it.

See again you simply being moronic in your attempt to take a swing at the club.

What did Brisbane do for the Ashcroft brothers?? Again I will wait.

You also realize a lot of it is pot luck yeah?

Buckley was a champion of the game his kids aren't any good while Ashcroft was a GOP and his kids are elite talents its a fluke.

[CURLY]

Lol maybe try reading my first post again, even the slightest criticism of the prez seems to have you seeing red and you didn't understand the rest of it.

I pretty clearly said we shouldn't be taking kids just because we developed them. I didn't even reference those 3 directly, just the NGA program as a whole.

And I don't think hoping that we can help develop future NGAs to be top 10 talents (like Cam Mackenzie who was pick 7) is particularly silly. If we get first dibs on them in the draft we should be trying to make them the best they can be. Sometimes that will be pick 60, but sometimes that could be first round, and you know the more we work on it the better our results will be on average.

You know teams like Brisbane and the Suns aren't just lucking in to these top 10 picks right?

No idea why you keep thinking Im defending the president but what ever.

Maybe because you didn't seem to actually read anything I said and critique and detail, you just red rag to a bull kicked off with this:

Oh FFS I’ve read some garbage pot shots but this takes the cake.

That and when I wrote the post I actually wondered if you would pop up and get angry given I briefly mentioned the prez.

You posted we couldn't even develop these kids to get them to that level. Well what a ridiculous post. Have you thought they actually aren't that good.

For the record what did Brisbane do for the Ashcroft brothers or Marshall for that matter to get them to the standard. I will wait.

Again you must have missed the point where I said we shouldn't be drafting them just because they came through our NGA (it was in both posts that you quoted) aka don't take them if they aren't good enough.

What do you mean you don't know how academies work? You get so angry by the concept of academies (particularly interstate ones) and apparently you think that all clubs do is just put players on a list and then wait for them to come of age?

You know you can google it right?

This is just the first paragraph from the AFL page on NGAs:

The Next Generation Academies (NGA's) are a joint initiative between the AFL and AFL Clubs aimed at the attraction, retention and development of all talented players (both male and female), whilst growing participation in the under-represented segments of our community.

And before you go off on some lazy argument like "you know they don't train full time at the club" or whatever, just think about how well we have done with it vs other Vic clubs. If there was no benefit to the talent we could bring through the draft, no club would do it.

The fact that we couldn't even help ourselves by developing them enough to be even worth taking is pretty slack on our part.

Your words not mine

[St Dave]

The fact that we couldn't even help ourselves by developing them enough to be even worth taking is pretty slack on our part.

Your words not mine

Lol "pretty slack", just the softest criticism has you double posting. Has something been put in the water over here? You and BM both losing it over the tiniest slights.

I do look forward to not having to see your dribble about how academies are unfair though. Given you think they are entirely luck, why would you be getting so mad at luck?

[CURLY]

The fact that we couldn't even help ourselves by developing them enough to be even worth taking is pretty slack on our part.

Your words not mine

Lol "pretty slack", just the softest criticism has you double posting. Has something been put in the water over here? You and BM both losing it over the tiniest slights.

I do look forward to not having to see your dribble about how academies are unfair though. Given you think they are entirely luck, why would you be getting so mad at luck?

You honestly think that Cole would have been recruited if he was in another academy?

Also surely you’re not comparing our academy to those of GC or Sydney.

[Otiman]

What exactly is our academy? All I've seen is a list of players.

The GC and GWS academies are well publicized as being integrated into local clubs and community to bring in talent.

It wouldn't surprise me if our involvement is just sponsorship and financial, maybe a place or two at a private school.