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Over at The Hun, Robbo has posted an article about how we can't stuff up our FRDPs this year (captain obvious, I know!).
Robbo: No-man’s land Saints can’t afford to fluff picks 7 and 8 again
The last time the Saints had picks 7 and 8 in the draft, they chose Hunter Clark and Nick Coffield and missed a host of stars. Mark Robinson writes, it can’t happen again. Over to you, Simon Dalrymple.
Just curious about the "host of stars" that we apparently missed - anyone know who he's referring to? I went back and checked the 2017 Draft and can't really see anyone.
Over at The Hun, Robbo has posted an article about how we can't stuff up our FRDPs this year (captain obvious, I know!).
Robbo: No-man’s land Saints can’t afford to fluff picks 7 and 8 again
The last time the Saints had picks 7 and 8 in the draft, they chose Hunter Clark and Nick Coffield and missed a host of stars. Mark Robinson writes, it can’t happen again. Over to you, Simon Dalrymple.
Just curious about the "host of stars" that we apparently missed - anyone know who he's referring to? I went back and checked the 2017 Draft and can't really see anyone.
Cheers!
We should collectively tell the fat f**k to eff off.
Saying me missed by picking Billings over the Bont is purely fantasy and shows how much dim sims and beer have dulled his fat brain.
Sides outside the 8 should use their draft picks wisely.
Who would have thunk.
Thanks for the heads up Robbo, we won't just put all the names in a hat now.
But oh wise Robbo who should we choose to receive your nod of approval. Oh, you have no idea?
And you get paid for that self evident dross. Can't fathom why tv sacked you.
Well, both Clark and Coffield were performing leading us to a finals win over WB as youngsters
Both have been blighted by injury since, Clark transitioning to the midfield following his return from injury over the conclusion of the 2024 season and excelling
Coffield unfortunately left for the WB, where injuries persist
In regards the opinion quoted, look at the employer of the individual providing the opinion noting that you are judged by who you associate with
And from the advertising including delivery of that publication for nothing you are left to assume that their market is very, very limited
Mind you, the other publication is only marginally better and courtesy only of having Gittins and Maley who are independent
#9 Aaron Naughton
#17 Higgo
#21 Oscar Allen
#25 Noah Balta
#30 Tom De Koning
But it's all a big gamble
Robbo is a Monday Expert
A real Sainter will pledge allegiance to the ❤ and despise the Pies, the Blues, and the Injectors.
Remember one of the 10 Commandments : Thou shalt have no other team before thee
IF I had retained each of the residences I sold to upgrade (including coming to Melbourne) ………
A useless thought of no consequence
We all make decisions for the reasons we do and having made those decisions for the right reasons at those times that is the summary
So you move on - and continue to make decision for the right reasons (including taking counsel because no one is expert in everything - and sometimes you may not agree with that counsel but again that is your decision and down to your assessment of the right reasons for you).
Clark and Coff had serious injuries which kept them on the sidelines for long periods, if not for that, then they may have realised their full potential as very good players. If De Kooning and Balta had had serious injuries, they may never have played finals etc etc. Maybe Robbo has a crystal ball?
No club would've picked Higgins, Allen, Balta or De Koning at 7 or 8, or 12 or 13 for that matter.
Naughton is the obvious one that got away, but with Josh Bruce and McCartin on the list at the time, and an eye on either of the King brothers in the next draft, Naughton was surplus to our needs.
Zac Bailey went at 15, and Tim Kelly at 24, but both were seen as a bolters at the time.
Interestingly, Carlton selected Paddy Dow and Lachie O'Brien with picks 3 & 10 - where's the scrutiny there?
cps wrote: ↑Wed 23 Oct 2024 7:05pm
I'm still wondering who the "host of stars" that we overlooked are?
First you will need to go to school to learn to read then access the article and read it.
He lists the names.
He also puts it as delicately as possible by suggesting Petracca ahead of McCartin and Bont ahead of Billings may have been better.
It is not a criticism of the players but a criticism of the failure of recruiters to pick better players.
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It's fair to say that recruitment staff at St Kilda made some monumentaly poor decisions in drafts in the past (taking David Armitage at 9 ahead of Jack Riewoldt 13 in 2006) was my all-time howler.
But Robbo failed to acknowledge that in recent years they picked some really good ones, most recently Darcy Wilson at 18 last year who went on to play every game and effectively finished 2nd best first year player (after Harley Reid), based on the Rising Star Award.
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cps wrote: ↑Wed 23 Oct 2024 7:05pm
I'm still wondering who the "host of stars" that we overlooked are?
First you will need to go to school to learn to read then access the article and read it.
He lists the names.
He also puts it as delicately as possible by suggesting Petracca ahead of McCartin and Bont ahead of Billings may have been better.
It is not a criticism of the players but a criticism of the failure of recruiters to pick better players.
I thought he was referring to the 2017 Draft due to the mention of picks 7 and 8.
I'm interested in what he said, but not enough to subscribe to the Hun.
cps wrote: ↑Wed 23 Oct 2024 7:05pm
I'm still wondering who the "host of stars" that we overlooked are?
First you will need to go to school to learn to read then access the article and read it.
He lists the names.
He also puts it as delicately as possible by suggesting Petracca ahead of McCartin and Bont ahead of Billings may have been better.
It is not a criticism of the players but a criticism of the failure of recruiters to pick better players.
So another bland article about a history that is sadly tired. What's the contemporary point.
Similar articles could be written about most other clubs, if he dared.
Not GWS though because they were handed the best of the best and have fluffed it.
Now that would be a story.
And Pies without Daicos' father son gifts. It's currently fashionable amongst the Commentariat to talk as if Pies are a serious premiership side for the 25 season. That rests solely on their hero worship of Nick's singular set of skills.Hardly a recruiting coup he was gifted by chance.
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WellardSaint wrote: ↑Wed 23 Oct 2024 7:17pm
#9 Aaron Naughton
#17 Higgo
#21 Oscar Allen
#25 Noah Balta
#30 Tom De Koning
But it's all a big gamble
Robbo is a Monday Expert
21 and 30 for me.
Of all the drafts if you were to take picks 7 and 8, I reckon you'd find 2 better players in every single draft that has been. That's just the nature of player development and selection at draft age.
Sanctorum wrote: ↑Thu 24 Oct 2024 12:16pm
It's fair to say that recruitment staff at St Kilda made some monumentaly poor decisions in drafts in the past (taking David Armitage at 9 ahead of Jack Riewoldt 13 in 2006) was my all-time howler.
But Robbo failed to acknowledge that in recent years they picked some really good ones, most recently Darcy Wilson at 18 last year who went on to play every game and effectively finished 2nd best first year player (after Harley Reid), based on the Rising Star Award.
I recall reading something recently about the club being concerned that Nick and Jack were excessively competitive with each other and were worried this would be disruptive. You'd think they could've found a way to work this through.
We don't have those utter failures Pelchen and Elshaug anymore, thank goodness. Even with Toce at the club during the latter part Elshaug's time, it was Elshaug who made the final calls. Once Elshaug left we started to make some progress
2024 is a different era with different people in charge. Melbourne went through the same atrocious period as us before they threw out the old recruiters and changed to the guy who's running the show now.
Different drafts have different levels of quality. There have been some where only half a dozen really good players have emerged and others where 25 really good players have emerged .
Statistically, on average the top ten picks with deliver 3 champions, 4 very good players and three bog average ones. Talent at U18 level is no guarantee and players develop at a different rate. Some never develop the hard body, or that ability to tolerate the hard physical reality of playing against hard bodies every week. Some just can't sustain the level of focus and effort required in a professional environment, and some can't cope with the injuries.
Others will surprisingly adjust well to the change from moderate tempo to warp speed tempo, and that's why we see guys picked late in the draft who really thrive. You can try to analyse and assess the mental toughness of an 18 year old or their ability to cope but basically, these are just boys and no one can know for sure how they will mature.
All said, it's a whole lot better to have picks 7 & 8 than a draft hand that starts somewhere in the 20s or 30s.
Dalrymple has come with a reputation. Let's hope he lives up to it
Two pure midfielders. No messing around.
No flankers, no project ruckmen, no forwards who can 'play in the middle'.
The Carlton game in the last round said it all for me - 15 of their best 23 out, but because their midfield was intact, they stayed with us until the last 20 seconds.
samuraisaint wrote: ↑Sat 26 Oct 2024 12:19pm
Two pure midfielders. No messing around.
No flankers, no project ruckmen, no forwards who can 'play in the middle'.
The Carlton game in the last round said it all for me - 15 of their best 23 out, but because their midfield was intact, they stayed with us until the last 20 seconds.
I think we still go "best available" with a slight tilt towards midfielders.
If everyone before us picks midfielders, we could get a bargain KP.
Just out of curiosity, which club can afford to stuff up two top 10 picks in a draft? Maybe if you already have father/sons, academy stars lined up but that's the most ridiculous article I've read from Robbo for awhile. It's like saying, 'if the swans make a GF in the near future, they'd want to be competitive.'
Of course we don't want to stuff it up. I'm very comfortable with our recruiting/coaching/development team these days and am looking fwd to what we come up with.
Sanctorum wrote: ↑Thu 24 Oct 2024 12:16pm
It's fair to say that recruitment staff at St Kilda made some monumentaly poor decisions in drafts in the past (taking David Armitage at 9 ahead of Jack Riewoldt 13 in 2006) was my all-time howler.
But Robbo failed to acknowledge that in recent years they picked some really good ones, most recently Darcy Wilson at 18 last year who went on to play every game and effectively finished 2nd best first year player (after Harley Reid), based on the Rising Star Award.
I recall reading something recently about the club being concerned that Nick and Jack were excessively competitive with each other and were worried this would be disruptive. You'd think they could've found a way to work this through.
Fu*k me that breaks my heart if true. Roo was a superstar and the only time when we looked unbeatable was when he was teamed with G-Train or when Kosi was fit and firing in first half of 09. Two superstar key fwds is almost impossible to combat. Especially if your midfield has the likes of Lenny, Dal, Joey and BJ. I almost wished I hadn't read that.
and despise the Pies, the Blues, and the Injectors.
