Leadership group

[B.M]

1- Steele - Capt
2 - Wilkie- VC
3 - Sinclair
4 - Ross
5 - Marshall

Well done!!!!

[skeptic]

Seems about right

[Yorkeys]

No forwards?
Does that group lack maturity or smarts.
I wonder if Brad Hill was close.

[Vortex]

It's a great group

RoMa is Captain material

[King Max]

No forwards?
Does that group lack maturity or smarts.
I wonder if Brad Hill was close.

He was very close. His locker is right next to Jack Steele's

[Scollop]

1- Steele - Capt
2 - Wilkie- VC
3 - Sinclair
4 - Ross
5 - Marshall

Well done!!!!

BUMP

I just watched FoxFooty show 'On The Couch'. They showed examples of leadership and connection on field.

Our leaders have as much responsibility as the coach to lift this playing group.

Steele is working his backside off the last month or so and he is leading the way for effort and consistency. Same with most of the leaders, but are we connected? Most of our leaders are playing well but do they talk enough... both between each other...and to other individuals on field?

Do our leaders have regular quick meetings out there on field? I'd love to see them support each other more and talk to each other more.

Secondly: These guys all cemented themselves as our best players AND as leaders prior to RL's arrival. Where is the next bunch?

Do we have the right people to mentor our young players to become future captains?

[B.M]

Our leaders aren’t the problem

They are all doing well

Our game plan is flawed

Our midfield is lacking

Our forward line is dysfunctional (due to our ball movement)

[Scollop]

I understand what you're saying...But little things count. Did you watch 'On the Couch' with examples from Swans players? It's a mindset.

When I see our team on field, I feel like they're playing as individuals and not as s team. If Hammer or Sharman marks, where's the emotional support. Where's one of their team mates getting in their ear.

It starts at training. Talk to Caminiti about his goal kicking. Ask him during training what he does and what he thinks is important.

Then... during the game...get across to him after he takes a mark. Reinforce in his head for him to do what he said he'd do. Same with Cooper. How can he continue to miss easy set shots and no one is there to talk to him before his routine.

Is the coach being too negative on everyone?

[Vortex]

Zero leadership.

I hope Lyon had a chat with Steele about his poor attitude, especially not giving chase.

We still don't have any players who stand up when. team is taking the game away from us, least of all Steele.

His goal celebration lacked more emotion than a Max King goal celebration.

He gets his stats up but Steele isn't a good Captain for our young side.

They should give it to someone else next season and let Steele just focus on his game as its clear that's what he needs.

[Scollop]

Zero leadership.

I hope Lyon had a chat with Steele about his poor attitude, especially not giving chase.

We still don't have any players who stand up when. team is taking the game away from us, least of all Steele.

His goal celebration lacked more emotion than a Max King goal celebration.

He gets his stats up but Steele isn't a good Captain for our young side.

They should give it to someone else next season and let Steele just focus on his game as its clear that's what he needs.

Do you still hold a grudge against Jack Steele for his relationship (or lack of) with Alan Richardson?

[Vortex]

Zero leadership.

I hope Lyon had a chat with Steele about his poor attitude, especially not giving chase.

We still don't have any players who stand up when. team is taking the game away from us, least of all Steele.

His goal celebration lacked more emotion than a Max King goal celebration.

He gets his stats up but Steele isn't a good Captain for our young side.

They should give it to someone else next season and let Steele just focus on his game as its clear that's what he needs.

Do you still hold a grudge against Jack Steele for his relationship (or lack of) with Alan Richardson?

Yeah, I wrote it down so I wouldn't forget it...tool.

[B.M]

It was Seb Ross

Now it’s Jack Steele

Who is regarded as the best two way mid in the game - yes there is offence and defence

Steele gives 100% every week. He is a dual AA and has finished on the podium at least 5 times in the B&F
This year he’ll win his third

He leads by example

Which is the ONLY thing I ever asked of a captain

I’ll follow you, if you set the example!

Their little speeches and communication meant fk all. Lead by your actions

There is no current sainter I’d rather go to war with than Jack Steele

Then you’ve got the ever reliable undersized Wilkie

And the whole hearted Rowan Marshall

There’s 3 leader who exemplify the traits you want in your group


Leadership pffft - it’s all smoke and mirrors

[Vortex]

It was Seb Ross

Now it’s Jack Steele

Who is regarded as the best two way mid in the game - yes there is offence and defence

Steele gives 100% every week. He is a dual AA and has finished on the podium at least 5 times in the B&F
This year he’ll win his third

He leads by example

Which is the ONLY thing I ever asked of a captain

I’ll follow you, if you set the example!

Their little speeches and communication meant fk all. Lead by your actions

There is no current sainter I’d rather go to war with than Jack Steele

Then you’ve got the ever reliable undersized Wilkie

And the whole hearted Rowan Marshall

There’s 3 leader who exemplify the traits you want in your group


Leadership pffft - it’s all smoke and mirrors

He sooked it up on the weekend and didn't even give chase after he was beaten in the contest. Not the first time he's done that.

[Scollop]

It was Seb Ross

Now it’s Jack Steele

Who is regarded as the best two way mid in the game - yes there is offence and defence

Steele gives 100% every week. He is a dual AA and has finished on the podium at least 5 times in the B&F
This year he’ll win his third

He leads by example

Which is the ONLY thing I ever asked of a captain

I’ll follow you, if you set the example!

Their little speeches and communication meant fk all. Lead by your actions

There is no current sainter I’d rather go to war with than Jack Steele

Then you’ve got the ever reliable undersized Wilkie

And the whole hearted Rowan Marshall

There’s 3 leader who exemplify the traits you want in your group


Leadership pffft - it’s all smoke and mirrors

He sooked it up on the weekend and didn't even give chase after he was beaten in the contest. Not the first time he's done that.

I just watched the whole of the second half. There was no incident where he 'didn't even give chase after he was beaten in the contest'

We were 49 points down at one stage in the last quarter when Jack received in the middle of the ground and he sold some candy, ran ten metres, took a bounce then kicked a lovely lace out stab pass to Higgins who was spoilt by Liam Henry also attempting to go for the mark.

Steele followed up and went to kick it to Henry again but it was a tired kick and intercepted by Neal-Bullen in front of Henry. Steele was buggered and dejected after his poor kick.

Steele thought the umpire was going to pay it as a mark, but the umpire called play-on, not 15. He wasn't the closest player to Alex. There was exactly 10 minutes and 14 seconds left on the clock.

Incidentally, Jack was easily our best player up until this time. Worked his ring off.

If you were frustrated and angry and dejected as a fan...right at this moment...I can understand your pain, but Steele shouldn't be the target of your frustration. Not justified.

If there's another incident,then give us a time frame. What quarter? Either you are talking through your backside or your bias is messing with your perception of things.

[Vortex]

It was Seb Ross

Now it’s Jack Steele

Who is regarded as the best two way mid in the game - yes there is offence and defence

Steele gives 100% every week. He is a dual AA and has finished on the podium at least 5 times in the B&F
This year he’ll win his third

He leads by example

Which is the ONLY thing I ever asked of a captain

I’ll follow you, if you set the example!

Their little speeches and communication meant fk all. Lead by your actions

There is no current sainter I’d rather go to war with than Jack Steele

Then you’ve got the ever reliable undersized Wilkie

And the whole hearted Rowan Marshall

There’s 3 leader who exemplify the traits you want in your group


Leadership pffft - it’s all smoke and mirrors

He sooked it up on the weekend and didn't even give chase after he was beaten in the contest. Not the first time he's done that.

I just watched the whole of the second half. There was no incident where he 'didn't even give chase after he was beaten in the contest'

We were 49 points down at one stage in the last quarter when Jack received in the middle of the ground and he sold some candy, ran ten metres, took a bounce then kicked a lovely lace out stab pass to Higgins who was spoilt by Liam Henry also attempting to go for the mark.

Steele followed up and went to kick it to Henry again but it was a tired kick and intercepted by Neal-Bullen in front of Henry. Steele was buggered and dejected after his poor kick.

Steele thought the umpire was going to pay it as a mark, but the umpire called play-on, not 15. He wasn't the closest player to Alex. There was exactly 10 minutes and 14 seconds left on the clock.

Incidentally, Jack was easily our best player up until this time. Worked his ring off.

If you were frustrated and angry and dejected as a fan...right at this moment...I can understand your pain, but Steele shouldn't be the target of your frustration. Not justified.

If there's another incident,then give us a time frame. What quarter? Either you are talking through your backside or your bias is messing with your perception of things.

You clearly missed it, re watch the WHOLE game. Maybe slow it down just to help.

[Otiman]

Steele has gotten away for a very long time with being the captain by being a good player and leading by example.

Now it's clear we need different on field leadership - of the old captain-coach style.

[Beno88]

We've been void of AFL-standard leadership since Riewoldt retired.

[Life Long Saint]

We've been void of AFL-standard leadership since Riewoldt retired.

And why was Riewoldt a good leader? Because he was developed under a system that understood what leadership really meant.

Who do we have?
1- Steele - Capt
2 - Wilkie- VC
3 - Sinclair
4 - Ross
5 - Marshall

How many of those actually lead in addition to being our better players?
Leadership isn't making your best player captain, vice captain, or dvc...Some of the best leaders are players that you'd never put in the best players, but are some of the first you'd pick.
It was no fluke that under Thomas and Lyon that we had great leaders in the club...Hayes, Ball, Hamill, Harvey, Riewoldt...I am sure if the system was allowed to continue, you could have added Dal Santo, Goddard, McEvoy, etc to the list.
We needed to go back to the rotating captain model after Riewoldt relinquished the captancy and handed it over to Geary.

None of the players in the leadership group scream leader to me...other than they lead by example...But that is but one quality of a leader.

I wonder if we have a program for our leadership group that helps them become better leaders?

[The Fireman]

blaming leadership for our woes is clutching at straws.

these blokes need to take ownership for their performances.

[Otiman]

blaming leadership for our woes is clutching at straws.

Or it could be a symptom of our bigger issues.

[Otiman]

We've been void of AFL-standard leadership since Riewoldt retired.

And why was Riewoldt a good leader? Because he was developed under a system that understood what leadership really meant.

Who do we have?
1- Steele - Capt
2 - Wilkie- VC
3 - Sinclair
4 - Ross
5 - Marshall

How many of those actually lead in addition to being our better players?
Leadership isn't making your best player captain, vice captain, or dvc...Some of the best leaders are players that you'd never put in the best players, but are some of the first you'd pick.
It was no fluke that under Thomas and Lyon that we had great leaders in the club...Hayes, Ball, Hamill, Harvey, Riewoldt...I am sure if the system was allowed to continue, you could have added Dal Santo, Goddard, McEvoy, etc to the list.
We needed to go back to the rotating captain model after Riewoldt relinquished the captancy and handed it over to Geary.

None of the players in the leadership group scream leader to me...other than they lead by example...But that is but one quality of a leader.

I wonder if we have a program for our leadership group that helps them become better leaders?

Hill and Wood are leaders. That is clear as day. I'd bet Tom Campbell is, too.

Being a leader is not a 'job' or a 'role', it's not about seniority. It's in everything you do.

[The Fireman]

blaming leadership for our woes is clutching at straws.

Or it could be a symptom of our bigger issues.

everything adds up I guess but leadership is down near the bottom as far as I'm concerned.

[B.M]

How are you judging leadership

Team Performance?

[SaintWiki]

Players should be enjoying themselves, feeling well prepared or confident and onfield player leadership give the appearance of committed performance.

It looks like our leadership group seem to principally lead by example only, and coaches who work from the bench give the impression they are 100% invested in winning the game at hand.

[Otiman]

If we rely on the coaches for everything on game day, we will go nowhere.

Clearly there are some gaps here especially around our ability to close out tight ones.

No wonder Ross is complaining about the number of runner messages.

Teach, empower, engage the playing group.