Jack Carroll

[D.B.Cooper]

Geez you’re a peanut. Put a lot of effort in this post to more or less prove my point.

A 50% success rate among first round selections would rank SOS among the top recruiters of the past few decades, that’s is an excellent strike rate.

Yes Boyd had a better career than McCartin and king (so far) he is one of the key reasons the dogs won in the gf and that’s all that matters. Dont think you would find many to disagree with this.

Yes Settlefield and Hoskin Elliot are exponentially better players than billings and were great selections at the time. Not sure how them or Boyd leaving reflects poorly on SOS’ ability to identify talent in the draft?

Horror show his time at GWS? Didn’t seem like that in 2019? I’m sure Carlton fans are pretty happy with the team he built now.

Out of interest can we run a little exercise here, who do you think is a good recruiter in the league currently?

Peanut?
Any chance you could partake in an online discussion without resorting to childish retorts?

You call Setterfield a "great selection", by SOS, is this Will Setterfield who played 2 games for GWS and was traded for a 4th round pick, or is there another Setterfield? And Billings #3 150 games for StKilda a spud. There in lies your mentality, bias toward SOS and lack of ability to set a criteria defining success and or failure.

You think SOS had a great record at GWS with a 42% positive strike rate (not counting SOS 'great selections' = #1 Boyd and #5 Setterfield with their combined 11 games) and I think that is horrendous first round drafting.

And don't forget SOS recruited 12 (TWELVE) of them to Carlton, YES 12 GWS castoffs to Carlton.

You are happy with lauding mediocrity, I would expect a first round strike rate of 75%.
Hell even the Saints have a better record than SOS.

Since 2010 we have only had 10 first round picks.
None in 10/11/12/16/19/20

13. Billings (win) Dunstan (loss) Still better @ saints than Setterfield at GWS
14. McCartin (loss) Still better at Saints than Boyd at GWS
15. Gresham (win)
17. Clark (win) Coffield (loss) still better than GWS players you call SOS great selections
18. King (win) better player and will have a far superior career to Boyd
21. NWM (win)
22. Phillipou (win)
23. Wilson (win)

That's 70% win verses SOS 42%

The only point proven is SOS horrendous first round recruiting at GWS.

Name recruiters in the league that SOS is better than & why.

[Brunswicksainter]

Geez you’re a peanut. Put a lot of effort in this post to more or less prove my point.

A 50% success rate among first round selections would rank SOS among the top recruiters of the past few decades, that’s is an excellent strike rate.

Yes Boyd had a better career than McCartin and king (so far) he is one of the key reasons the dogs won in the gf and that’s all that matters. Dont think you would find many to disagree with this.

Yes Settlefield and Hoskin Elliot are exponentially better players than billings and were great selections at the time. Not sure how them or Boyd leaving reflects poorly on SOS’ ability to identify talent in the draft?

Horror show his time at GWS? Didn’t seem like that in 2019? I’m sure Carlton fans are pretty happy with the team he built now.

Out of interest can we run a little exercise here, who do you think is a good recruiter in the league currently?

Peanut?
Any chance you could partake in an online discussion without resorting to childish retorts?

You call Setterfield a "great selection", by SOS, is this Will Setterfield who played 2 games for GWS and was traded for a 4th round pick, or is there another Setterfield? And Billings #3 150 games for StKilda a spud. There in lies your mentality, bias toward SOS and lack of ability to set a criteria defining success and or failure.

You think SOS had a great record at GWS with a 42% positive strike rate (not counting SOS 'great selections' = #1 Boyd and #5 Setterfield with their combined 11 games) and I think that is horrendous first round drafting.

And don't forget SOS recruited 12 (TWELVE) of them to Carlton, YES 12 GWS castoffs to Carlton.

You are happy with lauding mediocrity, I would expect a first round strike rate of 75%.
Hell even the Saints have a better record than SOS.

Since 2010 we have only had 10 first round picks.
None in 10/11/12/16/19/20

13. Billings (win) Dunstan (loss) Still better @ saints than Setterfield at GWS
14. McCartin (loss) Still better at Saints than Boyd at GWS
15. Gresham (win)
17. Clark (win) Coffield (loss) still better than GWS players you call SOS great selections
18. King (win) better player and will have a far superior career to Boyd
21. NWM (win)
22. Phillipou (win)
23. Wilson (win)

That's 70% win verses SOS 42%

The only point proven is SOS horrendous first round recruiting at GWS.

Name recruiters in the league that SOS is better than & why.

Okay Mr Cooper (peanut) you know best.

I guess SOS hasn’t selected more combined All Australians winners than 16 other present team head recruiters and also built two top 4 contending lists from nothing. Not like he has selected more combined Coleman and Brownlow medalists than any other list recruiter in the past 24 years (with the exception of Neale balm). Also I suppose his strike rate of identifying 50% guns in the first round against a comp average of 20-30% is also terrible.

You know best I guess?

Can’t even support your ridiculous view by providing me one present recruiter with a better career record than him. Tbh I doubt you even know a single recruiter from another club.

Jack Steele goes alright as well, an uncovered gem and GWS “reject” of SOS’.

[Yorkeys]

The latest discussion dismisses SOS's respected position in the industry? That standing doesn't reconcile with claims he is hopeless.

[D.B.Cooper]

Geez you’re a peanut. Put a lot of effort in this post to more or less prove my point.

A 50% success rate among first round selections would rank SOS among the top recruiters of the past few decades, that’s is an excellent strike rate.

Yes Boyd had a better career than McCartin and king (so far) he is one of the key reasons the dogs won in the gf and that’s all that matters. Dont think you would find many to disagree with this.

Yes Settlefield and Hoskin Elliot are exponentially better players than billings and were great selections at the time. Not sure how them or Boyd leaving reflects poorly on SOS’ ability to identify talent in the draft?

Horror show his time at GWS? Didn’t seem like that in 2019? I’m sure Carlton fans are pretty happy with the team he built now.

Out of interest can we run a little exercise here, who do you think is a good recruiter in the league currently?

Peanut?
Any chance you could partake in an online discussion without resorting to childish retorts?

You call Setterfield a "great selection", by SOS, is this Will Setterfield who played 2 games for GWS and was traded for a 4th round pick, or is there another Setterfield? And Billings #3 150 games for StKilda a spud. There in lies your mentality, bias toward SOS and lack of ability to set a criteria defining success and or failure.

You think SOS had a great record at GWS with a 42% positive strike rate (not counting SOS 'great selections' = #1 Boyd and #5 Setterfield with their combined 11 games) and I think that is horrendous first round drafting.

And don't forget SOS recruited 12 (TWELVE) of them to Carlton, YES 12 GWS castoffs to Carlton.

You are happy with lauding mediocrity, I would expect a first round strike rate of 75%.
Hell even the Saints have a better record than SOS.

Since 2010 we have only had 10 first round picks.
None in 10/11/12/16/19/20

13. Billings (win) Dunstan (loss) Still better @ saints than Setterfield at GWS
14. McCartin (loss) Still better at Saints than Boyd at GWS
15. Gresham (win)
17. Clark (win) Coffield (loss) still better than GWS players you call SOS great selections
18. King (win) better player and will have a far superior career to Boyd
21. NWM (win)
22. Phillipou (win)
23. Wilson (win)

That's 70% win verses SOS 42%

The only point proven is SOS horrendous first round recruiting at GWS.

Name recruiters in the league that SOS is better than & why.

Okay Mr Cooper (peanut) you know best.

I guess SOS hasn’t selected more combined All Australians winners than 16 other present team head recruiters and also built two top 4 contending lists from nothing. Not like he has selected more combined Coleman and Brownlow medalists than any other list recruiter in the past 24 years (with the exception of Neale balm). Also I suppose his strike rate of identifying 50% guns in the first round against a comp average of 20-30% is also terrible.

You know best I guess?

Can’t even support your ridiculous view by providing me one present recruiter with a better career record than him. Tbh I doubt you even know a single recruiter from another club.

Jack Steele goes alright as well, an uncovered gem and GWS “reject” of SOS’.

More childish name calling Brunswicksainter

The 50% guns you refer to include: Busts #5 Setterfield (2 games) traded for 4th round pick & #1 Boyd (9 games) and solid players Tomlinson & Hoskin-Elliott? You are very adapt at taking licence with the truth.

Jack Steele was an academy GWS player, if we draft Cole this year will you put it down to a SOS masterstroke?
If SOS rated Steele he would have tried to get him to Carlton with the 12 GWS rejects (YES THAT IS 12 GWS REJECTS SOS RECRUITED TO CARLTON).

Now you are fabricating more stories, show me proof of your statements that:
- SOS has more Brownlow medallists and Coleman medallists than any other recruiter in the past 24 years?
- Mor AA winners
- He has a 50% gun first round strike rate
- The comp average of successful first rounders is 20-30%

The Saints have a 70% strike rate since 2010, and we're renowned as being poor in this area.

Also compare your made up stats to how many top picks SOS has had in comparison to other recruiters and how many Setterfield like busts (#5 - 2 games - traded for 4th round pick), oh sorry I forgot, Setterfield was a great selection

I guess if Setterfield is a great selection, the bar is pretty low when you calculate SOS's strike rate.

Setterfield = great selection

Put up or shut up Brunswicksainter, give us your facts, or keep up with the name calling, that's my favorite.

[D.B.Cooper]

The latest discussion dismisses SOS's respected position in the industry? That standing doesn't reconcile with claims he is hopeless.

SOS would be highly respected as a great player and Carlton royalty, but does he have a respected position in the industry as a recruiter or list manager?

He got sacked by Carlton (no matter how they spin it) where he is a club legend.

[Yorkeys]

The latest discussion dismisses SOS's respected position in the industry? That standing doesn't reconcile with claims he is hopeless.

SOS would be highly respected as a great player and Carlton royalty, but does he have a respected position in the industry as a recruiter or list manager?

He got sacked by Carlton (no matter how they spin it) where he is a club legend.

Nope.
Left because of irreconcilable differences with CEO Liddle.
It was Liddle who was subsequently sacked. No suggestion of incompetence in regard to SOS.
He is highly respected in the industry, ruffles some feathers because he has uncompromising principles, but then so does BM and we respect him.

[Brunswicksainter]

Geez you’re a peanut. Put a lot of effort in this post to more or less prove my point.

A 50% success rate among first round selections would rank SOS among the top recruiters of the past few decades, that’s is an excellent strike rate.

Yes Boyd had a better career than McCartin and king (so far) he is one of the key reasons the dogs won in the gf and that’s all that matters. Dont think you would find many to disagree with this.

Yes Settlefield and Hoskin Elliot are exponentially better players than billings and were great selections at the time. Not sure how them or Boyd leaving reflects poorly on SOS’ ability to identify talent in the draft?

Horror show his time at GWS? Didn’t seem like that in 2019? I’m sure Carlton fans are pretty happy with the team he built now.

Out of interest can we run a little exercise here, who do you think is a good recruiter in the league currently?

Peanut?
Any chance you could partake in an online discussion without resorting to childish retorts?

You call Setterfield a "great selection", by SOS, is this Will Setterfield who played 2 games for GWS and was traded for a 4th round pick, or is there another Setterfield? And Billings #3 150 games for StKilda a spud. There in lies your mentality, bias toward SOS and lack of ability to set a criteria defining success and or failure.

You think SOS had a great record at GWS with a 42% positive strike rate (not counting SOS 'great selections' = #1 Boyd and #5 Setterfield with their combined 11 games) and I think that is horrendous first round drafting.

And don't forget SOS recruited 12 (TWELVE) of them to Carlton, YES 12 GWS castoffs to Carlton.

You are happy with lauding mediocrity, I would expect a first round strike rate of 75%.
Hell even the Saints have a better record than SOS.

Since 2010 we have only had 10 first round picks.
None in 10/11/12/16/19/20

13. Billings (win) Dunstan (loss) Still better @ saints than Setterfield at GWS
14. McCartin (loss) Still better at Saints than Boyd at GWS
15. Gresham (win)
17. Clark (win) Coffield (loss) still better than GWS players you call SOS great selections
18. King (win) better player and will have a far superior career to Boyd
21. NWM (win)
22. Phillipou (win)
23. Wilson (win)

That's 70% win verses SOS 42%

The only point proven is SOS horrendous first round recruiting at GWS.

Name recruiters in the league that SOS is better than & why.

Okay Mr Cooper (peanut) you know best.

I guess SOS hasn’t selected more combined All Australians winners than 16 other present team head recruiters and also built two top 4 contending lists from nothing. Not like he has selected more combined Coleman and Brownlow medalists than any other list recruiter in the past 24 years (with the exception of Neale balm). Also I suppose his strike rate of identifying 50% guns in the first round against a comp average of 20-30% is also terrible.

You know best I guess?

Can’t even support your ridiculous view by providing me one present recruiter with a better career record than him. Tbh I doubt you even know a single recruiter from another club.

Jack Steele goes alright as well, an uncovered gem and GWS “reject” of SOS’.

More childish name calling Brunswicksainter

The 50% guns you refer to include: Busts #5 Setterfield (2 games) traded for 4th round pick & #1 Boyd (9 games) and solid players Tomlinson & Hoskin-Elliott? You are very adapt at taking licence with the truth.

Jack Steele was an academy GWS player, if we draft Cole this year will you put it down to a SOS masterstroke?
If SOS rated Steele he would have tried to get him to Carlton with the 12 GWS rejects (YES THAT IS 12 GWS REJECTS SOS RECRUITED TO CARLTON).

Now you are fabricating more stories, show me proof of your statements that:
- SOS has more Brownlow medallists and Coleman medallists than any other recruiter in the past 24 years?
- Mor AA winners
- He has a 50% gun first round strike rate
- The comp average of successful first rounders is 20-30%

The Saints have a 70% strike rate since 2010, and we're renowned as being poor in this area.

Also compare your made up stats to how many top picks SOS has had in comparison to other recruiters and how many Setterfield like busts (#5 - 2 games - traded for 4th round pick), oh sorry I forgot, Setterfield was a great selection

I guess if Setterfield is a great selection, the bar is pretty low when you calculate SOS's strike rate.

Setterfield = great selection

Put up or shut up Brunswicksainter, give us your facts, or keep up with the name calling, that's my favorite.

Mate I’m not the one potting a highly respected list manager, hand picked, supported by our coach/board and venerated throughout the league.
Why is the burden on proof always on me? You haven’t provided one recruiter you think is better. You have no idea what you’re talking about and can’t admit your s*** opinions are clearly wrong.

- SOS drafted players have won 6 Coleman/brownlow medals, which does lead the league amongst current recruiters (the next highest being 4 presently).
- total AA selections from SOS drafted and recruited players would easily exceed 25, to my knowledge none of the current recruiters come close to this
- 50% strike rate of gun players was just at GWS, factoring his time at the blues would actually be higher. I have already explained my thoughts and evidence for this. 50% is exceptional and again would put him among the very top recruiters in the game despite copping mass selections during some of the worse draft years ever (2011/2012).
- SOS is the list manager at the saints (not head of recruitment), probably doesn’t have nearly as much say over drafting as he did at the giants/blues. He should absolutely receive credit for Steele, given he identified him, but that wouldn’t suit your moronic narrative.


I’m done with your trolling at this point. Maybe you should apply to become our next list manager?

Who do you want to draft this year?

[B.M]

Given the picks he’s had I reckon blind Freddy would’ve got some right!!!!

Just because he’s employed by StK doesn’t make him great

He’s farked up plenty of first round picks and comes across as a bafoon!!!

[Yorkeys]

Moral dilemma for a few: really want SOS to stuff up our draft picks to prove a sterile point, but that would be a disaster for the club. O me, O my.

[Scollop]

Moral dilemma for a few: really want SOS to stuff up our draft picks to prove a sterile point, but that would be a disaster for the club. O me, O my.

That's rubbish. Why do you think barracking for a club means you have to stop being objective?

What makes you think he's good at list management?

People are merely pointing out whether he was actually competent in his other roles as head recruiter for GWS and Carlton. If you believe he's better than average, why don't you tell us about his strengths

I'd say he landed at GWS at the perfect time when they were in the process of building a squad. What a tough gig Pick the best young young footballers in the land... we'll hand you a truckload of 1st round picks for about 5 years!! If he'd nailed 70% of his FRDP's GWS would have probably had 2 flags by now

I recall SOS picked Full Forwards as the number 1 picks with Jonathan Patton in 2011 followed by Tom Boyd in 2013. SOS probably influenced Trout's decision to choose McCartin... surely that's a negative against him...just sayin

You won't find a lot of Carlton people criticising him (because they loved him as a player and they love the Silvagni family) but most of them acknowledge a lot of mistakes were made during his time at both GWS and Carlton

[SAINT-LEE]

I reckon Noel Judkin is a slightly better recruiter than SOS. He has a few legends in his quiver...James Hird @ pick 79, Dane Swan @ pick 58. Not to mention a bevy of grand final winners. Im sure he stills recruits at Bombers part time. But Judkin made plenty of big mistakes and even cheated a bit.

SOS is a damn decent recruiter and will keep making solid selections, stay at it long enough and like Judkin he'll select some legends.

[B.M]

Kinnear Beatson

What Sydney have done in the last 20 years has been ridiculous

They contend every year

And as much as I hate to say it - Geelong

[Scollop]

Good story here which is from a few years back. Dalrymple explains some of his draft pick decisions when he was at the Dogs and then during his time at Sydney with Beatson.

https://www.woof.net.au/forum/showthrea ... -the-draft

[D.B.Cooper]

Mate I’m not the one potting a highly respected list manager, hand picked, supported by our coach/board and venerated throughout the league.
Why is the burden on proof always on me? You haven’t provided one recruiter you think is better. You have no idea what you’re talking about and can’t admit your s*** opinions are clearly wrong.

- SOS drafted players have won 6 Coleman/brownlow medals, which does lead the league amongst current recruiters (the next highest being 4 presently).
- total AA selections from SOS drafted and recruited players would easily exceed 25, to my knowledge none of the current recruiters come close to this
- 50% strike rate of gun players was just at GWS, factoring his time at the blues would actually be higher. I have already explained my thoughts and evidence for this. 50% is exceptional and again would put him among the very top recruiters in the game despite copping mass selections during some of the worse draft years ever (2011/2012).
- SOS is the list manager at the saints (not head of recruitment), probably doesn’t have nearly as much say over drafting as he did at the giants/blues. He should absolutely receive credit for Steele, given he identified him, but that wouldn’t suit your moronic narrative.


I’m done with your trolling at this point. Maybe you should apply to become our next list manager?

Who do you want to draft this year?

How are my opinions clearly wrong?

You are quoting players like Taranto at GWS as SOS great selection, when SOS was at Carlton at the time Taranto was drafted
You are also quoting his 50% strike rate that is fabricated.

In recruiting SOS has had one outstanding year in 2015 when he totally nailed 3 first round picks in Weitering, McKay and Curnow.
Outstanding 10 out of 10 in that year.

The rest of his first round drafting history is horrendous, absolutely horrendous.

Here it is!
2011
#1 Patton Bust
#2 Coniglio – Win (VG player)
#3 Tyson – Bust
#4 Hoskin-Elliott – Bust
#5 Buntine – Bust
#7 Haynes – Win (VG player)
#9 Tomlinson – Win (GOP)
#10 Sumner – Bust
#11 Greene – Win (Superstar)
#13 Adams – Win (VG player)
#14 Smith – Win (GOP)

6 out of 11 = 54% win

2012
#1 Whitfield – Win (gun)
#2 O’Rourke – Bust
#3 Plowman – Bust
#12 Jaksch – Bust
#14 Corr – Bust

1 out of 5 = 20%

2013
#1 Boyd – Bust
#2 Kelly – Win (Gun)
#14 McCarthy – Bust

1 out of 3 = 33%

2014
#4 Pickett – Bust
#6 Marchbank – Bust
#7 Ahern – Bust

0 out of 3

8 Wins out of 22 first round picks @ GWS = 36% strike rate


2015
#1 Weitering – Win (Gun)
#10 McKay – Win (Gun)
#12 Curnow – Win (Gun)

3 from 3 = 100% Outstanding 10/10

2016
#6 Petrevski-Seton – Bust

0 from 1

2017
#3 Dow – Bust
#10 O’Brien – Bust

0 from 2

2018
#1 Walsh – Win (gun)
#4 (traded first round) Stocker – Bust

1 out of 2 = 50%

2019
#17 Brodie Kemp – win (very generous call)

1 out of 1 = 100%

5 Wins from 9 picks @ Carlton = 55%

Overall record 13 wins out of 31 picks = 42%


Maybe I should apply to be our next list manager???
This is a fan forum, next you'll give the old chestnut - he's played more games than you!
I can tell you if I had a hit rate of 42% wins in my work, I certainly wouldn't have been in business for nearly 30 years, I would have gone broke.

Who do I want to draft this year?
No idea, it's not my job to draft players, but I can tell you Cal Twomey & Emma Quayle have better selections in their mock drafts than SOS.

The facts, despite your fabricated stories and made up strike rate, SOS had an extremely poor hit rate with first round picks at GWS - thank god as if he'd got 60% of them right they'd have 4 flags by now and counting and other than an outstanding 2015 his record at Carlton is just as bad, not forgetting he recruited 12 (YES 12 TWELVE) GWS castoffs to Carlton.

What is your opinion of SOS taking 12 GWS castoffs to Carlton?
Were they great SOS selections like your boy Setterfield (that SOS didn't even select by the way )?

Great player, Carlton Royalty - horrendous first round draft selection history.

Perhaps you could return to childish name calling Brunswicksainter, it appears the only part of your input that is accurate and entertaining

[D.B.Cooper]

Given the picks he’s had I reckon blind Freddy would’ve got some right!!!!

Just because he’s employed by StK doesn’t make him great

He’s farked up plenty of first round picks and comes across as a bafoon!!!

Here it is!
2011
#1 Patton Bust
#2 Coniglio – Win (VG player)
#3 Tyson – Bust
#4 Hoskin-Elliott – Bust
#5 Buntine – Bust
#7 Haynes – Win (VG player)
#9 Tomlinson – Win (GOP)
#10 Sumner – Bust
#11 Greene – Win (Superstar)
#13 Adams – Win (VG player)
#14 Smith – Win (GOP)

6 out of 11 = 54% win

2012
#1 Whitfield – Win (gun)
#2 O’Rourke – Bust
#3 Plowman – Bust
#12 Jaksch – Bust
#14 Corr – Bust

1 out of 5 = 20%

2013
#1 Boyd – Bust
#2 Kelly – Win (Gun)
#14 McCarthy – Bust

1 out of 3 = 33%

2014
#4 Pickett – Bust
#6 Marchbank – Bust
#7 Ahern – Bust

0 out of 3

8 Wins out of 22 first round picks @ GWS = 36% strike rate


2015
#1 Weitering – Win (Gun)
#10 McKay – Win (Gun)
#12 Curnow – Win (Gun)

3 from 3 = 100% Outstanding 10/10

2016
#6 Petrevski-Seton – Bust

0 from 1

2017
#3 Dow – Bust
#10 O’Brien – Bust

0 from 2

2018
#1 Walsh – Win (gun)
#4 (traded first round) Stocker – Bust

1 out of 2 = 50%

2019
#17 Brodie Kemp – win (very generous call)

1 out of 1 = 100%

5 Wins from 9 picks @ Carlton = 55%

Overall record 13 wins out of 31 picks = 42%

[D.B.Cooper]

Moral dilemma for a few: really want SOS to stuff up our draft picks to prove a sterile point, but that would be a disaster for the club. O me, O my.

Seriously who would want SOS to stuff up our picks?

Really bizarre statement!

Just because SOS has an horrendous first round drafting record, doesn't mean anyone wishes our picks this year to be poor.

We have nailed our last 3 first rounders (IMO) with NWM, Pou & Wilson, I'm certainly hoping for two more of that ilk.

[Yorkeys]

Those who go on and on trying to undermine his legacy with questionable use of hindsight. If they really wish him well why the backstabbing, what's the point. Hall of Famer, Fullback of the Century, senior recruitment administrator for 14 years and going strong. But some are arguing he's been a dud since recently. Some just want an each way bet?

[D.B.Cooper]

Those who go on and on trying to undermine his legacy with questionable use of hindsight. If they really wish him well why the backstabbing, what's the point. Hall of Famer, Fullback of the Century, senior recruitment administrator for 14 years and going strong. But some are arguing he's been a dud since recently. Some just want an each way bet?

No one is denying he was a great AFL player (I have written it multiple times) and Carlton royalty.

Where is the questionable use of hindsight?
Is it in listing the first round picks?
Or commenting on him recruiting 12 GWS players to Carlton?
Those are undisputable facts of his history.

If you think his record is strong I am more than happy to agree to disagree with you.

I'd be interested to see your supporting evidence as to why you think he has been successful.

Lastly, this is a fan forum, is it not designed to discuss St Kilda players and administration both positively and negatively?

And why would any saints fan want SOS to stuff up our picks, that is a really bizarre statement?

[CURLY]

Kinnear Beatson

What Sydney have done in the last 20 years has been ridiculous

They contend every year

And as much as I hate to say it - Geelong

Yeah reaching for Heeny Mills and Blakey was genius.

[CURLY]

Mate I’m not the one potting a highly respected list manager, hand picked, supported by our coach/board and venerated throughout the league.
Why is the burden on proof always on me? You haven’t provided one recruiter you think is better. You have no idea what you’re talking about and can’t admit your s*** opinions are clearly wrong.

- SOS drafted players have won 6 Coleman/brownlow medals, which does lead the league amongst current recruiters (the next highest being 4 presently).
- total AA selections from SOS drafted and recruited players would easily exceed 25, to my knowledge none of the current recruiters come close to this
- 50% strike rate of gun players was just at GWS, factoring his time at the blues would actually be higher. I have already explained my thoughts and evidence for this. 50% is exceptional and again would put him among the very top recruiters in the game despite copping mass selections during some of the worse draft years ever (2011/2012).
- SOS is the list manager at the saints (not head of recruitment), probably doesn’t have nearly as much say over drafting as he did at the giants/blues. He should absolutely receive credit for Steele, given he identified him, but that wouldn’t suit your moronic narrative.


I’m done with your trolling at this point. Maybe you should apply to become our next list manager?

Who do you want to draft this year?

How are my opinions clearly wrong?

You are quoting players like Taranto at GWS as SOS great selection, when SOS was at Carlton at the time Taranto was drafted
You are also quoting his 50% strike rate that is fabricated.

In recruiting SOS has had one outstanding year in 2015 when he totally nailed 3 first round picks in Weitering, McKay and Curnow.
Outstanding 10 out of 10 in that year.

The rest of his first round drafting history is horrendous, absolutely horrendous.

Here it is!
2011
#1 Patton Bust
#2 Coniglio – Win (VG player)
#3 Tyson – Bust
#4 Hoskin-Elliott – Bust
#5 Buntine – Bust
#7 Haynes – Win (VG player)
#9 Tomlinson – Win (GOP)
#10 Sumner – Bust
#11 Greene – Win (Superstar)
#13 Adams – Win (VG player)
#14 Smith – Win (GOP)

6 out of 11 = 54% win

2012
#1 Whitfield – Win (gun)
#2 O’Rourke – Bust
#3 Plowman – Bust
#12 Jaksch – Bust
#14 Corr – Bust

1 out of 5 = 20%

2013
#1 Boyd – Bust
#2 Kelly – Win (Gun)
#14 McCarthy – Bust

1 out of 3 = 33%

2014
#4 Pickett – Bust
#6 Marchbank – Bust
#7 Ahern – Bust

0 out of 3

8 Wins out of 22 first round picks @ GWS = 36% strike rate


2015
#1 Weitering – Win (Gun)
#10 McKay – Win (Gun)
#12 Curnow – Win (Gun)

3 from 3 = 100% Outstanding 10/10

2016
#6 Petrevski-Seton – Bust

0 from 1

2017
#3 Dow – Bust
#10 O’Brien – Bust

0 from 2

2018
#1 Walsh – Win (gun)
#4 (traded first round) Stocker – Bust

1 out of 2 = 50%

2019
#17 Brodie Kemp – win (very generous call)

1 out of 1 = 100%

5 Wins from 9 picks @ Carlton = 55%

Overall record 13 wins out of 31 picks = 42%


Maybe I should apply to be our next list manager???
This is a fan forum, next you'll give the old chestnut - he's played more games than you!
I can tell you if I had a hit rate of 42% wins in my work, I certainly wouldn't have been in business for nearly 30 years, I would have gone broke.

Who do I want to draft this year?
No idea, it's not my job to draft players, but I can tell you Cal Twomey & Emma Quayle have better selections in their mock drafts than SOS.

The facts, despite your fabricated stories and made up strike rate, SOS had an extremely poor hit rate with first round picks at GWS - thank god as if he'd got 60% of them right they'd have 4 flags by now and counting and other than an outstanding 2015 his record at Carlton is just as bad, not forgetting he recruited 12 (YES 12 TWELVE) GWS castoffs to Carlton.

What is your opinion of SOS taking 12 GWS castoffs to Carlton?
Were they great SOS selections like your boy Setterfield (that SOS didn't even select by the way )?

Great player, Carlton Royalty - horrendous first round draft selection history.

Perhaps you could return to childish name calling Brunswicksainter, it appears the only part of your input that is accurate and entertaining

Hard to call a lot of them selection errors as injury and other issues were the result of them not fulfilling talent.

Boyd
Marchbank
Pickett
Ahearn
O'Rourke
McCarthey
Patton

[Yorkeys]

Dow & Stocker busts?
Premature predictions of their demise?
Certainly disrespectful timing, to try to make a cheap point. Hopeless "supporter".

[King Max]

Dow & Stocker busts?
Premature predictions of their demise?
Certainly disrespectful timing, to try to make a cheap point. Hopeless "supporter".

Dow and Stocker might go on to be Norm Smith Medalists but they would still be busts for Carlton.

Dow was pick 3 and was essentially traded for a future 4th.

Stocker was pick 19 and was delisted after 28 games.

[The Oracale]

Would he have been a better pick up if he was delisted by Geelong or Collingwood?

Stocker has basically been a starting 22 player since he was picked up by us. Hardly a bust.

I’m not sure what people are expecting to be picked up for free.

Stocker was at the Saints before SOS, so totally irrelevant to this topic.

But was a huge bust for SOS at Carlton as he gave up #4 to get him.
(traded future #4 for #19 to get stocker)

This is wrong.

Carlton swapped future first round picks with Adelaide in that deal for Stock.

Worked out to be Stocker (Pick 19, 2018) and Pick 8 (2019) for/ Pick 4 (2019)

[The Oracale]

I think Carroll will be an astute pick up for us.

He was clearly teetering on the edge of their 22 (10 games as sub in 2024), and he and his management probably saw the writing on the wall when they scored Pick 3 from WCE for a top end midfielder from the draft that he would also need to compete with.

[D.B.Cooper]

Would he have been a better pick up if he was delisted by Geelong or Collingwood?

Stocker has basically been a starting 22 player since he was picked up by us. Hardly a bust.

I’m not sure what people are expecting to be picked up for free.

Stocker was at the Saints before SOS, so totally irrelevant to this topic.

But was a huge bust for SOS at Carlton as he gave up #4 to get him.
(traded future #4 for #19 to get stocker)

This is wrong.

Carlton swapped future first round picks with Adelaide in that deal for Stock.

Worked out to be Stocker (Pick 19, 2018) and Pick 8 (2019) for/ Pick 4 (2019)

Yes that is correct, thanks for clearing up my mistake.

Carlton then broke the Adelaide pick into two for recruiting Kemp who is still with them and Philp (2 games).