Lessons for List Management Team

[Nick DalSanto Claus]

Petracca has acknowledged that the Dees' premiership window has slammed shut. If he wants to play in an MCG-based flag, it's going to be with another club.

Interstate clubs seemed to have been ruled out, so the field looks quite narrow. I don't believe we'd be on his shopping list.

The obvious choices in Carlton, Collingwood or Essendope either don't have the SC space, nor draft picks to make it happen.

Hawthorn might be a choice, but buyer beware. I think their current season has been over rated. We'll see how they go next year with a tougher draw and extra scrutiny. North, no way and WB would be a stretch. Geelong seems a possibility.

Unless the big clubs can manufacture some complex outcomes trade wise, then he may be stuck with Goody and Richo. Melbourne has some bargaining chips because he's contracted, but as we've seen players who want out generally get their way.

Would I trade King plus a first rounder for him? Thanks, but no thanks. Two years ago I would've jumped at it. Not now. Especially after the serious injury and his advancing years.

The SS Petracca has sailed as far as the saints are concerned, IMHO.

[lefty]

Petracca will be 29 next year. After this I jury, I doubt he will be the same. I remember Ablett was flying at the GC, then did his shoulder and was literally never the same.

The time to get Petracca was when we had the choice. It's too late now, just move on and go with a new young midfield with our first pick, where we may get a 10+ year player.

[Brunswicksainter]

I agree on the point he needs to leave Melbourne, surely they cannot welcome him back after everything that has suppodsly transpired?

Rumours are he wants to go to a big melbourne club with success on the horizon. This leaves really Collingwood and Carlton as the only viable options, no way collingwood could facilitate that trade, and Carlton will need to get Mckay to agree to leave and also give up picks on top of that. Both really outside the realms of possbility I think.

I actually think this leave us and the bulldogs in a unique position to acquire his services. We have both have players Melbourne really want (King, Marshall, Sinclair, Naughton, English) that you could absolutely see us part ways with if the right deal was to present. If the situation is so bad at Melbourne that he simply has to leave, he may not get much of a say in which club in the VIC market he goes to.

Not saying id be over the moon with this unfolding, but Trac is the one player gettable this year that could potentially remedy all our midfield issues and make us a bonified top 8 contender in 2025.

You're surely not suggesting St Kilda swap Marshall or Sinclair for Petracca, King I go along with. But Melbourne are going to ask for a hell of a lot more than just 1 or 2 players, they'll be after at least 1 frdp....I also expect Petracca would prefer to go to one of the big Victorian clubs, Geelong more than likely.

I’m not suggesting anything, I just foresee a reality where this could happen if everything was to fall in place. I don’t see that with any of Carlton or Collingwood’s key assets (which Melbourne would rightly demand); hence my point that we are better placed to acquire him.

I don’t think Geelong have anything they can viably offer for petracca.

[SuperDuper]

How about this lesson: take the best available player because 2nd rate players in a position of need do not help solve the problem.

Example: Who wants Hobbs instead of NWM??
We could have taken the "bull midfielder" but took instead the skinner HB Flanker. Best available, Good decision.

The problem with taking McCartin is not that he was a forward and Petracca a midfielder: it was that Petracca was best available.

If best available this year is Trainor, then take him!
If someone else is better, e.g. Langford, take him instead!

[spert]

How about this lesson: take the best available player because 2nd rate players in a position of need do not help solve the problem.

Example: Who wants Hobbs instead of NWM??
We could have taken the "bull midfielder" but took instead the skinner HB Flanker. Best available, Good decision.

The problem with taking McCartin is not that he was a forward and Petracca a midfielder: it was that Petracca was best available.

If best available this year is Trainor, then take him!
If someone else is better, e.g. Langford, take him instead!

Taking the best talent available no matter what position they play, and develop them was always the line at Hawthorn. We seem to do the opposite and try and fix a particular problem at the expense of developing a team.

[Killa]

Clubs Draft who they Draft on the basis of assessment and Club needs

Not all who are Drafted including First Round choices succeed

We have Dow on our List as but one example of a high First Round pick - and where was Stocker picked

McCartin had ability (I recall one of his early games v Hawthorn in Tasmania where he grabbed everything) but, most unfortunately, concussion issues impacted, noting he played in a Sydney Grand Final side and would be in their side now if not for the concussion issues

Kosi had his career trajectory impacted by a head knock - still a fine career but it could have been much more if not derailed

It happens

There were questions on Petracca and where what we see now could be confirmation of those questions - noting also his requirement to play in front of big crowds, by extension bigger than the crowds Melbourne attract to the MCG, their home ground So there is ego there and if St Kilda had selected him how long before he sought to play in front of bigger crowds than St Kilda attract? Noting the Clubs that dominate Anzac Day fixtures etc etc so the big crowds

So a call was made

End of story

Could have, should have et al is the response of losers looking to appropriate fault

You make decisions based on analysis at any given time - not hind sight

How Melbourne now respond to Petracca will be the question

Lockett did not deliver premierships to St Kilda as did not Harvey and as did not Riewoldt

23 players take the field and the bottom 6 impact the results of Grand Finals - so you can not be exploited

Remember also that kids being Drafted come from a school boy competition (unless in SA or WA where they can feature at League level so against mature players)

With the likes of Wanganeen-Milera, Phillipou and now Wilson along with King, Owens and Windhager St Kilda are not doing too badly in assembling talent from the under age competitions

So look to the future, not the past

And Hawthorn lost Franklin

[The_Dud]

The mental gymnastics that are being attempted to try justify not drafting Petracca are starting to get embarrassing!

At the time we made the obvious wrong decision, in hindsight we made the obvious wrong decision.

Simple as that!

[CURLY]

How about this lesson: take the best available player because 2nd rate players in a position of need do not help solve the problem.

Example: Who wants Hobbs instead of NWM??
We could have taken the "bull midfielder" but took instead the skinner HB Flanker. Best available, Good decision.

The problem with taking McCartin is not that he was a forward and Petracca a midfielder: it was that Petracca was best available.

If best available this year is Trainor, then take him!
If someone else is better, e.g. Langford, take him instead!

Taking the best talent available no matter what position they play, and develop them was always the line at Hawthorn. We seem to do the opposite and try and fix a particular problem at the expense of developing a team.

Thats not true.

[SaintWiki]

A lot of this is negative and/or pointless banter for the sake of whinging. Our List Management has improved greatly in the last few years - let's stay in the present. How far back are people going to go to spell out the obvious or highlight our hurt.

[spert]

How about this lesson: take the best available player because 2nd rate players in a position of need do not help solve the problem.

Example: Who wants Hobbs instead of NWM??
We could have taken the "bull midfielder" but took instead the skinner HB Flanker. Best available, Good decision.

The problem with taking McCartin is not that he was a forward and Petracca a midfielder: it was that Petracca was best available.

If best available this year is Trainor, then take him!
If someone else is better, e.g. Langford, take him instead!

Taking the best talent available no matter what position they play, and develop them was always the line at Hawthorn. We seem to do the opposite and try and fix a particular problem at the expense of developing a team.

Thats not true.

It is pretty much true, having followed this club for over 55 years, but if you think otherwise no probs.

[CURLY]

How about this lesson: take the best available player because 2nd rate players in a position of need do not help solve the problem.

Example: Who wants Hobbs instead of NWM??
We could have taken the "bull midfielder" but took instead the skinner HB Flanker. Best available, Good decision.

The problem with taking McCartin is not that he was a forward and Petracca a midfielder: it was that Petracca was best available.

If best available this year is Trainor, then take him!
If someone else is better, e.g. Langford, take him instead!

Taking the best talent available no matter what position they play, and develop them was always the line at Hawthorn. We seem to do the opposite and try and fix a particular problem at the expense of developing a team.

Thats not true.

It is pretty much true, having followed this club for over 55 years, but if you think otherwise no probs.

The Hawthorn part isn't true.

[Brunswicksainter]

How about this lesson: take the best available player because 2nd rate players in a position of need do not help solve the problem.

Example: Who wants Hobbs instead of NWM??
We could have taken the "bull midfielder" but took instead the skinner HB Flanker. Best available, Good decision.

The problem with taking McCartin is not that he was a forward and Petracca a midfielder: it was that Petracca was best available.

If best available this year is Trainor, then take him!
If someone else is better, e.g. Langford, take him instead!

Taking the best talent available no matter what position they play, and develop them was always the line at Hawthorn. We seem to do the opposite and try and fix a particular problem at the expense of developing a team.

Thats not true.

It is pretty much true, having followed this club for over 55 years, but if you think otherwise no probs.

The Hawthorn part isn't true.

Yep. Hawthorns premiership lists were built more off free agency and trade. They neglected the draft for a number of years leading up to that three peat. Same with Richmond. I am of firm belief you cannot build a premiership list by a sole draft first strategy.

[The G Train Legacy]

The mental gymnastics that are being attempted to try justify not drafting Petracca are starting to get embarrassing!

At the time we made the obvious wrong decision, in hindsight we made the obvious wrong decision.

Simple as that!

Or is it the constant naval gazing over his non-recruitment that's starting to get embarrassing. If you want to play that game and torture yourself, we could've had Petracca, Bontempelli and Dustin Martin! Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I would suggest every Club has had such recruiting/list management f*** ups.

The reality of the time was that: no one knew McCartin would be struck down by concussion; no one knew Bontempelli was an inside beast, he was considered a good half back who may have played 200 games; and everyone thought Dustin Martin was a high risk scallywag going nowhere (sort of like Tarryn Thomas).

[whiskers3614]

yes watching ships can be embarasing!!

[B.M]

If he did leave us - and that’s a wild guess - we would’ve got a top 5 pick or more.

You don’t lose players for nothing - unless they are s***

He is definitely not s***!

[Scollop]

yes watching ships can be embarasing!!

Or is it the constant naval gazing over his non-recruitment that's starting to get embarrassing

[Zed]

Petracca had attitude in his draft interviews so we were wary
Phillipou had tickets on himself and so Essendon and others were wary

At 17 they are kids , who still have a lot to learn about life.