Drafting 25

[seano1]

Do we start playing for a better draft position for 2025 now .. start playing all our youngsters getting game time into them accepting this season is gone …..which it is i believe.
Get whoever needs operations done now do they are right for pre season.
Guys like Heath , Keeler need game time to see where they’re at …. If they are no good put the next one in and stop wasting time on them.
Mid season draft has to be midfielders who can actually deliver the ball to a forward who is leading not standing tall for a bomb it in and hope for the best

[B.M]

Rebuilding

The biggest myth in footy!!!

Getting your picks right is key

Geelong in 2007 had pick 8 - selected Bartel
We had pick 5 - selected X. Clarke

We had pick 21 and selected M.Maguire
They had 24 and selected Steve Johnson

Dal Santo 13 and Kelly 17 was a nil all draw

We had pick 37 selected Montagna
They had pick 40 (f/s) Gary Ablett Jnr

That’s why they won 3 premierships and we won zero

Got to get pick right - especially high picks

[Life Long Saint]

Geelong in 2007 had pick 8 - selected Bartel
We had pick 5 - selected X. Clarke

We had pick 21 and selected M.Maguire
They had 24 and selected Steve Johnson

Dal Santo 13 and Kelly 17 was a nil all draw

We had pick 37 selected Montagna
They had pick 40 (f/s) Gary Ablett Jnr

That’s why they won 3 premierships and we won zero

Got to get pick right - especially high picks

Bartel won the Brownlow in 2007. He was drafted in 2001!

That draft was good no matter who you got. We were thrown with Clarke as West Coast surprisingly selected Judd when most expected Sampi to go with that pick.
The other major factor with Geelong's drafting was that Ablett was selected as a F/S with pick 40.

I would still argue that our draft selections were good enough. I am not unhappy with any of them and hindsight drafting is the easiest game in town.
Geelong have been the best and most consistent team at player development. They had their own VFL team since it's merging with the VFA...Allowing their players to be like shark's teeth...If one goes down, there's another ready to take their place playing the right way for the team.

Geelong took Charlie Gardiner before they took Johnson. And Johnson nearly didn't make it as an AFL player. Very, very troubled early on. I doubt that we would have picked him and backed ourselves to develop him with his attitude. Could have been another Caydn Beetham.

I was more than happy with the careers of Dal Santo, Montagna, Clarke, and MCGuire in the RW&B.

It's very easy to pick the right player 23 years after they were drafted.

[Otiman]

Build a winning culture, play to win every game. Throw everything at it and build that mentality.

As soon as you play for picks you lose.

Just ask North. Hawthorn, Carlton, Essendon.

[B.M]

I was ok with who we drafted

Ball - injury
X.Clarke - injury
Maguire - Injury

But fact is Geelong drafted better! That why they won 3

And there is no doubt they developed better!


JB interviewed Stevie J and was very much looking at him in 01
But ultimately went for Maguire who was a reach at 21 as he was predicted to go 40-60 range

[Saint 58]

I was ok with who we drafted

Ball - injury
X.Clarke - injury
Maguire - Injury

But fact is Geelong drafted better! That why they won 3

And there is no doubt they developed better!


JB interviewed Stevie J and was very much looking at him in 01
But ultimately went for Maguire who was a reach at 21 as he was predicted to go 40-60 range

Geelong won those three flags cos of the F/S rules at the time
Hawkins, Abllet & Scarlett as third round selections
This allowed them to also select Selwood, Bartel & I forget the third guy

Under todays rules - no Selwood, no Bartel, no third guy
They would not have made the GF in 2007
We would have crushed them in 2009 IF they had got there
Pies would also have beaten them in 2011, again IF they had got there

This may have also stopped free agents going there for the “culture” BS
and we wouldn’t be crapping on about how great they are!!

[bobmurray]

AFL clubs are starting to say they can't rebuild via the draft, the way it's designed with it's built in compromises makes it almost impossible.
So how does a club rebuild, does it take 58 years and adding ?

[Vortex]

AFL clubs are starting to say they can't rebuild via the draft, the way it's designed with it's built in compromises makes it almost impossible.
So how does a club rebuild, does it take 58 years and adding ?

It takes stability and a long time, our club has been stuck in an antiquated business model for a very long time that sacks coaches when the going gets tough. Need to take a leaf out of WC Eagles book and not let the media or other external noises run the club.

The most important person at the club right now is the Prez, he can't afford to blink, this is his deck of cards and he has to stay the coarse no matter how long that is.

[B.M]

They were the rules at the time - they got a bit lucky

But still

To win 4 premierships in 15 years and only miss the finals once and never ‘rebuild’ is commendable

We couldn’t do it

Remember
We were also the beneficiary of 2 priority picks and 2 x Number 1 picks and 2 x number 2 picks in 3 years

Something Geelong never got

[spert]

They were the rules at the time - they got a bit lucky

But still

To win 4 premierships in 15 years and only miss the finals once and never ‘rebuild’ is commendable

We couldn’t do it

Remember
We were also the beneficiary of 2 priority picks and 2 x Number 1 picks and 2 x number 2 picks in 3 years

Something Geelong never got

Geelong were very strong and focussed from the top down from around the mid 00s and the management of the club didn't take poor performances from anyone in a leadership role including the coach. In contrast, we have had a history of weak administration and always looked for the magic wand solution to our problems, looking for star quality and quick fixes and letting the tail wag the dog rather than building a solid foundation. It has happened again with a president with stars in his eyes looking for star appeal to somehow improve the club. We should never have gone backwards and dragged Lyon back into it. We failed miserably after we dragged Blight back from retirement with $$, and it's all going to blow up in our faces again.

[Otiman]

Are we forgetting about Geelongs Father/Son premierships?

Breed to succeed.

[B.M]

They never got priority picks

We did

[Nick DalSanto Claus]

And we had the disadvantage of having Elshaug and Pelchen in charge of our post-2011 "rebuild", which failed miserably, and for which we are still paying.

It's important to get those early picks right, but it's more important to get the pickers of the picks, right.

[B.M]

Most were sucking their balls at the time!!!

SS were Springfield
Pelchen was Lyle Lanley

[perfectionist]

Geelong won the flags in that era because they had Scarlett and Enright. Either one plays with us and we win flags. We were never going to get Scarlett (F/S) but Corey Enright (6 AAs) at pick 47 was one of the greatest "fluke" picks of all time. We took Caydn Beetham (9) and Jason Blake (24) ahead of Enright.

[Nick DalSanto Claus]

Add the terrible record of John Beveridge's recruiting. He is described as a "guru", based mainly on the fact that he'd survived for 30 years.

Check his record. It's shocking, overall. It was our trading in of players, such as Gehrig, Hamill, Penny, Guerra, Black, Powell, Lawrence, Voss, Gardner and King, that helped turn us around.

He was not responsible for securing these players. Had he not had Riewoldt handed to him, his record would be shambolic. He even stuffed up the best draft pack ever seen in 2001. Yes, he did pick Ball, Dal Santo and Montagna, but missing Judd by trying to be too smart cost us at least two flags.

Don't trust me on this. Check his record, including drafting players sight-unseen, such as Howard and Sweeney amongst others. Do the names of Quirk, Sims, Malone, our number one pick used on Harding, Russo and Nugent ring a bell? With the exception of Malone, who was a first rounder, all the others were our number one picks. Three number one and another first rounder, all wasted.

His refusal to draft Jack Riewoldt was also a howler. He went for Armitage, despite Roo begging him to take his cousin.

His record in the 90's was also poor. He was no guru. His record is down right embarassing.

I often wonder why he cops so little criticism on here, when he was the architect of our mediocrity.

He was in charge from 1983 until 2008, and after that he remained on as a "consultant" to Peake, Pelchen, Elshaug and Liberatore. Those four remain as the guilty partners in our continued mediocrity.

Hopefully SOS, Gubby, Dalrymple, Lambert and our scouts can now rectify things. Thank goodness COVID gifted us Windy and Mitchito.

[Otiman]

Add the terrible record of John Beveridge's recruiting. He is described as a "guru", based mainly on the fact that he'd survived for 30 years.

Not enough credit was given to Toce for the succesful drafting.

Gags was good as well, but only from a SA perspective.

[D.B.Cooper]

I agree with BM's point, drafting is key.

It is easy to say Geelong got a huge kiss on the d!ck with their father son selections of Hawkins and Ablett, but we got priority selections in 200 (#2 and #5 in the 2001 super draft) so I don't believe we have anything to bitch about.

Geelong's drafting was OK in 1999 as well, with the following:
Joel Corey #8
Chapman #31
Ling #38
Enright #47
All Australian guns in the 2nd and third rounds.

We gave up #17 to Freo for Heath Black, Freo traded it to Geelong who picked James Kelly (with our traded pick).

Like all clubs Geelong had plenty of busts, but played to the rules of the time but also drafted brilliantly in 1999 & 2001 setting up their legacy.

[D.B.Cooper]

Add the terrible record of John Beveridge's recruiting. He is described as a "guru", based mainly on the fact that he'd survived for 30 years.

Not enough credit was given to Toce for the succesful drafting.

Gags was good as well, but only from a SA perspective.

Gags did a good job in identifying SA talent, but was an atrocious list Manager and deal maker.

Had a butt average reputation in the finance industry as well.

[D.B.Cooper]

Add the terrible record of John Beveridge's recruiting. He is described as a "guru", based mainly on the fact that he'd survived for 30 years.

Check his record. It's shocking, overall. It was our trading in of players, such as Gehrig, Hamill, Penny, Guerra, Black, Powell, Lawrence, Voss, Gardner and King, that helped turn us around.

He was not responsible for securing these players. Had he not had Riewoldt handed to him, his record would be shambolic. He even stuffed up the best draft pack ever seen in 2001. Yes, he did pick Ball, Dal Santo and Montagna, but missing Judd by trying to be too smart cost us at least two flags.

Don't trust me on this. Check his record, including drafting players sight-unseen, such as Howard and Sweeney amongst others. Do the names of Quirk, Sims, Malone, our number one pick used on Harding, Russo and Nugent ring a bell? With the exception of Malone, who was a first rounder, all the others were our number one picks. Three number one and another first rounder, all wasted.

His refusal to draft Jack Riewoldt was also a howler. He went for Armitage, despite Roo begging him to take his cousin.

His record in the 90's was also poor. He was no guru. His record is down right embarassing.

I often wonder why he cops so little criticism on here, when he was the architect of our mediocrity.

He was in charge from 1983 until 2008, and after that he remained on as a "consultant" to Peake, Pelchen, Elshaug and Liberatore. Those four remain as the guilty partners in our continued mediocrity.

Hopefully SOS, Gubby, Dalrymple, Lambert and our scouts can now rectify things. Thank goodness COVID gifted us Windy and Mitchito.

Whilst you are correct about our drafting, I do remember being told by a club official in 2004 that JB was brilliant at identifying talent but was provided significantly fewer resources than other clubs and we were not professional in this department.

I can't validate but this sounds too St kilda like to be incorrect.

[Otiman]

What's our draft hand like in this years draft? I recall we did a bunch of pick trades and I think have Adelaide's second rounder.

[CURLY]

Can’t compare Vic teams with a Geelong list with the various advantages they have. The father sons on top of go home/ lifestyle they can offer.

Our list was in front of theirs at the end of 2006.

[Saint 58]

I agree that drafting is the key
The point with Geelong is not their f/s picks
It's the fact that they got them for peanuts & still got Selwood, Bartel, etc.
Then the AFL realised they had to change it
Too late ... Three flags, thank you very much

Even now using a bunch of late picks for points is BS
If a f/s is worth a first rounder, that's what it should cost you
If you don't have a first rounder, get one
If you can't get one, too bad

[Nick DalSanto Claus]

Add the terrible record of John Beveridge's recruiting. He is described as a "guru", based mainly on the fact that he'd survived for 30 years.

Check his record. It's shocking, overall. It was our trading in of players, such as Gehrig, Hamill, Penny, Guerra, Black, Powell, Lawrence, Voss, Gardner and King, that helped turn us around.

He was not responsible for securing these players. Had he not had Riewoldt handed to him, his record would be shambolic. He even stuffed up the best draft pack ever seen in 2001. Yes, he did pick Ball, Dal Santo and Montagna, but missing Judd by trying to be too smart cost us at least two flags.

Don't trust me on this. Check his record, including drafting players sight-unseen, such as Howard and Sweeney amongst others. Do the names of Quirk, Sims, Malone, our number one pick used on Harding, Russo and Nugent ring a bell? With the exception of Malone, who was a first rounder, all the others were our number one picks. Three number one and another first rounder, all wasted.

His refusal to draft Jack Riewoldt was also a howler. He went for Armitage, despite Roo begging him to take his cousin.

His record in the 90's was also poor. He was no guru. His record is down right embarassing.

I often wonder why he cops so little criticism on here, when he was the architect of our mediocrity.

He was in charge from 1983 until 2008, and after that he remained on as a "consultant" to Peake, Pelchen, Elshaug and Liberatore. Those four remain as the guilty partners in our continued mediocrity.

Hopefully SOS, Gubby, Dalrymple, Lambert and our scouts can now rectify things. Thank goodness COVID gifted us Windy and Mitchito.

Whilst you are correct about our drafting, I do remember being told by a club official in 2004 that JB was brilliant at identifying talent but was provided significantly fewer resources than other clubs and we were not professional in this department.

I can't validate but this sounds too St kilda like to be incorrect.

Unfortunately, DBC, we are both right. It was well known in the AFL industry that during the 90s and onto the GT era, our recruiting budget was almost non-existent. Excuse accepted.

The brilliant talent spotting? A big maybe, but does it explain his inability to select those he had identified, if he did at all?

My main point was that Elshaug and Pelchen cop a lot of s*** on here. Based purely on his record, JB is just as culpable, if not moreso than those two.

[Bowey Boy]

Rebuilding

The biggest myth in footy!!!

Getting your picks right is key

Geelong in 2007 had pick 8 - selected Bartel
We had pick 5 - selected X. Clarke

We had pick 21 and selected M.Maguire
They had 24 and selected Steve Johnson

Dal Santo 13 and Kelly 17 was a nil all draw

We had pick 37 selected Montagna
They had pick 40 (f/s) Gary Ablett Jnr

That’s why they won 3 premierships and we won zero

Got to get pick right - especially high picks

Geelong were gifted champions like Ablett and Hawkins. We got David Sierakowski and Stuart Annand on the silver service platter. Clearly we were too stupid to recognise that Petracca and Judd were decent footballers. And that Ben Cousins was a very good indecent footballer.