Stats are a garbage argument
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10505
- Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
- Location: WARBURTON
- Has thanked: 148 times
- Been thanked: 1344 times
Stats are a garbage argument
No idea why people throw up stats alone as a measure of a players worth.
Contested possession
Disposal efficiency
Score involvments
Tackles
All bulls***
Contested possession
Disposal efficiency
Score involvments
Tackles
All bulls***
NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12099
- Joined: Sun 11 Sep 2011 2:26pm
- Has thanked: 3705 times
- Been thanked: 2578 times
- skeptic
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 17048
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 7:10pm
- Has thanked: 3663 times
- Been thanked: 2927 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
Are there any particular stats that are bothering you at the moment Curly?
Something on your mind perhaps
Something on your mind perhaps
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10505
- Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
- Location: WARBURTON
- Has thanked: 148 times
- Been thanked: 1344 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
Contested possessions are easily the worst
NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12744
- Joined: Thu 04 Jul 2019 8:53pm
- Has thanked: 5 times
- Been thanked: 2716 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
I’d rather get 30 than 15
Lay 10 tackles than 5
Have 90% DE instead of 50%
Stats measure performance
Lay 10 tackles than 5
Have 90% DE instead of 50%
Stats measure performance
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10505
- Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
- Location: WARBURTON
- Has thanked: 148 times
- Been thanked: 1344 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
Not on their own they don’t.
NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12099
- Joined: Sun 11 Sep 2011 2:26pm
- Has thanked: 3705 times
- Been thanked: 2578 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
Be specific captain obvious
General statements are garbage as well
Did you watch the game yesterday CURLY?
Tell us who you thought were our best players and why
I noticed you haven't voted in the votes thread. Do you pick and choose when to vote? Are you planning to vote
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10505
- Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
- Location: WARBURTON
- Has thanked: 148 times
- Been thanked: 1344 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
Scollop wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:11pm Be specific captain obvious
General statements are garbage as well
Did you watch the game yesterday CURLY?
Tell us who you thought were our best players yesterday and why
I noticed you haven't voted in the votes thread. Do you pick and choose when to vote? Are you planning to vote
Didn’t realise I was required to vote.
Yes I’ve watched the replay and we played well . The stats call is a general observation of all games and as I said contested possessions the matrix of such is bulls***.
NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12099
- Joined: Sun 11 Sep 2011 2:26pm
- Has thanked: 3705 times
- Been thanked: 2578 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
You started a fkn thread. You weren't 'required' to start itCURLY wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:16pmScollop wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:11pm Be specific captain obvious
General statements are garbage as well
Did you watch the game yesterday CURLY?
Tell us who you thought were our best players yesterday and why
I noticed you haven't voted in the votes thread. Do you pick and choose when to vote? Are you planning to vote
Didn’t realise I was required to vote.
Yes I’ve watched the replay and we played well . The stats call is a general observation of all games and as I said contested possessions the matrix of such is bulls***.
Why bother if you don't want to be specific
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10505
- Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
- Location: WARBURTON
- Has thanked: 148 times
- Been thanked: 1344 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
Scollop wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:18pmYou started a fkn thread. You weren't 'required' to start itCURLY wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:16pmScollop wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:11pm Be specific captain obvious
General statements are garbage as well
Did you watch the game yesterday CURLY?
Tell us who you thought were our best players yesterday and why
I noticed you haven't voted in the votes thread. Do you pick and choose when to vote? Are you planning to vote
Didn’t realise I was required to vote.
Yes I’ve watched the replay and we played well . The stats call is a general observation of all games and as I said contested possessions the matrix of such is bulls***.
Why bother if you don't want to be specific
I’ve posted 3 times the matrix of these stats are bulls***.
A contested possession is nothing like an actual contested majority of the time. The same with tackles.
NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12744
- Joined: Thu 04 Jul 2019 8:53pm
- Has thanked: 5 times
- Been thanked: 2716 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
Here I was thinking
That games are generally won or lost in the contest
Brad Scott lamented his teams lack of contest as the reason why they were poor
That games are generally won or lost in the contest
Brad Scott lamented his teams lack of contest as the reason why they were poor
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10505
- Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
- Location: WARBURTON
- Has thanked: 148 times
- Been thanked: 1344 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
Not what I’m saying. A contested ball is measured and there’s no one actually near them most of the time. It’s ridiculous
NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
- skeptic
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 17048
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 7:10pm
- Has thanked: 3663 times
- Been thanked: 2927 times
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12099
- Joined: Sun 11 Sep 2011 2:26pm
- Has thanked: 3705 times
- Been thanked: 2578 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
I used to love reading some of the quality in depth footy discussion on this forum. There were lots of people who provided quality and clarity
And then...there's CURLY. Self appointed Mr Football in his own mind... but he just can't communicate wtf he's on about
Are you afraid of criticising one of our players or maybe offending someone here?
Give us something CURLS. Make it specific to our fkn game yesterday or to ANY fkn player in ANY fkn game
And then...there's CURLY. Self appointed Mr Football in his own mind... but he just can't communicate wtf he's on about
Are you afraid of criticising one of our players or maybe offending someone here?
Give us something CURLS. Make it specific to our fkn game yesterday or to ANY fkn player in ANY fkn game
- D.B.Cooper
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2210
- Joined: Sun 24 Oct 2021 5:50pm
- Has thanked: 792 times
- Been thanked: 753 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
It is very difficult to comprehend what Mr/ Mrs Football is stating, as he/she operates at a level of intricate football knowledge above any other forum member.Scollop wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:57pm I used to love reading some of the quality in depth footy discussion on this forum. There were lots of people who provided quality and clarity
And then...there's CURLY. Self appointed Mr Football in his own mind... but he just can't communicate wtf he's on about
Are you afraid of criticising one of our players or maybe offending someone here?
Give us something CURLS. Make it specific to our fkn game yesterday or to ANY fkn player in ANY fkn game
I think what ‘they’ are trying to state, is the collective of the data, and what constitutes a stat is the issue, not the multiple of the stat.
For example: if you are standing next to a player at a boundary throw in and the ball is hit directly to them and you wrap your arms around them you record a tackle, the same stat as a 20mt run down goal saving tackle.
If you do a quick on line search you’ll most likely find an article from where he/she has garnered their opinion, but he/she is not able to articulate their reworded version.
There's only one rule in the jungle! When the LYON's hungry, he eats!
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10505
- Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
- Location: WARBURTON
- Has thanked: 148 times
- Been thanked: 1344 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
Daicos had 3 contested possessions in the first 5 minutes. Not one was he in a contested situation. The way these stats are measured are just not a true indication of a player.
Someone ratting off stats to judge a players game or ability is just not a satisfactory way to do so.
NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10505
- Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
- Location: WARBURTON
- Has thanked: 148 times
- Been thanked: 1344 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
Scollop wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:57pm I used to love reading some of the quality in depth footy discussion on this forum. There were lots of people who provided quality and clarity
And then...there's CURLY. Self appointed Mr Football in his own mind... but he just can't communicate wtf he's on about
Are you afraid of criticising one of our players or maybe offending someone here?
Give us something CURLS. Make it specific to our fkn game yesterday or to ANY fkn player in ANY fkn game
I like this Mr Football.
Cheers
NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
- D.B.Cooper
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2210
- Joined: Sun 24 Oct 2021 5:50pm
- Has thanked: 792 times
- Been thanked: 753 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
OMG, I speak Curly
To be fair he/ she did pretty well, it only took them 7 posts to articulate their point, that would be a record.
Last edited by D.B.Cooper on Sun 28 Jul 2024 5:30pm, edited 1 time in total.
There's only one rule in the jungle! When the LYON's hungry, he eats!
- D.B.Cooper
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2210
- Joined: Sun 24 Oct 2021 5:50pm
- Has thanked: 792 times
- Been thanked: 753 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
You missed a bit….Mr FootballCURLY wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2024 5:24pmScollop wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:57pm I used to love reading some of the quality in depth footy discussion on this forum. There were lots of people who provided quality and clarity
And then...there's CURLY. Self appointed Mr Football in his own mind... but he just can't communicate wtf he's on about
Are you afraid of criticising one of our players or maybe offending someone here?
Give us something CURLS. Make it specific to our fkn game yesterday or to ANY fkn player in ANY fkn game
I like this Mr Football.
Cheers
Self appointed Mr Football in his own mind
There's only one rule in the jungle! When the LYON's hungry, he eats!
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10505
- Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
- Location: WARBURTON
- Has thanked: 148 times
- Been thanked: 1344 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2024 5:24pmOMG, I speak Curly
Unfortunately to many run to stats and use them as there only justification as to a players performance.
NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10505
- Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
- Location: WARBURTON
- Has thanked: 148 times
- Been thanked: 1344 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2024 5:26pmYou missed a bit….Mr FootballCURLY wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2024 5:24pmScollop wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:57pm I used to love reading some of the quality in depth footy discussion on this forum. There were lots of people who provided quality and clarity
And then...there's CURLY. Self appointed Mr Football in his own mind... but he just can't communicate wtf he's on about
Are you afraid of criticising one of our players or maybe offending someone here?
Give us something CURLS. Make it specific to our fkn game yesterday or to ANY fkn player in ANY fkn game
I like this Mr Football.
Cheers
Self appointed Mr Football in his own mind
I don’t claim to be the oracle DB like yourself. These are just observations and clearly old Scollop must be a SuperCoach player
NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12099
- Joined: Sun 11 Sep 2011 2:26pm
- Has thanked: 3705 times
- Been thanked: 2578 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
Once you pick up a loose ground ball, it's a contested possession and rightly so.
You actually have possession of a 'contested' footy without competing against someone to win the ball, but getting it on your boot and disposing of it is another thing.
There's heat, there's speed on the game, and you only have a split second to make a decision on what to do with it.
You actually have possession of a 'contested' footy without competing against someone to win the ball, but getting it on your boot and disposing of it is another thing.
There's heat, there's speed on the game, and you only have a split second to make a decision on what to do with it.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10505
- Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
- Location: WARBURTON
- Has thanked: 148 times
- Been thanked: 1344 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2024 5:26pmYou missed a bit….Mr FootballCURLY wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2024 5:24pmScollop wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:57pm I used to love reading some of the quality in depth footy discussion on this forum. There were lots of people who provided quality and clarity
And then...there's CURLY. Self appointed Mr Football in his own mind... but he just can't communicate wtf he's on about
Are you afraid of criticising one of our players or maybe offending someone here?
Give us something CURLS. Make it specific to our fkn game yesterday or to ANY fkn player in ANY fkn game
I like this Mr Football.
Cheers
Self appointed Mr Football in his own mind
I don’t claim to be the oracle DB like yourself. These are just observations and clearly old Scollop must be a SuperCoach player
NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
- SaintPav
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 19154
- Joined: Wed 16 Jun 2010 9:24pm
- Location: Alma Road
- Has thanked: 1609 times
- Been thanked: 2030 times
Re: Stats are a garbage argument
Points kicked for and against
Garbage
Garbage
Holder of unacceptable views and other thought crimes.