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Yorkeys wrote: ↑Sat 10 Aug 2024 7:29pm
Geelong
Mathew Stokes
Garry Ablett Snr
Sydney
Elijah Taylor
Sam Wicks
Essendon drug saga
Carlton defrauding salary cap
WCE drugs Central
Footscray Bailey Smith
Melbourne Joel Smith, Oliver
Collingwood rat pack into bike gangs
Sure, all so professional, like those in the red light district.
If you think our Club can be compared with the seriously bad stuff that others are into you are naive.
Chat over coffee so bad. Really?
Check out the causes the club champions.
I cannot believe your reaction is rational. Woke gone bananas.
I’d also point out that when the Lovett thing happened we sacked him right away at great personal cost to the club.
The decision arguably cost us a flag
Meanwhile the stories about one of the big Victorian power clubs paying off victims are endless
Hun (herald sun) has a story headline 'TT ex-partner lost her role with the Saints'
Paywalled.
Can anyone shed light?
Tony74, maybe you could confirm, legend
A real Sainter will pledge allegiance to the ❤ and despise the Pies, the Blues, and the Injectors.
Remember one of the 10 Commandments : Thou shalt have no other team before thee
SinCitySainter wrote: ↑Fri 09 Aug 2024 6:09pm
I actually think it was a good and concise response from the club.
The meeting was already public knowledge so they could not deny they had any interest.
So stating that after doing due diligence they will not be pursuing TT is the best way of handling it.
Cmon mate. That’s rubbish. We were caught with our pants down. Doing our due diligence? Who believes that nonsense? Due diligence? We know his background, on and off the field. We desperately need quality mids. We were looking to recruit him fair and square and were like rabbits in the headlights when we were caught out.
What on earth did we learn from our ’due diligence’ that we didn’t know before the meeting that suddenly meant we wouldn’t be pursuing him? Possibly the fact it would be the worst PR exercise in the history of the game and we would be left with less members and less sponsors.
See the statement from the AFL on its website. It makes it clear Thomas is unable to be signed by any club for the foreseeable. So to infer from publicly available info that the Club was on the verge of doing a deal or contemplating a deal is drawing a long bow about something that's not possible. The Club statement was needed to close down the outrage stemming from speculation, public pressure sure, driven by poorly informed extrapolation.
repta wrote: ↑Sat 10 Aug 2024 6:57pm
Due diligence... what a joke.
It hasn't even got to court yet. He hasn't done his suspension.
It wasn't a one off.
He has gone through the rehab. The counciling. The psychologists. The well-being. He rejected the lot
He didn't learn. North gave up.
Saints will be in perpetual under performance until they grow up.
There is reasons why Geelong and Sydney remain at the top. They are professionally managed. It starts with the 'no d!ckheads policy'
Team cohesion and a no excuse high work ethic mentality.
Current administration are complete mumpets.
They are like an 18 year old 18 deep in the red-light district.
Geelong
Mathew Stokes
Garry Ablett Snr
Sydney
Elijah Taylor
Sam Wicks
Essendon drug saga
Carlton defrauding salary cap
WCE drugs Central
Footscray Bailey Smith
Melbourne Joel Smith, Oliver
Collingwood rat pack into bike gangs
Sure, all so professional, like those in the red light district.
If you think our Club can be compared with the seriously bad stuff that others are into you are naive.
Chat over coffee so bad. Really?
Check out the causes the club champions.
I cannot believe your reaction is rational. Woke gone bananas.
Got any real examples?
All I see there are either old (so pre "woke"), personal drug issues (and knowing how drugs work in the AFL, they are just unlucky enough to get caught), or instances where offenders are suitably punished and/or stood down.
Surely you understand the difference between sanctioning an offending player (eg Taylor) and chasing a potentially offending player who hasn't even had his day in court.
repta wrote: ↑Sat 10 Aug 2024 6:57pm
Due diligence... what a joke.
It hasn't even got to court yet. He hasn't done his suspension.
It wasn't a one off.
He has gone through the rehab. The counciling. The psychologists. The well-being. He rejected the lot
He didn't learn. North gave up.
Saints will be in perpetual under performance until they grow up.
There is reasons why Geelong and Sydney remain at the top. They are professionally managed. It starts with the 'no d!ckheads policy'
Team cohesion and a no excuse high work ethic mentality.
Current administration are complete mumpets.
They are like an 18 year old 18 deep in the red-light district.
Geelong
Mathew Stokes
Garry Ablett Snr
Sydney
Elijah Taylor
Sam Wicks
Essendon drug saga
Carlton defrauding salary cap
WCE drugs Central
Footscray Bailey Smith
Melbourne Joel Smith, Oliver
Collingwood rat pack into bike gangs
Sure, all so professional, like those in the red light district.
If you think our Club can be compared with the seriously bad stuff that others are into you are naive.
Chat over coffee so bad. Really?
Check out the causes the club champions.
I cannot believe your reaction is rational. Woke gone bananas.
Got any real examples?
All I see there are either old (so pre "woke"), personal drug issues (and knowing how drugs work in the AFL, they are just unlucky enough to get caught), or instances where offenders are suitably punished and/or stood down.
Surely you understand the difference between sanctioning an offending player (eg Taylor) and chasing a potentially offending player who hasn't even had his day in court.
Sure, one difference is Swans actually recruited Taylor and our Club put out a quick statement making it clear there is no intention of pursuing Thomas and the meeting was not a collective Club decision.
To be clear, Thomas' reported behaviour is reprehensible. The point of the post was to refute the suggestion our Club is the pits morally when clearly history shows it is not and to suggest so is nonsense. Does the Club not make it crystal clear it deplores DV and wants to help stop it and participates in programs to support that. OK to be morally outraged by Thomas' behaviour but denigrating the Club as some kind of associated pariah is over the top.
repta wrote: ↑Sat 10 Aug 2024 6:57pm
Due diligence... what a joke.
It hasn't even got to court yet. He hasn't done his suspension.
It wasn't a one off.
He has gone through the rehab. The counciling. The psychologists. The well-being. He rejected the lot
He didn't learn. North gave up.
Saints will be in perpetual under performance until they grow up.
There is reasons why Geelong and Sydney remain at the top. They are professionally managed. It starts with the 'no d!ckheads policy'
Team cohesion and a no excuse high work ethic mentality.
Current administration are complete mumpets.
They are like an 18 year old 18 deep in the red-light district.
Geelong
Mathew Stokes
Garry Ablett Snr
Sydney
Elijah Taylor
Sam Wicks
Essendon drug saga
Carlton defrauding salary cap
WCE drugs Central
Footscray Bailey Smith
Melbourne Joel Smith, Oliver
Collingwood rat pack into bike gangs
Sure, all so professional, like those in the red light district.
If you think our Club can be compared with the seriously bad stuff that others are into you are naive.
Chat over coffee so bad. Really?
Check out the causes the club champions.
I cannot believe your reaction is rational. Woke gone bananas.
Got any real examples?
All I see there are either old (so pre "woke"), personal drug issues (and knowing how drugs work in the AFL, they are just unlucky enough to get caught), or instances where offenders are suitably punished and/or stood down.
Surely you understand the difference between sanctioning an offending player (eg Taylor) and chasing a potentially offending player who hasn't even had his day in court.
Sure, one difference is Swans actually recruited Taylor and our Club put out a quick statement making it clear there is no intention of pursuing Thomas and the meeting was not a collective Club decision.
To be clear, Thomas' reported behaviour is reprehensible. The point of the post was to refute the suggestion our Club is the pits morally when clearly history shows it is not and to suggest so is nonsense. Does the Club not make it crystal clear it deplores DV and wants to help stop it and participates in programs to support that. OK to be morally outraged by Thomas' behaviour but denigrating the Club as some kind of associated pariah is over the top.
Except they didn't recruit Taylor after he was charged. Happy to be corrected if you know more, but my understanding is he was drafted, played a few games, he was charged, he was dropped. And no-one has touched him since.
If you honestly think the club had no intention of recruiting him going on to that meeting then I don't know what to tell you. Just meeting with a member of our recruiting team purely out of concern for his mental health or something?
The club will be fine in the long run, but surely you can see how the hypocrisy of club statements about DV and then the recruiting team meeting with an accused before he has been found not guilty reflects extremely poorly on the people currently charged with running the club. They chose to associate with him, they hardly get to complain about how that association looks.
An interesting thought: Garry Lyon speculated that if Tarryn Thomas wants to extend his career playing AFL he would be well advised to do so in the lower leagues for a period of time to demonstrate that he has reformed his bad behaviour towards females once and for all.
Could it be that Gubby Allen was discussing this very idea with Thomas over coffee, noting that St Kilda has a strong First Nations players support network, plus the work of psychologists and social welfare counsellers based at Moorabbin's Danny Frawley Wellness Centre?
We will never know what actually transpired at that fateful meeting, but Gubby would have been well aware that Thomas would not be permitted to play footy at any level until the AFL gives him the all-clear, so there was never a possibility that the club would bring him onboard in any shape or form before that point has been reached, if in fact it ultimately does....
So the suggestion that St Kilda FC committed a grave error of judgment in this little episode is in my view questionable.
Not all puffs of smoke mean there's a fire, but rest assured the media vultures ambulance chasers will report it that way!
"Any candidate for political office, once chosen for leadership, must have the will to take the wheel of a very powerful car, tasked from time to time to make a fast journey down a narrow, precipitous mountain road – and be highly skilled at driving. Otherwise, he is disqualified from the company of competent leaders."
John Carroll, Professor Emeritus of Sociology at La Trobe University.
Ofcourse Grubby Allen is as pure as the driven snow.
Already has had a ban for 12 months bringing the ‘game into disrepute’ over the Whitfield incident at GWS.
Took the job on at Collingwood without telling Pies he was being investigated. Collingwood rightfully sacked him when it all came out.
I was disappointed when the Saints took him on - smacked of jobs for the mates (SOS’s buddy). How old is he? Wouldn’t he be close to his 70’s or more now.? So he probably hasn’t moved on with changing attitudes to DV.
Actually I wouldn’t be surprised to see him move on from the Saints. Fingers crossed
loris wrote: ↑Mon 12 Aug 2024 5:40pm
Ofcourse Grubby Allen is as pure as the driven snow.
Already has had a ban for 12 months bringing the ‘game into disrepute’ over the Whitfield incident at GWS.
Took the job on at Collingwood without telling Pies he was being investigated. Collingwood rightfully sacked him when it all came out.
I was disappointed when the Saints took him on - smacked of jobs for the mates (SOS’s buddy). How old is he? Wouldn’t he be close to his 70’s or more now.? So he probably hasn’t moved on with changing attitudes to DV.
Actually I wouldn’t be surprised to see him move on from the Saints. Fingers crossed
I have a wife, two sisters, four daughters and a foster daughter, and I have zero tolerance to any domestic violence, especially toward women.
However, as a (recently ) retired law enforcement officer Loris, I am genuinely interested in your opinion on potential rehabilitation of Thomas and why you do not think he deserves at least a meeting with the club?
PS. Grubby Allen
There's only one rule in the jungle! When the LYON's hungry, he eats!
Sanctorum wrote: ↑Mon 12 Aug 2024 4:13pm
An interesting thought: Garry Lyon speculated that if Tarryn Thomas wants to extend his career playing AFL he would be well advised to do so in the lower leagues for a period of time to demonstrate that he has reformed his bad behaviour towards females once and for all.
Could it be that Gubby Allen was discussing this very idea with Thomas over coffee, noting that St Kilda has a strong First Nations players support network, plus the work of psychologists and social welfare counsellers based at Moorabbin's Danny Frawley Wellness Centre?
We will never know what actually transpired at that fateful meeting, but Gubby would have been well aware that Thomas would not be permitted to play footy at any level until the AFL gives him the all-clear, so there was never a possibility that the club would bring him onboard in any shape or form before that point has been reached, if in fact it ultimately does....
So the suggestion that St Kilda FC committed a grave error of judgment in this little episode is in my view questionable.
Not all puffs of smoke mean there's a fire, but rest assured the media vultures ambulance chasers will report it that way!
'See you in a couple of years after you are exonerated' is a phone call to his manager, not a public meeting. And it is probably the call half a dozen clubs have made because it is PR 101 to not give the appearance of association with individuals who's alleged actions go against causes the club appears to support.
All these what if justifications only serve to show how stupid the action was. If you don't want people worried about fire, maybe don't make the smoke in the first place.
Sanctorum wrote: ↑Mon 12 Aug 2024 4:13pm
An interesting thought: Garry Lyon speculated that if Tarryn Thomas wants to extend his career playing AFL he would be well advised to do so in the lower leagues for a period of time to demonstrate that he has reformed his bad behaviour towards females once and for all.
Could it be that Gubby Allen was discussing this very idea with Thomas over coffee, noting that St Kilda has a strong First Nations players support network, plus the work of psychologists and social welfare counsellers based at Moorabbin's Danny Frawley Wellness Centre?
We will never know what actually transpired at that fateful meeting, but Gubby would have been well aware that Thomas would not be permitted to play footy at any level until the AFL gives him the all-clear, so there was never a possibility that the club would bring him onboard in any shape or form before that point has been reached, if in fact it ultimately does....
So the suggestion that St Kilda FC committed a grave error of judgment in this little episode is in my view questionable.
Not all puffs of smoke mean there's a fire, but rest assured the media vultures ambulance chasers will report it that way!
'See you in a couple of years after you are exonerated' is a phone call to his manager, not a public meeting. And it is probably the call half a dozen clubs have made because it is PR 101 to not give the appearance of association with individuals who's alleged actions go against causes the club appears to support.
All these what if justifications only serve to show how stupid the action was. If you don't want people worried about fire, maybe don't make the smoke in the first place.
It's been reported that Thomas parted way with his manager so that was not an option, and it may also be the case that Thomas himself contacted the club to express an interest in going to Moorabbin once this matter has been concluded satisfactorily. For all we know Thomas has met in a similar manner with other clubs which evaded notice by the media.
I still maintain that in merely having a quiet chat with Thomas, Gubby Allen did nothing wrong. It was the usual beat-up by Channel 9s Tom Morris who couldn't hide his delight to once again sink the boot into our club.
And mark my words, if and when Thomas is permitted to resume his career by the AFL, meaning he is unlikely to offend again, there'll be any number of clubs that will beat a path to his door.
"Any candidate for political office, once chosen for leadership, must have the will to take the wheel of a very powerful car, tasked from time to time to make a fast journey down a narrow, precipitous mountain road – and be highly skilled at driving. Otherwise, he is disqualified from the company of competent leaders."
John Carroll, Professor Emeritus of Sociology at La Trobe University.
Sanctorum wrote: ↑Mon 12 Aug 2024 4:13pm
An interesting thought: Garry Lyon speculated that if Tarryn Thomas wants to extend his career playing AFL he would be well advised to do so in the lower leagues for a period of time to demonstrate that he has reformed his bad behaviour towards females once and for all.
Could it be that Gubby Allen was discussing this very idea with Thomas over coffee, noting that St Kilda has a strong First Nations players support network, plus the work of psychologists and social welfare counsellers based at Moorabbin's Danny Frawley Wellness Centre?
We will never know what actually transpired at that fateful meeting, but Gubby would have been well aware that Thomas would not be permitted to play footy at any level until the AFL gives him the all-clear, so there was never a possibility that the club would bring him onboard in any shape or form before that point has been reached, if in fact it ultimately does....
So the suggestion that St Kilda FC committed a grave error of judgment in this little episode is in my view questionable.
Not all puffs of smoke mean there's a fire, but rest assured the media vultures ambulance chasers will report it that way!
'See you in a couple of years after you are exonerated' is a phone call to his manager, not a public meeting. And it is probably the call half a dozen clubs have made because it is PR 101 to not give the appearance of association with individuals who's alleged actions go against causes the club appears to support.
All these what if justifications only serve to show how stupid the action was. If you don't want people worried about fire, maybe don't make the smoke in the first place.
It's been reported that Thomas parted way with his manager so that was not an option, and it may also be the case that Thomas himself contacted the club to express an interest in going to Moorabbin once this matter has been concluded satisfactorily. For all we know Thomas has met in a similar manner with other clubs which evaded notice by the media.
I still maintain that in merely having a quiet chat with Thomas, Gubby Allen did nothing wrong. It was the usual beat-up by Channel 9s Tom Morris who couldn't hide his delight to once again sink the boot into our club.
And mark my words, if and when Thomas is permitted to resume his career by the AFL, meaning he is unlikely to offend again, there'll be any number of clubs that will beat a path to his door.
That is just more excuses that site how gubby stuffed it. If Thomas has no manager, phone call him direct. If he has lost his phone maybe send him an email or call his mum. Don't meet him in person in a public place where it can splash back controversy on the club. Maybe that's ok 20 years ago but not anymore and especially in 2024 where violence against women is under the (rightful) spotlight.
Even if you are in to recruiting him now (which obviously I am not) you should hate this stuff up. If clubs are still after him in a year or two when he has proven reformed and is 26+, we have had to come out publicly and say we aren't interested, so we have gone and closed that door ourself, or at least left ourselves open to being called a hypocrite again.
CURLY wrote: ↑Tue 13 Aug 2024 2:51pm
Still no idea what the issue is.
Maybe you should have sat this one out then. If you don't understand DV by now, with everything going on in the country, I'm afraid it's too late for you.
and despise the Pies, the Blues, and the Injectors.
) retired law enforcement officer Loris, I am genuinely interested in your opinion on potential rehabilitation of Thomas and why you do not think he deserves at least a meeting with the club?
