Team vs Freo (Walyalup)

[Teflon]

I think not rewarding good form at Sandy is a bigger picture decision than Jones alone. You have to say that you value performance at that level as a metric for AFL selection.

I think what you’re seeing is a true measure of the list….
You can’t pull your socks up …you know the rest …

[Jacks Back]

I think not rewarding good form at Sandy is a bigger picture decision than Jones alone. You have to say that you value performance at that level as a metric for AFL selection.

I think what you’re seeing is a true measure of the list….
You can’t pull your socks up …you know the rest …

I don't know what the rest of that saying is but they can't pull their socks up anymore anyway because they wear those little ones.

[ace]

It is the bottom 6 players who lose you matches.
Replacing the bottom 6 players with similar quality players does not improve the team but it may stimulate the other players to play better.

[ace]

At least St kilda won't lose this fortnight, pity I can't say the same for the weak Euro-Yroke team.

[Moods]

I’m really disappointed that Pou has been picked after just one game being dropped.
I’ll be staggered if the kid has an impact. He needed to go back and put together a really good block of games and hopefully, he never gets dropped again,

[Scollop]

Weak and reactive. Ross Lyon's 'whateva' selection.

What utter garbage
Just post “I hate Lyon”
Leave it at that cause this is dribbling

The messiah can do no wrong
He could have dropped 10 players and Mr Dupont would still be calling him a genius

What would Pou's team mates be thinking after he is dropped for just one match but Cooper has to play 3 games for Sandringham? Wtf else did you need to see?

Cooper Sharman was best on ground for Sandringham 2 weeks ago. Where was his reward?

Doesn't bring in Dow when he should have against a strong Hawthorn midfield. Dow has played 3 games in a row for the Zebras...as opposed to Liam Henry...who Lyon threw straight in at the deep end

Liam Henry should have come back through the magoos after a 7 week layoff. The kid didn't quite have his confidence or touch.

Doesn't play a goal sneak 2 weeks ago when both Butler and Higgins were out and now decides to bring him in after an undisciplined act at VFL level

And what about young Anthony? What are you going to do if Membrey kicks 3 goals at Sandringham in a couple of weeks from now?

Not consistent. Not logical.

Weak and reactive is spot on

[Scollop]

Coach decides to manage 3 players altogether in the same week as he drops another 3.

That's 6 changes. Sometimes you can have too many changes. Need continuity for consistent performance

Why couldn't you see this coming when 3 weeks ago, YOU were the guy complaining about tough schedules?

Why not manage several guys over several weeks before it comes to such s disappointing effort against the Hawks?

Why not manage Skunk and Sebby and be pre-emptive for older players on interstate trips?

Read the tea leaves Ross.

[Vortex]

I think not rewarding good form at Sandy is a bigger picture decision than Jones alone. You have to say that you value performance at that level as a metric for AFL selection.

Yes but,

Your measurement system for good form at Sandy is not necessary and accurate way to determine if that form will be suitable at AFL level due to not only VFL standard being considerably lower, but also Sandy being a considerably low standard within the VFL.

It would make it hard for our coaches to get a good measure of Sandy players and how they might perform at the elite level and so selection must sometimes be a 'suck it and see' type proposition.

[jays]

I’m loving the changes kids for plotting oldies, whoever giving RTB s*** is crazy what else can he do?

[SaintDippa]

I gotta feeling Saturday night going to be a good night. I can feel it. If Ross, the coaches and selected 23 watched the Suns and agree to play a fast moving, the 'footy is always moving forward' brand, we win.

[Teflon]

I’m loving the changes kids for plotting oldies, whoever giving RTB s*** is crazy what else can he do?

Apparently it’s his fault 1.5yrs in the club hasn’t recruited a mid for past 10 years …
I think there’s just so much pent up hate for Lyon that some of these “supporters” would be happy if he just failed
Bizarre.
Anyhoo the sane fair weather brigade will jump on if things turn don’t worry bout that ..we know who you are though …

[The_Dud]

Is Ross the boss becoming less cuddly? Are we finally going to start getting selection integrity??

Would have liked to see Pou have a longer run in the 2s.

Also Hayes the saviour only lasted 2 weeks. (Or 1.5)

[asiu]

Read the tea leaves Ross.

somewhere , i heard Ross say
that he watched the 2nds run round

besides , that being an example of the new ross in action ... one would presume , reading tea leaves was exactly what he was at the game for

... and there's the new onfield team
as written in the empty cup

[meher baba]

For mine, the lineup is better in some respects, but disappointing in others. But I always find it best to defer to the club's understanding of where individual players are at:not only in terms of how they have played in the AFL or VFL, but in training, mental attitude, etc.

Assuming all of these players concerned are fully fit, I would have made four changes at most: Dow or Jones (toss a coin), Caminiti, Cordy and Philippou for Hastie, Garcia, Hayes and Membrey. Unless he's unfit, dropping Stocker seems wrong to me: he's been a good player for us all season. Ditto Seb Ross.

I'm not at all convinced that Dow is going to be the top flight performer many on SS seem to believe him to be. I can't get out of my head his total invisibility during the first half of the VFL games against the Roos and the Hawks. To me it suggests that he struggles with the pace of the game. Jones had a good game against the Roos and worked hard against the Hawks but made a heap of mistakes. I hope both Dow and Jones have blinders on Saturday.

I'd rather not have seen Sharman back. I love his attitude, I love some of his skills, but I don't think he's of consistent AFL quality. I appreciate that both Hayes and Membrey needed to be omitted, but I think Caminiti and Cordy would be the best available replacements.

Unlike other posters, I have no problem with Philippou coming straight back. He played well on Sunday and, more importantly, gave his all. I think he's going to be a great player for us very soon.

But, as I said, I think the club is best placed to know whom to pick. It's a pretty important game: if we don't win - and, in particular, if we fail to kick a dozen or more goals - things are going to get uglier for the club and coach.

[Scollop]

Read the tea leaves Ross.

somewhere , i heard Ross say
that he watched the 2nds run round

besides , that being an example of the new ross in action ... one would presume , reading tea leaves was exactly what he was at the game for

... and there's the new onfield team
as written in the empty cup

Love your optimism

…sorry…here come the BUT

There’s a world of difference between reading the leaves and …being reactive

I saw worrying signs weeks ago. We didn’t play well against GWS.

We’d only kicked 6 goals up until 3/4 time. GWS had lost Sam Taylor very early in the game

King had a chance to take advantage fir a couple of quarters( before he too got injured) but he was hopeless. Buckley (their second string KPD) did a job on him.

Then in the 3rd quarter, they lose another important player who was having an impact (Stephen Coniglio).

They had injuries to a couple of other players who stayed out there and were playing sore, including Josh Kelly

The following week, only 1 change was made. King out. Zac Jones in.

We lost to GWS by 1 point so people would think it was ok to not make too many changes…

The final score didn’t tell the full story.

Once again…only 1 change was made for the following week when we were up against the Western Bulldogs

Howard was left out (remember they have Lobb, Darcy and Naughton, with the bean pole English also a forward target at times

Lyon did not play Dougal Howard.

Following week against Port. He plays Howard and keeps Cordy in the line up.

In that Port game, both Sebby Ross and Tim Membrey were disappointing. That was the queue to rest them…

But oh no…super coach decides they need a hit out against North Melbourne…

Finally rests them now after Hawks disaster.

You mentioned vfl. Dow and Sharman have been good for 2-3 weeks. Sharman was best on ground 2 weeks ago

Cooper Sharman and Paddy Dow should have been in the team that travelled to Tassie…and possibly Lance boy would have helped too with a couple of snags to add to our sorry score line

To me…selection decisions all over the shop. Evidence to say coach is being reactive.

[bigcarl]

Don’t mind the changes. It seems an attempt to address our midfield (Dow and Jones) and forward (Caminiti, Sharman and Collard) shortcomings. And it’s not necessarily a reflection on the guys omitted and managed.

Will it pay off on Saturday? Who knows, but at least Ross is trying things as he must. Don’t forget that this would be the worst-performing Saints side he has been in charge of.

Collard is an interesting one. Worst on ground for Sandi reportedly, including costing them the game with an ill-disciplined act. It’s testament to the fact that we desperately lack a goal sneak in the absence of Higgins and Butler. Good chance for the kid to put his hand up.

[Scollop]

Bringing Pou back in after 1 game in the magoos is ok by me, BUT…he didn’t get a rest last week

If you notice the reasons for dropping several players this week it says ‘managed’

If it’s ok to ‘manage’ Seb, Tim and other players, then I’d like to see Pou managed at some stage

Also Wilson. He’s in his first year and he has been fantastic so far….but

Let’s not play him until he gets fatigued and loses form like Pou did last year

[asiu]

that was a good read , after ...

BUT

quite the em 'power' ing word

i quite like it , luvved using it my elf many times

though

i eradicated it (intentfully) from my vocabulary
'n replaced it with .... though

though , is grander in expansiveness
em brace ing
that , that has gone before



'n not a signal
implying
that , that , lol , that has gone before
is
ipso facto ... wrongo

***

love ya work mate

[takeaway]

Read the tea leaves Ross.

somewhere , i heard Ross say
that he watched the 2nds run round

besides , that being an example of the new ross in action ... one would presume , reading tea leaves was exactly what he was at the game for

... and there's the new onfield team
as written in the empty cup

Love your optimism

…sorry…here come the BUT

There’s a world of difference between reading the leaves and …being reactive

I saw worrying signs weeks ago. We didn’t play well against GWS.

We’d only kicked 6 goals up until 3/4 time. GWS had lost Sam Taylor very early in the game

King had a chance to take advantage fir a couple of quarters( before he too got injured) but he was hopeless. Buckley (their second string KPD) did a job on him.

Then in the 3rd quarter, they lose another important player who was having an impact (Stephen Coniglio).

They had injuries to a couple of other players who stayed out there and were playing sore, including Josh Kelly

The following week, only 1 change was made. King out. Zac Jones in.

We lost to GWS by 1 point so people would think it was ok to not make too many changes…

The final score didn’t tell the full story.

Once again…only 1 change was made for the following week when we were up against the Western Bulldogs

Howard was left out (remember they have Lobb, Darcy and Naughton, with the bean pole English also a forward target at times

Lyon did not play Dougal Howard.

Following week against Port. He plays Howard and keeps Cordy in the line up.

In that Port game, both Sebby Ross and Tim Membrey were disappointing. That was the queue to rest them…

But oh no…super coach decides they need a hit out against North Melbourne…

Finally rests them now after Hawks disaster.

You mentioned vfl. Dow and Sharman have been good for 2-3 weeks. Sharman was best on ground 2 weeks ago

Cooper Sharman and Paddy Dow should have been in the team that travelled to Tassie…and possibly Lance boy would have helped too with a couple of snags to add to our sorry score line

To me…selection decisions all over the shop. Evidence to say coach is being reactive.

Not all football pundits seem to see worrying signs as early as you Scolops. Coaches included. Even after the event.

Whether making more changes as you suggest would have made a positive difference, who knows? We may have lost by more, or won by less.

I'm glad Dow is in, as he has played some good AFL games for Blues, and has pace. Apart from a very good quarter, has only been reasonable in VFL, and imo has not really banged the door down to get in. Same with Sharman, a good game (was it mainly down back?), but nothing really noteworthy. Sharman is inconsistent, needs some good games in a block. Here's hoping.

Collard hasn't done much in VFL either, but we are desperately missing a busy body forward like Higgins.

I'm not sold on Stocker, does some good things but gets beaten too often. Like Caminiti in, but he and King need to work together better, Caminiti often plays as the No.1 tall forward, problem is King IS the No.1 forward. They have played together a few times this year, seem to be getting in each other's way too often from my viewpoint.

[Brunswicksainter]

Really disappointing to see jones selected has not played a good game at afl level in a very long time.

[Scollop]

Not all football pundits seem to see worrying signs as early as you Scolops. Coaches included. Even after the event.

I'm just a plebeian fan. An outsider

The coaches have the insight. It's Ross's job to analyse and predict.

The coaches are paid to review each player's performance AND to watch training and to assess on the inside.

We outsiders wouldn't be criticising if we saw good football being played.

If you want to believe the excuses for our poor showing against Hawthorn, that's your business

I'm glad Sharman has been named and I hope we use him as a leading forward. I'm glad Caminiti has been named and hoping he and King work better together than they have in the past.

Hoping Caminiti and Sharman aren't just dropped after 1 week. Let's see the combination of these 3 young talls for at least a few weeks.

Also... let's see Dow get a fair run at this level, without being replaced by Crouch in 2 weeks.

[takeaway]

Not all football pundits seem to see worrying signs as early as you Scolops. Coaches included. Even after the event.

"Also... let's see Dow get a fair run at this level, without being replaced by Crouch in 2 weeks."

That's up to Dow. Once Crouch is match fit, he's an automatic inclusion, so he'll replace someone.

[Teflon]

Gotta see what they got
Good changes

[samuraisaint]

Way back when - Big Lazar welcomes the Dockers to the Big League

[terry smith rules]

I maybe and hope I am wrong

But

I am completely staggered that Collard gets a game

His form in the VFL has been ordinary at best and I think it does nothing for selection integrity for him to now get a game