Junction Oval in funding crisis.

[shanegrambeau]

It’s a cricket ground
We left there in 65 because it was a cricket ground

This has to be the oddest and yet most annoying meme ever..

All football grounds are based on cricket grounds.

The MCG has cricket games in it, as do almost ever other football ground in the AFL heartland.

One big difference is that most pitches are drop in nowadays

Not the JO yet

Now, in 2014, Cricket Victoria we’re ready to share.

1965 ?

Nevermind.

Moorabbin is nice

But St Kilda needs to be in St Kilda IMO, for the long term sustainability of the club

And in St Kilda, we have by dint of our name, a city within a city, a unique and culturally iconic part of Melbournes landscape, well connected and well known

Sorry Moorabbin, it’s nice to be back, but we need to keep looking forward.

Please folks, for once let’s just put this,


It’s a cricket ground
It’s a dump
I don’t like it
I didn’t like it


Park that in the far corner with other low value hard rubbish

[B.M]

While we’re at it

Why don’t the Bonbers go back to Windy Hill, the Hawks to Glenferrie and let’s play games at Punt Road, Western Oval, Princes Park and of course the Jnction!!!

Let’s play 6 games on a Sat at 2 o’clock and buy Duffle Coats and put badges on them

You say, look forward but want to go back to the past!

Imaginary land

Junction Oval - I’m sure the Premier Cricket clubs would love footballers training pre season on the ground! Sure AFL coaches would love a Centre Square as hard as a goats forehead for training

It will NEVER happen

RCC moved out of Punt Road to Central
EFC moved out of Windy Hill to Tullamarine
Geelong CC and Carlton CC both play on ovals outside the main stadium
Collingwood CC moved to Camberwell
North Melbourne CC moved to Greenvale
Casey South Melbourne play on a different ground to VF and AFL

Guess who plays at ‘the junction’ and they aren’t going anywhere StKFC and CV

To think we can share a facility is naive

On the MCG
1) no team is based there during the week or train there
Only captains runs on Fridays sometimes
2) has a drop in Centre Square

[Saint 58]

Yea sorry I did forget to add ... CV out, don't care where just out

The bottom line is if we want to grow this club, become one of the big boys then we have to do something different, something big

Otherwise we will just be making up the numbers
So just shut the club down & I'll have less stress & anxiety from March to September
I'll go to some games & just watch footy & I'll probably live longer

Doing the same thing (year after year), & expecting a different result is pointless

[B.M]

Which big club plays at a boutique stadium?

They play at the G

Or in Essendons case Marvel

Essendon don’t play or train in Essendon
Hawthorn doesn’t play or train in Hawthorn

It’s a folly to think it’s important

[Saint 58]

Geelong

[B.M]

Geelong plays at a regional stadium - stadium not park or oval.

Not sure capacity but it’s a few

Geelong is a city in its own right

Which Melbourne club?!

[Saint 58]

Read my post
I said 60,000 seat stadium
I did not say “boutique” stadium

[Dave McNamara]

While we’re at it

Why don’t the Bonbers go back to Windy Hill, the Hawks to Glenferrie and let’s play games at Punt Road, Western Oval, Princes Park and of course the Junction!!!

Let’s play 6 games on a Sat at 2 o’clock and buy Duffle Coats and put badges on them

Bowls club drove the Bummers out. (How bizarre.)
Glenferrie Oval. Was always a post stamp, but have you been there lately? The swimming pool has taken a chunk out of the forward line.
Western Oval? I don't know why they don't do it. Maybe because of the Ballarat thing? But I can't see Ballarat lasting.
Poo Park. I beieve that Carlscum have been considering it.

6 games at 2pm(ish) wearing duffle coats??? Now you're finally talking' B.M.

Junction Oval - I’m sure the Premier Cricket clubs would love footballers training pre season on the ground! Sure AFL coaches would love a Centre Square as hard as a goats forehead for training

It will NEVER happen

RCC moved out of Punt Road to Central
EFC moved out of Windy Hill to Tullamarine
Geelong CC and Carlton CC both play on ovals outside the main stadium
Collingwood CC moved to Camberwell
North Melbourne CC moved to Greenvale
Casey South Melbourne play on a different ground to VF and AFL

Guess who plays at ‘the junction’ and they aren’t going anywhere StKFC and CV

To think we can share a facility is naive

On the MCG
1) no team is based there during the week or train there
Only captains runs on Fridays sometimes
2) has a drop in Centre Square

I think you might have started arguing against yourself on a few of those points Martin. You wrote...

I’m sure the Premier Cricket clubs would love footballers training pre season on the ground!

However, you then point out that...

RCC moved out of Punt Road to Central
EFC moved out of Windy Hill to Tullamarine
Geelong CC and Carlton CC both play on ovals outside the main stadium
Collingwood CC moved to Camberwell
North Melbourne CC moved to Greenvale
Casey South Melbourne play on a different ground to VFL and AFL

So, seems that the cricket clubs wouldn't have to worry about the footy team training on the 'cricket' ground pre-season. And the AFL clubs wouldn't have to worry about training on "a goat's forehead" either. (We could use the Trott Oval just over the road from the JO.

But then, you already knew all that. It's been covered numerous times before in these threads.

On the MCG
1) no team is based there during the week or train there
Only captains runs on Fridays sometimes
2) has a drop in Centre Square

Not sure of the relevence of the MCG to this(?)

The MCG surface has to weather a lot more games, and events (like concerts), than the JO.

And the JO has never had a drop in pitch. Maybe, because it's never needed one...?

Guess who plays at ‘the junction’ and they aren’t going anywhere StKFC and CV

Who said that you weren't a visionary.

[Dave McNamara]

Geelong plays at a regional stadium - stadium not park or oval.

Not sure capacity but it’s a few

Geelong is a city in its own right

Which Melbourne club?!

Geelong as a regional city has a population of ~290,000.

The Bayside City council alone has a population of 102,000. And that's just one council in our heartland, a heartland that extends to the tip of the Mornington Peninsula. So, we have the 'population' base.


Kardinia Park currently holds 40,000.
But heres the thing,
in the 2000s Geelong netted (not grossed) $800K per home game at Kardinia Park.
Average crowd - 26,000.

Meanwhile, we played a home match at Dockedlands against the Swines. 26,000 punters attended.
Our take? ~$73K... which we paid to Dockedlands!!!



This is not pie-in-the-sky stuff.

Move to the JO and play boutique home games there...
- We actually make a profit from those home games.
- We win more games.
- We therefore make more finals series.
- We attract more players, and without having to pay them overs.
- We get more members.
- We attract heaps more sponsors.
- We become very bloody relevant!
- We become the league powerhouse that we always should have been.
- We win that second flag. We win premierships.

[B.M]

It is ridiculous Dave

Not going to happen, not in my lifetime, not ever.

1/ who’s paying for it?!

2/ if you said where is the actual heartland of our supporters (not that it makes FA difference) it would be smack bang in the middle of Bayside Melbourne around Moorabbin to Cheltenham definitely not in StK

3/ isn’t Trott oval StKCC 2nd oval? My son played there this season. Every Premier club has 2 ovals.

4/ why do we need to move from Moorabbin

[SaintWiki]

It is ridiculous Dave

Not going to happen, not in my lifetime, not ever.

1/ who’s paying for it?!

2/ if you said where is the actual heartland of our supporters (not that it makes FA difference) it would be smack bang in the middle of Bayside Melbourne around Moorabbin to Cheltenham definitely not in StK

3/ isn’t Trott oval StKCC 2nd oval? My son played there this seas
4/ why do we need to move from Mooron. Every Premier club has 2 ovals.
abbin

Sharing an Oval with a colonial Cricket Club is disaterous, look what happened last time.

[SaintWiki]

Dave, I have no idea where you get your figures for your cut and paste document that you regurgitate in your posts about this, but saying that St Kilda festival gets 700,000 people is some Donald Trump level exaggeration of crowd numbers, as the festival themselves say they had up to 375,000 people over the entire weekend in 2023!

https://www.stkildafestival.com.au/fest ... e-festival

No, no, no! It is 700,000! I saw it on the telly. Sky News. Right after the segment that warned me about those nasty Haitians who are eating white people's family pets.

That said, I'll see your 375,000, and, raise you to 460,000.
https://artsreview.com.au/st-kilda-fest ... d-numbers/


But regardless, no one is disputing that year after year, well over 100,000 people consistently manage to get there... on a single day.

And that's why all these arguments re 'access to the ground' and re 'no public transport' are simply nonsensical.

If such things were actually an issue, the toxic gnome (aka Bernie E) would never have allowed his beloved international F1 Gran Prix to be staged there.

It is ridiculous Dave

Not going to happen, not in my lifetime, not ever.

1/ who’s paying for it?!

2/ if you said where is the actual heartland of our supporters (not that it makes FA difference) it would be smack bang in the middle of Bayside Melbourne around Moorabbin to Cheltenham definitely not in StK

3/ isn’t Trott oval StKCC 2nd oval? My son played there this season. Every Premier club has 2 ovals.

4/ why do we need to move from Moorabbin

I would estimate that less that 10% of the St Kilda population follow St Kilda FC.

[Dave McNamara]

It is ridiculous Dave

Not going to happen, not in my lifetime, not ever.

1/ who’s paying for it?!

2/ if you said where is the actual heartland of our supporters (not that it makes FA difference) it would be smack bang in the middle of Bayside Melbourne around Moorabbin to Cheltenham definitely not in StK

3/ isn’t Trott oval StKCC 2nd oval? My son played there this season. Every Premier club has 2 ovals.

4/ why do we need to move from Moorabbin

1/ People were saying (asking?) the same about us returning from Outer Seaford to Moorrabbin.
The JO would have already been paid for, handed to us on a platter, except for SummaLovin' and Nutters' disastrous incompetence. But funding for a return to the JO... these things can be created again.

2/ It's the heartland. It's the location (that no other team can match). It's the vibe. And it's... what can be leveraged from all of that... as has been laid out innumerable times.

3/ As the French would say, "You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs." So, unfortunately, your son's cricket team will need to find another venue. But, it will be for the greater good.

4/ Again, the answer/s are writtien in innumeral posts.
Including... https://www.saintsational.net/viewtopic ... 7#p2078797
That's the post... just one above this post of yours.


Martin, you're doing your 'goldfish impersonation'... again.

[Dave McNamara]

I would estimate that less that 10% of the St Kilda population follow St Kilda FC.

(Yet) another reason to return home, to the JO. Then, watch that percentage skyrocket upwards.




Btw, that estimate is still more than for any other side.

(I can't find the link, but the AFL did poll this sort of thing several years ago. Club RoadKill was the only traditional club that didn't have majority support in its namesake suburb. More residents there supported the Paperbaggers. Which I suppose makes some sense. Some pretty big Melbourne underworld figures had their funerals held in Nuff Nuff land.)

[B.M]

It’s not my Sons Cricket team, it’s StK CC my son played an away game there

They have the rights to the oval and wouldn’t relinquish that for a training base (especially since we already have one!)
Where do you suppose StK CC play?

Harry Trott - test CRICKETER - the oval is a cricket oval, and it’s not big enough as a training venue anyway.

So back to your pipe dream
A 60K stadium that would cost hundreds of Millions plus a dedicated training oval - more cost.

Kick STK CC out of the Junction- kick Cricket Victoria out as well! Yep, the council will go for that?!?!

Walk out on Morrabbin and a 40m purpose built facility in our Heartland where we actually have some positive history.

Hmm
Catch a train and Tram to StK and sit in the outer of a boutique stadium
Or catch a train to Souther Cross and watch footy at Marvel under the roof?
I know what I’d prefer.

[The Fireman]

My pipe dream

The Jo is the Go

[Saint 58]

It’s not my Sons Cricket team, it’s StK CC my son played an away game there

They have the rights to the oval and wouldn’t relinquish that for a training base (especially since we already have one!)
Where do you suppose StK CC play?

Harry Trott - test CRICKETER - the oval is a cricket oval, and it’s not big enough as a training venue anyway.

So back to your pipe dream
A 60K stadium that would cost hundreds of Millions plus a dedicated training oval - more cost.

Kick STK CC out of the Junction- kick Cricket Victoria out as well! Yep, the council will go for that?!?!

Walk out on Morrabbin and a 40m purpose built facility in our Heartland where we actually have some positive history.

Hmm
Catch a train and Tram to StK and sit in the outer of a boutique stadium
Or catch a train to Souther Cross and watch footy at Marvel under the roof?
I know what I’d prefer.

AFL > National cricket
AFL >> State cricket
St Kilda FC > Victorian cricket team
St. Kilda >> St. Kilda cricket team

Money talks
Lobby Mr. Fox to get involved

Why do you keep referring to a boutique stadium ?
No-one else does
A 60,000 seat stadium is not a boutique stadium

I don't know where you live or how old you are
But would would you need to catch a train AND a tram ?

Why would you be sitting in the outer ?
You would have a seat as a Saints member like the rest of us

[B.M]

Oh, StK is wealthy enough to build a 60 000k stadium

Bigger than Marvel?!

We have a spare 200 million to half a Billion floating around


Lindsay Fox
I am old enough to remember he paid out our players absolutely FA when we were broke in 81
He is as tight as a Fishes arsehole and you don’t get as wealthy as him by throwing away money.

Gerry Ryan more likely but he ain’t that wealthy- not to give a footy club 100M or more

Again, pipe dream

What is wrong with Marvel again?

[Saint 58]

You've hit the nail on the head
Where is the money coming from

60,000 saints supporters at the JO > Marvel

[Saint 58]

You've hit the nail on the head
Where is the money coming from

60,000 saints supporters at the JO > Marvel

... you didn't answer my questions

[B.M]

Money would be better spent developing Moorabbin

To continue to improve the facilities at RSEA
Another Stand on the outer side, some toilets, a proper gate to enter, more food/beverage facilities

So it can host games

Pre Season games there, lobby to have 1 HA season fixture there vs an interstate club
Have our VFL and Women’s team play there

[B.M]

BTW

The only way a new AFL purpose facility would be built is if the AFL built it.

No AFL team has the funds to build a stadium

Geelong - half the ground was there, the rest of the money would’ve come from the City of Geelong and private backers
Maybe some state government funding?

Regional city in its own right, needs a purpose built stadium

We have a home deck - Marvel

[Dave McNamara]

Harry Trott Oval?
That was available to us early last decade. So could be again.


60,000 seat stadium!?! Martin, where'd you get that figure from...?
On your next lap of the fish bowl, maybe re-read this post...
https://www.saintsational.net/viewtopic ... 7#p2078797

Yep, average net profit $800K.
Average crowd 26,000. (The size of crowd, that, at Dockedlands, cost us ~$73K. )
So, we were spotting a major competitor close to $1 million... per home game(!)
Hard to continue to compete like that. And guess what... we didn't.
Btw, you might (or might not ) remember, Geelong was so confident, they offered the Dogs a guaranteed $700K net take, per game, to play some of their home games down there.
The Dogs jumped at the offer. Of course.
But the AFL then said "No!" Of course.


When we talk $$$, your line is that we can't afford to do it.

But the reality is... how can we afford not to!?!

[Dave McNamara]

... you didn't answer my questions

... not that I reckon you were actually expecting any answers to any actual questions S58.

That's simply not how Martin usually rolls.

[Dave McNamara]

Money would be better spent developing Moorabbin

To continue to improve the facilities at RSEA
Another Stand on the outer side, some toilets, a proper gate to enter, more food/beverage facilities

So it can host games

Pre Season games there, lobby to have 1 HA season fixture there vs an interstate club
Have our VFL and Women’s team play there

Martin!

Now you're actually making some progress. Of course we should be doing this!

A great interim step in the long game. < big thumbs-up emoji >




(Though, having the social club no longer above ground level was a huge blunder, costing us potential ground capacity.)