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Re: LDU

Post: # 2079505Post diddley »

B.M wrote: Fri 04 Oct 2024 8:35pm 2 first rounders and a second or third back back

It would have to be pick 9 and a future 1st

LDU would command 1 Million for 5 plus a trigger for a 6th
I think it would be closer to 2 first rounders PLUS a second rounder if it was today.
Next year could be worse, as they unleash 2 future years of trading.
Blue chips mids might begin to cost 3 first rounders.


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He’s a good player, very good player

He’s not Marcus Bontempelli though

He’s worth 2 first rounders


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Post: # 2079512Post Scollop »

North Melbourne don't need draft picks

They need a couple of mature players, and they're getting that with Darling and Parker, so... basically

... we've got to get in his manager's ear for the next 8-9 months...and 'make him an offer he can't refuse!!' :mrgreen: 8-)


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From what I’m hearing, he’s open to moving now.


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How much of a power position do North have?

Get something for him now or lose him as a free agent in 12 months?


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Fair enough. Get on their good side. Give them whatever they want and beat the competition while we have the draft capital 😁


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Post: # 2079526Post ace »

Give North our first 3 picks that is picks 7 & 8 and 25 as they stand now in return for pick 2 and LDU.
But we would have LDU and the 3rd best midfielder from the draft.
But I am only dreaming because it values LDU at a little over 1400 points before and after all the draft compensations & father sons = pick 10


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skeptic wrote: Fri 04 Oct 2024 9:00pm How much of a power position do North have?

Get something for him now or lose him as a free agent in 12 months?
They would get a top 3 draft pick as compensation (depending on where they finish), that is what he is worth to North in a years time.


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St Kilda's pick 25 has already become pick 28 due to first round (Band 1) compensation for Battle & Perryman and end of first round (Band 2) for Isaac Cummings.
That will slip further because of father son and academy picks for Levi Ashcroft, Sam Marshall, Isaac Kako & Leo Lombard.
That makes it pick 32 OUCH!
756 points suddenly only worth 584 points


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None of those player

Lombard, Kako etc are available to us anyway- unless they don’t match the bids - which they will


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Remember when the forum was in heat over Jake Kelly of GWS. LDU lusting is a similar crush we cannot date.
The focus has to be the draft and development of the talent we have.
Darcy W will be a star. Hugo G, so exciting as a prospect, McRea bolstering if Dogs are not silly about pricing. Windy back from injury. Henry same same. We are in good shape, no need to chase LDU in vain.


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I really hope we don’t do anything stupid.


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skeptic wrote: Fri 04 Oct 2024 9:00pm How much of a power position do North have?

Get something for him now or lose him as a free agent in 12 months?
Yes that's a great idea. However why would he come to the Saints? Take your Saints hat off for a sec. We're a middling club with a small supporter base with a poor history of success. Players are not going to come running to the saints. That's fact. I hope I'm wrong, but superstar players will go to the big clubs. Whatever we offer, bigger clubs can offer more. Even the bombers will get big name players before us. When was the last time a big name player came to the Saints? We need to draft particularly well and trade very craftily giving very little up and replacing gaps in our list. I know I sound like a glass half empty, but I wouldn't waste our time trying to convince him


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Moods wrote: Sat 05 Oct 2024 10:19pm
skeptic wrote: Fri 04 Oct 2024 9:00pm How much of a power position do North have?

Get something for him now or lose him as a free agent in 12 months?
Yes that's a great idea. However why would he come to the Saints? Take your Saints hat off for a sec. We're a middling club with a small supporter base with a poor history of success. Players are not going to come running to the saints. That's fact. I hope I'm wrong, but superstar players will go to the big clubs. Whatever we offer, bigger clubs can offer more. Even the bombers will get big name players before us. When was the last time a big name player came to the Saints? We need to draft particularly well and trade very craftily giving very little up and replacing gaps in our list. I know I sound like a glass half empty, but I wouldn't waste our time trying to convince him
Honestly…
We’re a club on the up capable of playing good football and contending soon

RTB has a decent reputation in terms of standards and strategy - players seem to like him

He’d slot into a midfield with Steele, Sinclair, Hill and promising guys like Wilson, Pou and Windy (plus hopefully another A-lister like Brayshaw in 12months [let me dream])

$$$ talks

Saints have a passionate supporter base when the club is winning and a great history (not a winning one but still)… A Saints flag is the toughest assignment in football and promises immortality status)

I’m not saying we’ll get him… but there’s stuff to work with there


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Take him next year as a FA

Use F1 to get either Essendon pick 9 or GC pick 13

Take 4 inside 30

Add McCrae for pick 43

LDU next year for Brayshaw

Easy!


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Post: # 2079613Post bobmurray »

The problem is, the really good players aren't that keen on getting on the Saints list.

B graders might come to us, if the coin is big but A Graders, who have already played for a shite team, won't pick us
if success is why they want to change clubs.


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Post: # 2079617Post Nick DalSanto Claus »

So much depends on our performance in 2025. If we show significant improvement and at a minimum finish in the bottom half of the 8 (a la 2023), it would give us some leverage in attracting someone like LDU or Brayshaw.

If we can't, don't get some B grader. Keep our draft picks and hit it one more time before the Devils tear the draft to bits for a few years.


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LDU is probably worth pick 8. He's a very late bloomer. He's started to dominate in the last 2 years. He cuts through traffic and is very strong. I think he's stronger than Brayshaw.


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Post: # 2079642Post D.B.Cooper »

If North don’t match a FA offer next year they get band 1 comp.

The finish bottom 3, most likely bottom, therefore they get pick #4 next year at worst.

As a starting point whatever you trade has to be better than a top #4 next year and a season from LDU.

That means 8 &9 this year or 8 and next years first.

I’d rather get two kids in the draft, regardless of how good he is.


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North want senior players or at the very least, experienced players with hard bodies. We should be adding a couple of players to the draft picks like possibly Hill, Butler, Sharman, Jones, Dow, Membrey, Paton etc..

I know a couple of these guys aren't signed yet, but let North tell us what they want, and let's make it happen


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Scollop wrote: Mon 07 Oct 2024 2:19am North want senior players or at the very least, experienced players with hard bodies. We should be adding a couple of players to the draft picks like possibly Hill, Butler, Sharman, Jones, Dow, Membrey, Paton etc..

I know a couple of these guys aren't signed yet, but let North tell us what they want, and let's make it happen
North are getting Darling for #69 (or something like that) and Parker for similar.
I doubt they'd see any of the steak knives we would offer as any carrot in a trade for LDU.
They'd ask for #8 plus Phillipou, or Wilson.


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Post: # 2079727Post magnifisaint »

Is this a possibility or pie in the sky talk?


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Scollop wrote: Mon 07 Oct 2024 2:19am North want senior players or at the very least, experienced players with hard bodies. We should be adding a couple of players to the draft picks like possibly Hill, Butler, Sharman, Jones, Dow, Membrey, Paton etc..

I know a couple of these guys aren't signed yet, but let North tell us what they want, and let's make it happen
Please, none of those players other than Hill hold any value.


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Norf are stupid.

Darling is cooked.


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SaintPav wrote: Mon 07 Oct 2024 10:49am Norf are stupid.

Darling is cooked.
Definitely!


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