GWS Players in the gun. AFL has gone mad.

[St Dave]

I'm more concerned by the fact that if Haynes weren't a relatively wealthy man, he'd be serving a long prison sentence for a crime he possibly didn't commit. In comparison I couldn't give a s*** if an intolerant little dobber needs to find another job.

So many words to basically say you haven't read any of the thread. They weren't doing a two man (plus a blow up doll) play on the complexities of consent. The AFL aren't sanctioning them for boring the audience. Employer sanctioning employees for inappropriate conduct at a work event. Should be a pretty straightforward issue.

More telling behaviour at the end though, that you have more compassion for a rich convicted rapist (as you acknowledge, interesting how the rich ones always get away on technicalities) than a worker who may have been a victim of sexual assault seeing it reenacted on stage for a laugh. Hard to empathize with people who might have gone through things you don't like to think about I guess.

[CURLY]

I'm more concerned by the fact that if Haynes weren't a relatively wealthy man, he'd be serving a long prison sentence for a crime he possibly didn't commit. In comparison I couldn't give a s*** if an intolerant little dobber needs to find another job.

So many words to basically say you haven't read any of the thread. They weren't doing a two man (plus a blow up doll) play on the complexities of consent. The AFL aren't sanctioning them for boring the audience. Employer sanctioning employees for inappropriate conduct at a work event. Should be a pretty straightforward issue.

More telling behaviour at the end though, that you have more compassion for a rich convicted rapist (as you acknowledge, interesting how the rich ones always get away on technicalities) than a worker who may have been a victim of sexual assault seeing it reenacted on stage for a laugh. Hard to empathize with people who might have gone through things you don't like to think about I guess.

Is that your way of saying an innocent man was released.

[Yorkeys]

Nuance, St D.
Considering a third party dobber despicable in no way expresses sympathy for Haynes. (Conviction quashed, charges dropped, nevertheless a low life).
In the same vein it does not condone oafish behaviour from the GWS not so funsters.
People are entitled to opinions without being verballed and non sequester conflation.

[The G Train Legacy]

I'm more concerned by the fact that if Haynes weren't a relatively wealthy man, he'd be serving a long prison sentence for a crime he possibly didn't commit. In comparison I couldn't give a s*** if an intolerant little dobber needs to find another job.

So many words to basically say you haven't read any of the thread. They weren't doing a two man (plus a blow up doll) play on the complexities of consent. The AFL aren't sanctioning them for boring the audience. Employer sanctioning employees for inappropriate conduct at a work event. Should be a pretty straightforward issue.

More telling behaviour at the end though, that you have more compassion for a rich convicted rapist (as you acknowledge, interesting how the rich ones always get away on technicalities) than a worker who may have been a victim of sexual assault seeing it reenacted on stage for a laugh. Hard to empathize with people who might have gone through things you don't like to think about I guess.

You are making things up and distorting fact to substantiate your point.

All we know that a GWS player dressed up as Haynes and had a blow up doll with him. What he specifically did with the doll hasn't been reported, so you wouldn't know.

Haynes is not a convicted rapist.

The telling behaviour by you, is your insistence on alluding that Haynes is a rapist and that rich ones get away on technicalities. You should never be allowed anywhere near Jury duty.

Maybe its the poor ones that get wrongfully convicted? And I say that about any criminal process.

Whether the worker was a victim of sexual assault or not is irrelevant, still had no business watching the security footage or contacting their employer.

More likely that the worker was a narcissist asshole who wants to control anyone and anything that might offend them. These assholes are a cancer in any workplace.

[St Dave]

Nuance, St D.
Considering a third party dobber despicable in no way expresses sympathy for Haynes. (Conviction quashed, charges dropped, nevertheless a low life).
In the same vein it does not condone oafish behaviour from the GWS not so funsters.
People are entitled to opinions without being verballed and non sequester conflation.

Sorry if I went a bit too hard, that was just a lot of words saying Hayne 'possibly' didn't commit a crime (not even the point of the thread) and talking down on a service worker for wanting a safe and respectful workplace. Not seeing a lot of empathy for service workers from the people trying to defend/minimise the players actions. Every other line of excuse has failed so now we are coming to this.

I don't see why we would consider any employee a dobber though. They aren't a third party, they are employees of the venue. Even if it was a manager who wasn't on duty that day, they are likely acting on a report from a staff member who was there and was impacted. Not every manager (let alone employee) has access to the CCTV, so of course it may need to be sent up the chain to review. Not every manager would be working at a bar on a Wednesday night, so seems reasonable that someone would be reviewing the next day, unless police are involved no-one is sifting through the tape at midnight or whenever they shut.

And even IF they were some snooping menace looking out for the bad actions of celebrities do you really think they are going to the AFL? Or are they selling the footage to some tabloid junk site? They would love footage of a footballers behaving badly story.

Going to take Sainter_Dad's advice though and stop trying to play whack a mole with people upset the world is progressing.

[CURLY]

Nuance, St D.
Considering a third party dobber despicable in no way expresses sympathy for Haynes. (Conviction quashed, charges dropped, nevertheless a low life).
In the same vein it does not condone oafish behaviour from the GWS not so funsters.
People are entitled to opinions without being verballed and non sequester conflation.

Sorry if I went a bit too hard, that was just a lot of words saying Hayne 'possibly' didn't commit a crime (not even the point of the thread) and talking down on a service worker for wanting a safe and respectful workplace. Not seeing a lot of empathy for service workers from the people trying to defend/minimise the players actions. Every other line of excuse has failed so now we are coming to this.

I don't see why we would consider any employee a dobber though. They aren't a third party, they are employees of the venue. Even if it was a manager who wasn't on duty that day, they are likely acting on a report from a staff member who was there and was impacted. Not every manager (let alone employee) has access to the CCTV, so of course it may need to be sent up the chain to review. Not every manager would be working at a bar on a Wednesday night, so seems reasonable that someone would be reviewing the next day, unless police are involved no-one is sifting through the tape at midnight or whenever they shut.

And even IF they were some snooping menace looking out for the bad actions of celebrities do you really think they are going to the AFL? Or are they selling the footage to some tabloid junk site? They would love footage of a footballers behaving badly story.

Going to take Sainter_Dad's advice though and stop trying to play whack a mole with people upset the world is progressing.

Not sure its progressing in the right direction.

[The_Dud]

Did a jury find Hayne innocent? Or was it high priced lawyers finding technicalities to try drag traumatised victims through the courts endlessly (which is exactly what they're paid to do) so they give up on chasing justice?

You can't do rape skits at a work event, the fact this even has to be argued shows how backwards some people are.

[B.M]

Rape - probably not

Skits - wgaf it’s not real

Wouldn’t have bothered me, would I have laughed - only if it was funny!

[Scollop]

Rape - probably not

Skits - wgaf it’s not real

Wouldn’t have bothered me, would I have laughed - only if it was funny!

Let's assume you were there

Let's also assume that a female relative of yours or someone close to your family had experienced domestic violence or sexual assault recently.

If she was there with you and a couple of drunk idiots were doing a rape skit, would you still have laughed?

[CURLY]

Rape - probably not

Skits - wgaf it’s not real

Wouldn’t have bothered me, would I have laughed - only if it was funny!

Let's assume you were there

Let's also assume that a female relative of yours or someone close to your family had experienced domestic violence or sexual assault recently.

If she was there with you and a couple of drunk idiots were doing a rape skit, would you still have laughed?

Why would you take a female to a men’s Mad Monday? Same for a woman’s break up.

[Scollop]

Rape - probably not

Skits - wgaf it’s not real

Wouldn’t have bothered me, would I have laughed - only if it was funny!

Let's assume you were there

Let's also assume that a female relative of yours or someone close to your family had experienced domestic violence or sexual assault recently.

If she was there with you and a couple of drunk idiots were doing a rape skit, would you still have laughed?

Why would you take a female to a men’s Mad Monday? Same for a woman’s break up.

Who said anything about them both being in the party gathering? They could have both been bar staff

It was merely meant as a hypothetical scenario.

You're grasping for reasons to keep justifying your thinking.

[Scollop]

Maybe the real conversation that should be had is whether the suspensions and fines are fair.

I think the suspensions are ridiculous. One game would be the absolute maximum I would have thought and definitely the fines.

The other discussion should be how useless the Player's Association has been when the AFL decides to hand down penalties for off field misdemeanors. They're toothless

[The_Dud]

Rape - probably not

Skits - wgaf it’s not real

Wouldn’t have bothered me, would I have laughed - only if it was funny!

Let's assume you were there

Let's also assume that a female relative of yours or someone close to your family had experienced domestic violence or sexual assault recently.

If she was there with you and a couple of drunk idiots were doing a rape skit, would you still have laughed?

Why would you take a female to a men’s Mad Monday? Same for a woman’s break up.

“Yeah, men can’t be upset by rape, and violence against women is a sheilas problem, nothing to do with us blokes, what are ya gay or something!”

- Curly’s pre mad monday speech to the kids whose ears he’s managed to worm his way in to.

Some are truly still living in the Stone Age!

[The_Dud]

Maybe the real conversation that should be had is whether the suspensions and fines are fair.

I think the suspensions are ridiculous. One game would be the absolute maximum I would have thought and definitely the fines.

The other discussion should be how useless the Player's Association has been when the AFL decides to hand down penalties for off field misdemeanors. They're toothless

Yeah maybe it should have just been financial punishment and education / off field service.

Also the AFLPA might have seen the evidence and thought they wouldn’t have much of a leg to stand on?

[CURLY]

Rape - probably not

Skits - wgaf it’s not real

Wouldn’t have bothered me, would I have laughed - only if it was funny!

Let's assume you were there

Let's also assume that a female relative of yours or someone close to your family had experienced domestic violence or sexual assault recently.

If she was there with you and a couple of drunk idiots were doing a rape skit, would you still have laughed?

Why would you take a female to a men’s Mad Monday? Same for a woman’s break up.

“Yeah, men can’t be upset by rape, and violence against women is a sheilas problem, nothing to do with us blokes, what are ya gay or something!”

- Curly’s pre mad monday speech to the kids whose ears he’s managed to worm his way in to.

Some are truly still living in the Stone Age!

You are actually a bottom feeder.

[The G Train Legacy]

Nuance, St D.
Considering a third party dobber despicable in no way expresses sympathy for Haynes. (Conviction quashed, charges dropped, nevertheless a low life).
In the same vein it does not condone oafish behaviour from the GWS not so funsters.
People are entitled to opinions without being verballed and non sequester conflation.

Sorry if I went a bit too hard, that was just a lot of words saying Hayne 'possibly' didn't commit a crime (not even the point of the thread) and talking down on a service worker for wanting a safe and respectful workplace. Not seeing a lot of empathy for service workers from the people trying to defend/minimise the players actions. Every other line of excuse has failed so now we are coming to this.

I don't see why we would consider any employee a dobber though. They aren't a third party, they are employees of the venue. Even if it was a manager who wasn't on duty that day, they are likely acting on a report from a staff member who was there and was impacted. Not every manager (let alone employee) has access to the CCTV, so of course it may need to be sent up the chain to review. Not every manager would be working at a bar on a Wednesday night, so seems reasonable that someone would be reviewing the next day, unless police are involved no-one is sifting through the tape at midnight or whenever they shut.

And even IF they were some snooping menace looking out for the bad actions of celebrities do you really think they are going to the AFL? Or are they selling the footage to some tabloid junk site? They would love footage of a footballers behaving badly story.

Going to take Sainter_Dad's advice though and stop trying to play whack a mole with people upset the world is progressing.

Progressing!? Seriously! Now you're imbibing the Kool Aid.

[The G Train Legacy]

Maybe the real conversation that should be had is whether the suspensions and fines are fair.

I think the suspensions are ridiculous. One game would be the absolute maximum I would have thought and definitely the fines.

The other discussion should be how useless the Player's Association has been when the AFL decides to hand down penalties for off field misdemeanors. They're toothless

Yeah maybe it should have just been financial punishment and education / off field service.

Also the AFLPA might have seen the evidence and thought they wouldn’t have much of a leg to stand on?

No, the AFLPA is utterly useless.

[The G Train Legacy]

Rape - probably not

Skits - wgaf it’s not real

Wouldn’t have bothered me, would I have laughed - only if it was funny!

Let's assume you were there

Let's also assume that a female relative of yours or someone close to your family had experienced domestic violence or sexual assault recently.

If she was there with you and a couple of drunk idiots were doing a rape skit, would you still have laughed?

Why would you take a female to a men’s Mad Monday? Same for a woman’s break up.

“Yeah, men can’t be upset by rape, and violence against women is a sheilas problem, nothing to do with us blokes, what are ya gay or something!”

- Curly’s pre mad monday speech to the kids whose ears he’s managed to worm his way in to.

Some are truly still living in the Stone Age!

Trouble is there is no evidence the dobber was a rape victim or even a woman. Your assertion of rape simulation has no substance and is just a conflation.

I wonder how agreeable and progressive you'll be when they come for you.

[The_Dud]

Rape - probably not

Skits - wgaf it’s not real

Wouldn’t have bothered me, would I have laughed - only if it was funny!

Let's assume you were there

Let's also assume that a female relative of yours or someone close to your family had experienced domestic violence or sexual assault recently.

If she was there with you and a couple of drunk idiots were doing a rape skit, would you still have laughed?

Why would you take a female to a men’s Mad Monday? Same for a woman’s break up.

“Yeah, men can’t be upset by rape, and violence against women is a sheilas problem, nothing to do with us blokes, what are ya gay or something!”

- Curly’s pre mad monday speech to the kids whose ears he’s managed to worm his way in to.

Some are truly still living in the Stone Age!

Trouble is there is no evidence the dobber was a rape victim or even a woman. Your assertion of rape simulation has no substance and is just a conflation.

I wonder how agreeable and progressive you'll be when they come for you.

The AFL said Fahey dressed as a former NRL player — reportedly Jarryd Hayne — and "simulated inappropriate acts on a sex doll".

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104484180

[CURLY]

Rape - probably not

Skits - wgaf it’s not real

Wouldn’t have bothered me, would I have laughed - only if it was funny!

Let's assume you were there

Let's also assume that a female relative of yours or someone close to your family had experienced domestic violence or sexual assault recently.

If she was there with you and a couple of drunk idiots were doing a rape skit, would you still have laughed?

Why would you take a female to a men’s Mad Monday? Same for a woman’s break up.

“Yeah, men can’t be upset by rape, and violence against women is a sheilas problem, nothing to do with us blokes, what are ya gay or something!”

- Curly’s pre mad monday speech to the kids whose ears he’s managed to worm his way in to.

Some are truly still living in the Stone Age!

Trouble is there is no evidence the dobber was a rape victim or even a woman. Your assertion of rape simulation has no substance and is just a conflation.

I wonder how agreeable and progressive you'll be when they come for you.

The AFL said Fahey dressed as a former NRL player — reportedly Jarryd Hayne — and "simulated inappropriate acts on a sex doll".

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104484180

Could have been his partner who’s to judge.

[Scollop]

Trouble is there is no evidence the dobber was a rape victim or even a woman. Your assertion of rape simulation has no substance and is just a conflation.

I wonder how agreeable and progressive you'll be when they come for you.

The AFL said Fahey dressed as a former NRL player — reportedly Jarryd Hayne — and "simulated inappropriate acts on a sex doll".

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104484180

Could have been his partner who’s to judge.

And if it was his partner that he was forcefully holding down or choking …then I suppose that’s perfectly fine….is it Curls?

Maybe you should send the pub an email for a private copy of the footage. It might be so funny your Netball club could use it at the next fundraiser night

[CURLY]

Trouble is there is no evidence the dobber was a rape victim or even a woman. Your assertion of rape simulation has no substance and is just a conflation.

I wonder how agreeable and progressive you'll be when they come for you.

The AFL said Fahey dressed as a former NRL player — reportedly Jarryd Hayne — and "simulated inappropriate acts on a sex doll".

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104484180

Could have been his partner who’s to judge.

And if it was his partner that he was forcefully holding down or choking …then I suppose that’s perfectly fine….is it Curls?

Maybe you should send the pub an email for a private copy of the footage. It might be so funny your Netball club could use it at the next fundraiser night

It’s a sexdoll maybe that’s what the two of them enjoy. It’s progress remember.

[Scollop]

Trouble is there is no evidence the dobber was a rape victim or even a woman. Your assertion of rape simulation has no substance and is just a conflation.

I wonder how agreeable and progressive you'll be when they come for you.

The AFL said Fahey dressed as a former NRL player — reportedly Jarryd Hayne — and "simulated inappropriate acts on a sex doll".

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104484180

Could have been his partner who’s to judge.

And if it was his partner that he was forcefully holding down or choking …then I suppose that’s perfectly fine….is it Curls?

Maybe you should send the pub an email for a private copy of the footage. It might be so funny your Netball club could use it at the next fundraiser night

It’s a sexdoll maybe that’s what the two of them enjoy. It’s progress remember.

Hey man…I’m as progressive as the next bloke, I just think if you reckon it’s ok to go for it with a sexdoll in front of pub staff then it should be a winner at the next trivia night

[CURLY]

Trouble is there is no evidence the dobber was a rape victim or even a woman. Your assertion of rape simulation has no substance and is just a conflation.

I wonder how agreeable and progressive you'll be when they come for you.

The AFL said Fahey dressed as a former NRL player — reportedly Jarryd Hayne — and "simulated inappropriate acts on a sex doll".

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104484180

Could have been his partner who’s to judge.

And if it was his partner that he was forcefully holding down or choking …then I suppose that’s perfectly fine….is it Curls?

Maybe you should send the pub an email for a private copy of the footage. It might be so funny your Netball club could use it at the next fundraiser night

It’s a sexdoll maybe that’s what the two of them enjoy. It’s progress remember.

Hey man…I’m as progressive as the next bloke, I just think if you reckon it’s ok to go for it with a sexdoll in front of pub staff then it should be a winner at the next trivia night

Hey it’s progress I’m not here to judge. I respect his right to be in love with a sexdoll.

[Sainter_Dad]

It all went to hell after we stopped administering Fatal Beatings in schools