GWS Players in the gun. AFL has gone mad.

[CURLY]

Employers must be aware that establishments outside the workplace can still be considered such if there is sufficient connection to work and work colleagues.

Just stop embarrassing yourself Curly.

Just about to go in and sack 12 employees. Six went on a hens night 6 on a bucks weekend. Heard there were strippers at each.

I would feel sorry for the 6 women working under Curly if they weren't imaginary.

Imagine being them at an end of year function where Curly is holding court with jokes about sexual assault. Which we have established is all fine in his book

You see Oldmate because I live in reality that's just a shitful and actually insulting post. I was actually one of the first managers in the industry to have a female assistant manager and have had three since. I have an equal amount of both female and male staff in a male dominant industry. Also Oldmate as we know the rules we as a group over many years have no issues as we are also humans living in the real world.

I wonder why they keep leaving?
Perhaps a cultural refresh required at the sawmill.

Promotion actually Buzzard in these crazy times women can move up the chain. Bizzare for you old folk.

Pay offs?
Good for you Curly, got away with another few

The most frightening part of your posting is not even the harassment, it’s that an illiterate moron can hold a managerial role.

Sawmills hey?
Still stuck in the 1980’s.

Sawmills are basically nonexistent Buzzard as you may be aware. Unfortunately for many towns in country Victoria they have been closed due to no access to timber. It's a shame that many people will be out of work due to the poor decisions made from afar by people with no knowledge of the industry.

[The_Dud]

Curly’s just remaining wilfully ignorant so he can use that as a defence next time he gets in trouble for his actions at a “non” work party

I’m sure the humans are fine. You continue living in fear under your rock.

Hopefully the poor think you have cornered at the "non" work Christmas party doesn't start talking about how the Grand Final sprint was rigged or anything, might get you a little too excited!

And you continue on like this is an opinion thing or up for debate, or just because you don't like it that that somehow changes the facts.

Its the law, it's black and white, no amount of Curly cryin' will change that.

Again with the rigged GF sprint. Are you ten?

The finishing line was also bowed and favored the outside runners.

[CURLY]

Curly’s just remaining wilfully ignorant so he can use that as a defence next time he gets in trouble for his actions at a “non” work party

I’m sure the humans are fine. You continue living in fear under your rock.

Hopefully the poor think you have cornered at the "non" work Christmas party doesn't start talking about how the Grand Final sprint was rigged or anything, might get you a little too excited!

And you continue on like this is an opinion thing or up for debate, or just because you don't like it that that somehow changes the facts.

Its the law, it's black and white, no amount of Curly cryin' will change that.

Again with the rigged GF sprint. Are you ten?

The finishing line was also bowed and favored the outside runners.

You must be real fun at parties.

[D.B.Cooper]

Curly’s just remaining wilfully ignorant so he can use that as a defence next time he gets in trouble for his actions at a “non” work party

I’m sure the humans are fine. You continue living in fear under your rock.

Hopefully the poor think you have cornered at the "non" work Christmas party doesn't start talking about how the Grand Final sprint was rigged or anything, might get you a little too excited!

And you continue on like this is an opinion thing or up for debate, or just because you don't like it that that somehow changes the facts.

Its the law, it's black and white, no amount of Curly cryin' will change that.

Again with the rigged GF sprint. Are you ten?

The finishing line was also bowed and favored the outside runners.

You must be real fun at parties.

Not as much fun as you at your “non” work functions Curly.

Here comes old Curly and the white eared elephant again

[CURLY]

Curly’s just remaining wilfully ignorant so he can use that as a defence next time he gets in trouble for his actions at a “non” work party

I’m sure the humans are fine. You continue living in fear under your rock.

Hopefully the poor think you have cornered at the "non" work Christmas party doesn't start talking about how the Grand Final sprint was rigged or anything, might get you a little too excited!

And you continue on like this is an opinion thing or up for debate, or just because you don't like it that that somehow changes the facts.

Its the law, it's black and white, no amount of Curly cryin' will change that.

Again with the rigged GF sprint. Are you ten?

The finishing line was also bowed and favored the outside runners.

You must be real fun at parties.

Not as much fun as you at your “non” work functions Curly.

Here comes old Curly and the white eared elephant again

Real life old Buzzard don't live in the dream world.

[St Dave]

Real life old Buzzard don't live in the dream world.

Except for the dream world of what constitutes a work party. Or offensive conduct. Or what service staff should be forced to put up with in the course of their work. Or...

[B.M]

Why are people trying to justify themselves

Go and watch some Ricky Gervais- and listen to him when he say

They’re just jokes!!!

Take a bex lie down and get over yourself

if you are offended by jokes - perhaps you are the one with the issue

Don’t try and be all politically correct so you can get on a high horse and take a moral high ground - it just makes you look like a boring knob with no sense of humour.

I find it interesting when white people are offended by racism
When atheists sympathise with Muslims
When skinny people are offended by fat jokes

None have the first fkn clue about prejudices

[St Dave]

Why are people trying to justify themselves

Go and watch some Ricky Gervais- and listen to him when he say

They’re just jokes!!!

Take a bex lie down and get over yourself

if you are offended by jokes - perhaps you are the one with the issue

Don’t try and be all politically correct so you can get on a high horse and take a moral high ground - it just makes you look like a boring knob with no sense of humour.

I find it interesting when white people are offended by racism
When atheists sympathise with Muslims
When skinny people are offended by fat jokes

None have the first fkn clue about prejudices

C'mon BM we addressed comedy pages back, keep up.

None of the performers are comedians, so why are you bringing up people trained/experienced in comedy? That's like complaining about race car drivers when someone is pulled over for speeding. Some people are trained/experienced and know how to do it well.

If you are going to complain about comedy, how much live comedy have you seen in the last year?

[skeptic]

Being offended is irrelevant because it’s subjective.

Personally, nothing anybody I don’t respect says could ever offend me.

That doesn’t it’s ok to say inappropriate things.

[B.M]

Obviously not well enough

Do reckon the players were serious in their actions

Do you reckon they are actually happy with sexual assault
Victims of Terror, domestic violence?

What makes a comedian?

I know a bloke at the cricket club, funny as fk!
A real comedian

[B.M]

Do gooders are ridiculous imo

I wouldn’t want no white privileged knob offended on my behalf

[The_Dud]

So just to clarify BM, you don’t have any problem with a rape skit (referencing real people) being performed for laughs at a work event?

[St Dave]

Obviously not well enough

Do reckon the players were serious in their actions

Do you reckon they are actually happy with sexual assault
Victims of Terror, domestic violence?

What makes a comedian?

I know a bloke at the cricket club, funny as fk!
A real comedian

Maybe go back to around page 5 and read it all again. You thought comedy was dead (despite maybe never actually seeing it live) and I called you Henny Penny on account of all the needless panicking. You listed your favourite 'controversial' and I said yeah they are generally fine because they are all good at their jobs.

What makes a carpenter? I can cut and screw some wood together, does that make me one?

My car could go pretty fast, does that make me a race car driver?

Or are we getting to your fundamental misunderstanding of the issue? You think anyone that can make someone laugh is a comedian so they should be able to say whatever they want, audience be damned?

[B.M]

So,

No one - unless they are Dave Chapelle or Kevin Hart - can make a joke?

I know loads of cunny funts who crack me up constantly - not paid comics

BTW
Of course I’ve gone to comedy shows - I live in Melbourne- there’s a festival every year!

Watch Montreal and Edinburgh on TV and YouTube in fact there are literally hours of comedy gigs online. Ron white in the Blue Collar quartet- funny!

But I like 70s and 80s comedy
Eddie Murphy was a genius and Raw and Delirious masterpieces, Richard Pryor a legend, Rodney Dangerfield- king of the one-liners!!!
TV shows like Fawlty Towers comedy writing had no peers!

Played footy in 96 with a well known comedian too - his first ever game! And Irish bloke! And he was hard at the ball!!!

[St Dave]

So,

No one - unless they are Dave Chapelle or Kevin Hart - can make a joke?

I know loads of cunny funts who crack me up constantly - not paid comics

BTW
Of course I’ve gone to comedy shows - I live in Melbourne- there’s a festival every year!

Watch Montreal and Edinburgh on TV and YouTube in fact there are literally hours of comedy gigs online. Ron white in the Blue Collar quartet- funny!

But I like 70s and 80s comedy
Eddie Murphy was a genius and Raw and Delirious masterpieces, Richard Pryor a legend, Rodney Dangerfield- king of the one-liners!!!
TV shows like Fawlty Towers comedy writing had no peers!

Played footy in 96 with a well known comedian too - his first ever game! And Irish bloke! And he was hard at the ball!!!

I don't know where it was said that no-one could make a joke. You asked what makes someone a comedian, not what makes someone funny.

For someone who goes to shows you seem pretty ignorant of how comedy works. Hence me asking if you had seen live comedy, because you will see comedians saying edgy stuff all the time if you are actually out engaging with the scene. But maybe you haven't been in a while if you only like 70/80s stuff and are just watching that on streaming. Who is your favourite that you have seen recently?

How do you feel about trigger warnings? Do you understand the point of them?

[The G Train Legacy]

Bad taste has become a criminal offence.

Since the season is over. Does that mean that the players suspended are out of the Brownlow?

Brilliant summation!!!

For all the endless drivel posted in this thread, maybe someone can answer a question - the most commonly repeated word in all of this seems to be "offended".

Since when did being offended become a major crime?

It’s not too hard to understand, don’t do a skit about raping a woman at a work function when your employer is a very publicly player in the “stop violence against women” space.

How was it a skit about raping a woman? It appears they were taking the piss out of Haynes. Do you really believe they were somehow paying tribute to Haynes for allegedly raping somebody?

[The G Train Legacy]

Real life old Buzzard don't live in the dream world.

Except for the dream world of what constitutes a work party. Or offensive conduct. Or what service staff should be forced to put up with in the course of their work. Or...

I tell you what service staff should not do, violate the privacy of the customer. There is no obligation for that service staff member to put up with it, they can quit if they don't like it and do something else. And self righteous assholes like that service staffer, should get a job where they don't work with other people, for the sake of other people. I'd sack the asshole without blinking.

[The G Train Legacy]

Can I get paid overtime if I’m out with colleagues

Because I’m technically at work?

Ha, I like that. If employers want to reach into their employees private life, perhaps they can pay them for those hours. Otherwise butt out.

[The G Train Legacy]

The bar staff was there to do a job

No make judgement on what was happening

Unless they were forced to participate in the frivolities

What a ridiculous thing to say, so it’s open slather on people doing their job in the service industry, you can do/say whatever you like in front of them and they just have to cop it? And they weren’t the judges, the AFL was.

The context is everything, this is a work event, not people going to see a comedy show.

Wasn’t a work event.

1000% a work event. Not even debatable.

Footy trips Mad Monday etc are player organised events.

Yep, and doesn’t change the fact it’s a work event.

If you and your team at work decide to go out to dinner for a Christmas party, that is a work event.

If you go out for after work drinks with 8 people from your office, that’s a work event.

You’ve been out of the loop for too long Curly.

Can’t do rape skits at a work event, pretty simple.

No, no it’s not.

As I said, not even debatable. Talk to a workplace lawyer. I have to do this training regularly, it’s black and white, 100% a work event, whether you like it or not.

A Christmas party organised for staff yes.

A group of staff going out on their own accord is not.

So ... I get invited to the pub by people from work - and decide to attend with no pants on ... do you think HR might call me into the office on Monday?

Exaggerated for effect.

If it wasn't a function organised by the employer, for example a Christmas Party, then HR would have no right to call you in. Of course they often would and do, because workers often don't know their rights and/or are inadequately represented or advised. And whether the employer can or can't intervene isn't really the point, the question is whether they should.

In your hypothetical, I would suggest that they shouldn't. Perhaps someone at the party could tell you to put some pants on or go home. If none of the people from work did that and waited to inform HR instead, then I would suggest that they are quite simply fuckwits. Passive squibs, burdened by low self esteem. We don't need employers or HR Mangers compensating for that.

[St Dave]

Real life old Buzzard don't live in the dream world.

Except for the dream world of what constitutes a work party. Or offensive conduct. Or what service staff should be forced to put up with in the course of their work. Or...

I tell you what service staff should not do, violate the privacy of the customer. There is no obligation for that service staff member to put up with it, they can quit if they don't like it and do something else. And self righteous assholes like that service staffer, should get a job where they don't work with other people, for the sake of other people. I'd sack the asshole without blinking.

I was always taught that how you treat service staff was an indication of your character. So it is interesting you say there is no obligation for them to put up with it because they could quit instead. Because cost of living is so low right now and being without a job for a period is something all of us could just do.

This wasn't actions that they would normally encounter in their job, this was people acting out sexual assault.

At no point did they violate their privacy, they reported it to the club/AFL. The AFL released their identities.

Amazing that it is still taking this long for people to understand that if you want to do stuff that might make people uncomfortable or might reflect poorly on you, do it in private. Especially don't do it in other people's workplaces.

[The G Train Legacy]

Real life old Buzzard don't live in the dream world.

Except for the dream world of what constitutes a work party. Or offensive conduct. Or what service staff should be forced to put up with in the course of their work. Or...

I tell you what service staff should not do, violate the privacy of the customer. There is no obligation for that service staff member to put up with it, they can quit if they don't like it and do something else. And self righteous assholes like that service staffer, should get a job where they don't work with other people, for the sake of other people. I'd sack the asshole without blinking.

I was always taught that how you treat service staff was an indication of your character. So it is interesting you say there is no obligation for them to put up with it because they could quit instead. Because cost of living is so low right now and being without a job for a period is something all of us could just do.

This wasn't actions that they would normally encounter in their job, this was people acting out sexual assault.

At no point did they violate their privacy, they reported it to the club/AFL. The AFL released their identities.

Amazing that it is still taking this long for people to understand that if you want to do stuff that might make people uncomfortable or might reflect poorly on you, do it in private. Especially don't do it in other people's workplaces.

I'm not saying that the players' antics were of good character or in good taste. Its not an issue that warrants interference or sanctions from the employer.

I'm polite and grateful to service staff, unless they're deceitful or rude themselves. However, if I did do something to upset them, I wouldn't expect or tolerate my employer becoming involved.

In regard to privacy. The players booked a private room, they weren't in a public place. They booked a private room for privacy. They had the right to expect privacy. That would include the venue not contacting their employer or anyone else about what went on.

If they had broken the Law, then it would be appropriate to call the Police, not their employer. If they were behaving badly and treating the staff badly, then you throw them out, not call their employer.

Then there's the video footage, which is what apparently upset the dobber who wasn't at the event. Security cameras are precisely for that purpose, security. It is not for the employees to watch later for their entertainment because they had famous people at their venue. That for a start is a clear violation of privacy. The employees, including the dobber, had no business watching the video in the first place.

And I reiterate, if the dobber is offended and can't deal with it (although I wonder if they were offended or just imposing their ethics or political views) they should quit. The alternative is to force people into not doing anything that offends you, which is a bit narcissistic and psychotic. Not a healthy psychological way to deal with things.

Also, who said anyone was acting out a sexual assault?

For the record, because it has been touched upon in this thread. Haynes faced trial for the alleged rape and the first trial ended in a hung jury.

The matter was retried and the Jury found him guilty. On appeal the conviction was quashed. You know why?

Sometime during the retrial, after the complainant had been cross-examined, the defence got evidence that the complainant had deleted text messages between her and Haynes. They sought to re examine her to ask why, which was completely appropriate. The Judge refused to let them and then downplayed its significance in his instructions to the Jury! The conviction was completely dodgy and was never going to survive an appeal. Haynes hasn't raped anyone, that has not been proven.

I'm more concerned by the fact that if Haynes weren't a relatively wealthy man, he'd be serving a long prison sentence for a crime he possibly didn't commit. In comparison I couldn't give a s*** if an intolerant little dobber needs to find another job.

[Sainter_Dad]

OMG - 9 pages of arguing over something that has no impact on:
- St Kilda
- Anyone's life (you are not going to change any minds)

No-one is going to think back on this discussion and change their opinion on anything. AFAICS you posters are literally arguing because you have nothing better to do.

[Otiman]

OMG - 9 pages of arguing over something that has no impact on:
- St Kilda
- Anyone's life (you are not going to change any minds)

No-one is going to think back on this discussion and change their opinion on anything. AFAICS you posters are literally arguing because you have nothing better to do.

Welcome to the world post 2017. This is what life is like now.

Ragebait, fearmongering, and division.

The only way to win is not to play.

[The G Train Legacy]

OMG - 9 pages of arguing over something that has no impact on:
- St Kilda
- Anyone's life (you are not going to change any minds)

No-one is going to think back on this discussion and change their opinion on anything. AFAICS you posters are literally arguing because you have nothing better to do.

I think you're speaking for yourself. Perhaps you never change your mind, doesn't mean others don't.

[Sainter_Dad]

OMG - 9 pages of arguing over something that has no impact on:
- St Kilda
- Anyone's life (you are not going to change any minds)

No-one is going to think back on this discussion and change their opinion on anything. AFAICS you posters are literally arguing because you have nothing better to do.

I think you're speaking for yourself. Perhaps you never change your mind, doesn't mean others don't.

I absolutely change my mind - and am very empathetic - but not based on some long winded rant on a Football forum - which is the point of my statement - these guys are shouting into the wind.