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Killa wrote: ↑Tue 14 May 2024 10:18pm
We have never replaced Carlisle - and that has been to our detriment
My view is that you build sides from defence
So there is your answer from me
Yes, we also need support for Marshall and for King but the question is where are the options across the competition
And mids - well, we have started with Windhager, potentially Owens and with Wilson and Henry (noting Sinclair as an option also)
We went after DeGoey - and if we do go after a mid he needs to be of that quality at least so again where are the options
You start where you can start
And I would note Melbourne’s recruiting of May and Lever and their importance to Melbourne
We were rated no 1 defence last year and sit 6th in pts against this year ... I think Carlisle was well and truly replaced
Defence currently isnt our issue
Spot on. Did any tall forwards kick a goal against us on the weekend? Answer is no …they didn’t.
Meek kicked one when Hayes thought he'd take a dive and earn a free kick. Umpire didn’t get sucked in
Meek was their number 1 ruck all day, so our defenders did their job. Same with the week prior against North
Carlisle used to run around loose in the backline while Nathan Brown, Josh Bruce and Wilkie used to be the defenders. Battle was essentially doing the intercept marking since 2021 and he’s a better defender. Howard is also a better defender than Carlisle.
Can’t see him leaving Carlton to come to us.
On one of the tv shows someone said “ Saints aren’t playing finals next year why would McCluggage go there?”
Another show comment “ McKay has tightened up bombers backline and at the time of trade we questioned how much they were paying but has been worth it.
Food for thought.
He is an UFA at the end of next year when he'll be 28.
Carlton are not going to let him go when they're contending.
And we shouldn't be chasing him if it's going to cost us high draft picks.
Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Wed 15 May 2024 9:25am
He is an UFA at the end of next year when he'll be 28.
Carlton are not going to let him go when they're contending.
And we shouldn't be chasing him if it's going to cost us high draft picks.
So he’s a RFA this offseason, therefore if he accepts an off Carlton can match it or take the compensation pick.
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Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Wed 15 May 2024 9:25am
He is an UFA at the end of next year when he'll be 28.
Carlton are not going to let him go when they're contending.
And we shouldn't be chasing him if it's going to cost us high draft picks.
So he’s a RFA this offseason, therefore if he accepts an off Carlton can match it or take the compensation pick.
That's not how it works.
He's contracted to the end of 2025 at which time he becomes a free agent.
His restricted/unrestricted status is determined by where he sits in salary related to other players at Carlton.
He'd be unrestricted because they have Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, McKay, and Curnow. Not sure what they're paying Saad also.
The only way to get him at the end of the season is via trade. And he wouldn't come cheap.
Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Wed 15 May 2024 9:25am
He is an UFA at the end of next year when he'll be 28.
Carlton are not going to let him go when they're contending.
And we shouldn't be chasing him if it's going to cost us high draft picks.
So he’s a RFA this offseason, therefore if he accepts an off Carlton can match it or take the compensation pick.
He is under contract until next year, only way to leave Carlton this year is by trade, which would not be happening.
Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Wed 15 May 2024 9:25am
He is an UFA at the end of next year when he'll be 28.
Carlton are not going to let him go when they're contending.
And we shouldn't be chasing him if it's going to cost us high draft picks.
So he’s a RFA this offseason, therefore if he accepts an off Carlton can match it or take the compensation pick.
That's not how it works.
He's contracted to the end of 2025 at which time he becomes a free agent.
His restricted/unrestricted status is determined by where he sits in salary related to other players at Carlton.
He'd be unrestricted because they have Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, McKay, and Curnow. Not sure what they're paying Saad also.
The only way to get him at the end of the season is via trade. And he wouldn't come cheap.
Apologies, didn’t see this was posted before I replied!
With their injury list, who constituted the Hawthorn attack?
Noting Hawthorn won the game by only 5 points
So that is one game against a lower ranking Club
And what happened when we played the Western Bulldogs, a team with variable form
The challenging sides do not rely on one KPP sized player in their attacking 6
We have the very competent Howard at 199cm but absent the weight of May then Battle (193cm) then Wilkie (191cm), both midfield size
Yes, they perform most admirably but, given another KPP sized (and class) defender can Battle and Wilkie become more proactive not matched against players of greater size and at least equal ability?
Then you get to our need to push Marshall back - so you cause problems for other sides by Marshall pushing forward
Having contributed that, the deployment of Keeler is of interest and given what he has shown over recent weeks no doubt his name is being mentioned - along with Schoenmaker who missed with concussion last week (and this?)
We have cap space available so surely the strategy is to target what we need at the top end. One of those things is a top 5 defender in the league. Howard is not that. Do i think he will come NO , but will it mean Carlton will need to overpay to keep him, YES.
Similar for McCluggae which then weakens the ability of others. My thinking is the longer game - LDU is who they have targeted, if they get either of the other 2 bonus, but if both have to overpay to keep the others that is 2 top 8 options removed from the equation. GWS already near the top of cap too, Syd likely to lose Haywood as cant afford him, so method to the madness
It's all smoke and mirrors. I think Weitering is very slow. It's a good kick up the arse for Doogs. Maybe Doogs will ask for a pay rise. That's the natural thing to do.
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The cynic in me suggests that this is another classic case of a player manager whispering to gullible media that his gun player is slated to go to another team, done entirely to jack up his new salary when his contract is up for renewal.
Like the supposed Battle/Windhager BS rumour, meaningless nonsense, especially at this stage of the season.
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