..at the risk of positivity ..

[saynta]

Oh FFS, King is worth 10 Caminitis who is not even a VFL quality footballer at this point in time.

Glad the Club doesn't listen to hairbrain suggestions.

[spert]

This isn't going to be popular but I wonder if trading Max King to bring in midfield recruits is the answer and put the development into Caminiti as out number one banana. Sometimes you have to be ruthless, Clarko did it when he first got to Hawthorn and it looks like Mitchell is doing it again at the Hawks.

We love our Messiahs though at St Kilda but I'm not sold on King as being a reliable asset.

Plausible, but I would make Sharman our number one banana

I reckon Sharman's progress is being hampered by not having a definite role- one minute forward, next on a wing, then down back. The guy is a forward with real goal-sense, just leave him in the forward half for the rest of the season to develop.

[Scollop]

This isn't going to be popular but I wonder if trading Max King to bring in midfield recruits is the answer and put the development into Caminiti as out number one banana. Sometimes you have to be ruthless, Clarko did it when he first got to Hawthorn and it looks like Mitchell is doing it again at the Hawks.

We love our Messiahs though at St Kilda but I'm not sold on King as being a reliable asset.

Plausible, but I would make Sharman our number one banana

I reckon Sharman's progress is being hampered by not having a definite role- one minute forward, next on a wing, then down back. The guy is a forward with real goal-sense, just leave him in the forward half for the rest of the season to develop.

That's too logical.

You have to be on $500K salary (or higher) to fit in the forward line every time that you're fit and available

[Sanctorum]

This isn't going to be popular but I wonder if trading Max King to bring in midfield recruits is the answer and put the development into Caminiti as out number one banana. Sometimes you have to be ruthless, Clarko did it when he first got to Hawthorn and it looks like Mitchell is doing it again at the Hawks.

We love our Messiahs though at St Kilda but I'm not sold on King as being a reliable asset.

Blimey Vort, can't believe you're so set on trading Max King to another club.

You fail to understand that despite his lackadaisical body language on the field, the stats prove that he will become one of the comp's best tall key forwards in the years to come.

Yesterday on another thread where you posted similar comments, I listed stats to show that compared to other key tall forwards, Max King is tracking remarkably well:

"In the four years from age 20 to 23 inclusive:

Tom Hawkins played 80 games and kicked 159 goals, 88 behinds (247 sog)
Harry Mackay played 65 games and kicked 126 goals, 89 behinds (215 sog)
Max King played 71 games and kicked 140 goals, 113 behinds (253 sog)"

If you add Richmond gunTom Lynch, King looks even better:

67 games for 109 goals, 74 behinds (183 sog)

Then there's twin brother Ben who was out with an ACL in 2022, but if you include 2019 his 4 season stats were:

73 games for 129 goals, 75 behinds (204 sog)

Do these figures not prove to you that Max King is the real deal and should remain with St Kilda?

If you remain unimpressed, why would you let the team's best key forward go to another club?

[saynta]

This isn't going to be popular but I wonder if trading Max King to bring in midfield recruits is the answer and put the development into Caminiti as out number one banana. Sometimes you have to be ruthless, Clarko did it when he first got to Hawthorn and it looks like Mitchell is doing it again at the Hawks.

We love our Messiahs though at St Kilda but I'm not sold on King as being a reliable asset.

Blimey Vort, can't believe you're so set on trading Max King to another club.

You fail to understand that despite his lackadaisical body language on the field, the stats prove that he will become one of the comp's best tall key forwards in the years to come.

Yesterday on another thread where you posted similar comments, I listed stats to show that compared to other key tall forwards, Max King is tracking remarkably well:

"In the four years from age 20 to 23 inclusive:

Tom Hawkins played 80 games and kicked 159 goals, 88 behinds (247 sog)
Harry Mackay played 65 games and kicked 126 goals, 89 behinds (215 sog)
Max King played 71 games and kicked 140 goals, 113 behinds (253 sog)"

If you add Richmond gunTom Lynch, King looks even better:

67 games for 109 goals, 74 behinds (183 sog)

Then there's twin brother Ben who was out with an ACL in 2022, but if you include 2019 his 4 season stats were:

73 games for 129 goals, 75 behinds (204 sog)

Do these figures not prove to you that Max King is the real deal and should remain with St Kilda?

If you remain unimpressed, why would you let the team's best key forward go to another club?

On big footy he/she posts under another name but has been exposed as a follower of another club, Carlton from memory.

[Scollop]

Vortex is sometimes stubborn. He makes early BIG calls and sometimes he changes his mind

Like the time he said he'd put $10K on the bar

He made a call on Hannebery from the moment the trade was made and stuck to his guns saying it was a wise move...right up until the time of Hanna's retirement

He made a call on Cooper Sharman after 7 games and he's sticking to it.

He made a call on Collingwood not making the 8 this year 'due to their aging list' and he feels vindicated... even though it's injuries to both young and old that is costing them. hahaha 11 games to go Vort

He made a call on King way back in August 2022. He said he was fragile. He cost us games. He cost us a spot in finals. He possibly cost Ratts his job...etc

Funny thing was that before that...Vort thought King was going to be a superstar

[remboy]

Dint know what happened there

It was a good post. Worth repeating a few times.

[SaintPav]

We’ll hit a decent patch of form eventually and may even get on a bit of a roll. It could start this week.

King is frustrating but I wouldn’t trade him unless its for something like 3 first rounders which is probably never going to happen.

[Rubyjo]

This isn't going to be popular but I wonder if trading Max King to bring in midfield recruits is the answer and put the development into Caminiti as out number one banana. Sometimes you have to be ruthless, Clarko did it when he first got to Hawthorn and it looks like Mitchell is doing it again at the Hawks.

We love our Messiahs though at St Kilda but I'm not sold on King as being a reliable asset.

Plausible, but I would make Sharman our number one banana

Shabanana

[Vortex]

This isn't going to be popular but I wonder if trading Max King to bring in midfield recruits is the answer and put the development into Caminiti as out number one banana. Sometimes you have to be ruthless, Clarko did it when he first got to Hawthorn and it looks like Mitchell is doing it again at the Hawks.

We love our Messiahs though at St Kilda but I'm not sold on King as being a reliable asset.

Blimey Vort, can't believe you're so set on trading Max King to another club.

You fail to understand that despite his lackadaisical body language on the field, the stats prove that he will become one of the comp's best tall key forwards in the years to come.

Yesterday on another thread where you posted similar comments, I listed stats to show that compared to other key tall forwards, Max King is tracking remarkably well:

"In the four years from age 20 to 23 inclusive:

Tom Hawkins played 80 games and kicked 159 goals, 88 behinds (247 sog)
Harry Mackay played 65 games and kicked 126 goals, 89 behinds (215 sog)
Max King played 71 games and kicked 140 goals, 113 behinds (253 sog)"

If you add Richmond gunTom Lynch, King looks even better:

67 games for 109 goals, 74 behinds (183 sog)

Then there's twin brother Ben who was out with an ACL in 2022, but if you include 2019 his 4 season stats were:

73 games for 129 goals, 75 behinds (204 sog)

Do these figures not prove to you that Max King is the real deal and should remain with St Kilda?

If you remain unimpressed, why would you let the team's best key forward go to another club?

I get all that but why is he not helping us become a force, he just doesn't feel like a weapon, do you think "weapon" when you think of Max King?

[cwrcyn]

200cm+ key forwards are so rare. To give one away would be insane.

Okay, he's not Nick Riewoldt or Jeremy Cameron, but he's a handful for opposition backmen. The only reason you would move him on is if you had an equally tall, agile forward who's ready to blossom.

[Vortex]

The only reason you would move him on is if you had an equally tall, agile forward who's ready to blossom.

Enter the Hammer! And he's got some peacock about him which is what you want in a key forward, he's got the ole Dermie head bobble thing going on.

[Devilhead]

Maybe if Caminiti kept his head still he might not miss simple set shots like he did against Melbourne to get us within a goal

Seriously give it up VortCairn

[Vortex]

This isn't going to be popular but I wonder if trading Max King to bring in midfield recruits is the answer and put the development into Caminiti as out number one banana. Sometimes you have to be ruthless, Clarko did it when he first got to Hawthorn and it looks like Mitchell is doing it again at the Hawks.

We love our Messiahs though at St Kilda but I'm not sold on King as being a reliable asset.

Blimey Vort, can't believe you're so set on trading Max King to another club.

You fail to understand that despite his lackadaisical body language on the field, the stats prove that he will become one of the comp's best tall key forwards in the years to come.

Yesterday on another thread where you posted similar comments, I listed stats to show that compared to other key tall forwards, Max King is tracking remarkably well:

"In the four years from age 20 to 23 inclusive:

Tom Hawkins played 80 games and kicked 159 goals, 88 behinds (247 sog)
Harry Mackay played 65 games and kicked 126 goals, 89 behinds (215 sog)
Max King played 71 games and kicked 140 goals, 113 behinds (253 sog)"

If you add Richmond gunTom Lynch, King looks even better:

67 games for 109 goals, 74 behinds (183 sog)

Then there's twin brother Ben who was out with an ACL in 2022, but if you include 2019 his 4 season stats were:

73 games for 129 goals, 75 behinds (204 sog)

Do these figures not prove to you that Max King is the real deal and should remain with St Kilda?

If you remain unimpressed, why would you let the team's best key forward go to another club?

Don't mind me, just thinking on my feet with this one, I just want to see King become a weapon in our side and not just an average player that is either an unreliable asset or not performing to an elite level on a consistent basis and always is given excuses for his performances.

[B.M]

Give away a 202cm 100kg power forward top 5 draft selection

And bank on a 193cm 90kg hybrid who was a late mid season selection that lacks ground level ability

You know it makes sense

Caminiti and Sharman were rookie picks for a reason

[Devilhead]

On average he has kicked more goals than Caminiti this year with more goal assists and more marks and takes the best back every week

And has been playing under an injury cloud

But hey Caminiti is the answer

[Vortex]

Give away a 202cm 100kg power forward top 5 draft selection

And bank on a 193cm 90kg hybrid who was a late mid season selection that lacks ground level ability

You know it makes sense

Caminiti and Sharman were rookie picks for a reason

Caminiti is 196cm and 100kg,

[D.B.Cooper]

Lol, can't believe people would want to lose to secure a lower pick and a free agent.
I guess they have never been exposed to an elite sporting environment and understand the concept of winning.

F@rk the draft pick, perform to your best every game regardless of the outcome fight for victory in every match like your life depends upon it.

Yep I know it cost North HR, but stuff it.
Never conceded.

[The_Dud]

Caminiti runs around like a headless chook.

[B.M]

Where does it say Hammer is 100kg?

He’s listed as 85
I’d have him around 92-94

[Big Max]

The only reason you would move him on is if you had an equally tall, agile forward who's ready to blossom.

Enter the Hammer! And he's got some peacock about him which is what you want in a key forward, he's got the ole Dermie head bobble thing going on.

Hey Vortex, if you really think Caminitti is that good, what do you reckon we'd get for him in a trade? A couple of early draft picks? A quality mid?

[Vortex]

The only reason you would move him on is if you had an equally tall, agile forward who's ready to blossom.

Enter the Hammer! And he's got some peacock about him which is what you want in a key forward, he's got the ole Dermie head bobble thing going on.

Hey Vortex, if you really think Caminitti is that good, what do you reckon we'd get for him in a trade? A couple of early draft picks? A quality mid?

Zero trade value

To be honest I don't really think he's got super star potential, I think he's possibly not reached his ceiling yet whereas with Sharman I'm convinced he's reached his ceiling and not capable of AFL grade footy..

My concerns over Max currently are that he's not going to be a reliable asset whether that be through injury or poor form and attitude, whereas Caminiti I think looks like he won't suffer from those issues and will be a really hard honest team player hence I'm not too concerned about having a super star as our key forward.

I'd like to see Caminiti be gifted the same amount of games as Sharman to see if he can make it...about 40 games.

Sometimes a Messiah can anchor a whole team to the rocks whereas a team of hard working, agreesive competitors desperate for the ultimate success can get the job done.

[spert]

Caminiti to me seems more like the old second ruck/ forward type of player, who does the bulk of the ruck work in the forward half, where Sharman is a straight out forward.

[Beno88]

It's worth remembering that this exact time 12 months ago, Carlton sat 15th, with just four wins. The media was ripping into them, fans were furious and Michael Voss was in deep trouble. Many overlooked their difficult draw and their soft run home. Sydney & GWS sat directly above them. Also suffering underwhelming seasons. All three were long odds to feature in September.

All three made the finals, Carlton and GWS going on to reach the prelims.

Carlton's circuit breaker, a strong win over Gold Coast in Melbourne in June...

2024 isn't dead just yet.

[SteeleSaints]

Oh FFS, King is worth 10 Caminitis who is not even a VFL quality footballer at this point in time.

Glad the Club doesn't listen to hairbrain suggestions.

Caminiti is 3 years behind King in age and development. If they were both 20yo and I was wanting to build a premiership team I would select Caminiti every day of the week. Solely because he is aggressive, he gives second efforts, he chases and tackles and lifts his team mates around him with his enthusiasm. Caminiti has also shown he is pretty resilient and has the frame to fill out into a big strong unit, which is showing now with his rucking. King is always going to be a string bean and as a result will always be injury prone.

King has never looked like he enjoys playing the game its just something he does because he is good at it. Every week it looks like a chore to him and something he would rather not be doing. I dont know if he has always played so sulky but his body language and attitude needs a major shake up IMO. He is a good player but I doubt very much he is ever going to reach the levels his potential shows.