Excuses

[B.M]

Farken sick of them

Even the club, the coach make them

Ever since I’ve supported StK there has always been excuses for mediocrity

Can’t win in Tassie - Hawthorn did
Can’t win in NZ - teams that beat us could
Can’t win interstate - good teams do
Can’t win in China - Port did
Can’t win in prime time - again, good teams do
Can’t win on Good Friday - not sure why
We have injuries - like everyone else
We have poor time slots - deservedly so
Umpires killed us - Richmond have by far the worse free kick differential and they won 3 flags
Fixture - we get relatively easy draws
Coach is no good - cop out

Face up to reality- then and only then can we be successful. There is systemic failure at StK

Only person I’ve ever heard admit it - GT

Alcoholics can only get better if they admit they have a problem

We have a farken problem- and excuses in a press conference is exactly what allow it!

Fix the fkn loser culture - and we might see success

Until then - we are irrelevant

[MoorabbinMilkCrate]

We have a farken problem- and excuses in a press conference is exactly what allow it!

Fix the fkn loser culture - and we might see success

These 2 lines make it sound like you are implying that our Coach was manifesting our alleged "loser culture" last night after the game. Is this right?

If so, did he possess that loser culture in 2009 & 2010?

[saintkev]

Farken sick of them

Even the club, the coach make them

Ever since I’ve supported StK there has always been excuses for mediocrity

Can’t win in Tassie - Hawthorn did
Can’t win in NZ - teams that beat us could
Can’t win interstate - good teams do
Can’t win in China - Port did
Can’t win in prime time - again, good teams do
Can’t win on Good Friday - not sure why
We have injuries - like everyone else
We have poor time slots - deservedly so
Umpires killed us - Richmond have by far the worse free kick differential and they won 3 flags
Fixture - we get relatively easy draws
Coach is no good - cop out

Face up to reality- then and only then can we be successful. There is systemic failure at StK

Only person I’ve ever heard admit it - GT

Alcoholics can only get better if they admit they have a problem

We have a farken problem- and excuses in a press conference is exactly what allow it!

Fix the fkn loser culture - and we might see success

Until then - we are irrelevant

I’d rather have ruthless Ross, than cuddly Ross. Being the players’ best friend won’t work. They don’t have to like him.

[Yorkeys]

It's times/games like this where a comment from Tony74 would be mightily appreciated.

[amusingname]

I think Ross is giving reasons/excuses because he knows what fans don’t want to accept. At the moment we are not that good, so rather than just come out and say that and lose commercial support and interest, he takes on the excuses that are suggested to him in the press conferences. I think he knows that if we match what we did last year we have done reasonably well, then keep bringing in more talent.

[Otiman]

There's media Ross, and there's coach Ross.

They must be two different people.

Neither of them are cuddly.

[shrodes]

I think Ross is giving reasons/excuses because he knows what fans don’t want to accept. At the moment we are not that good, so rather than just come out and say that and lose commercial support and interest, he takes on the excuses that are suggested to him in the press conferences. I think he knows that if we match what we did last year we have done reasonably well, then keep bringing in more talent.

Wasn’t there a post match mid last year or so when we were on our big losing streak where he said this team isn’t good enough for finals and players need a clean out etc.

Then we ended up making finals and everyone kind of forgot and since then he’s been pretty media spin about the whole thing. It was like for one week he said what he felt and maybe got told to rein it in a little and since then it’s been kind of hard to get a beat on how much of what he’s saying is tongue in cheek, or platitudes, or just winding up the media.

I think this was the one I was thinking of
https://www.afl.com.au/news/978695/forg ... t-suns/amp

[Yorkeys]

Ok, don't like it and have the skepticism of the ignorant, but will grudgingly accept the physiological reason. However...
Why does Marshal, very early, have to kick a perfect pass to the Dogs for a walk in end to end goal instead of hitting a target e.g. a player clear and well in range or just kicking a chaos ball. Dumb or can't kick?
Why did Membrey play behind a guy taller than him and with better reflexes. Unsighted until it really didn't matter.
So on reflection I see the reason for a general malaise but don't understand basic craft nonsense from senior players. I worry Tim is only a down hill runner.

[St Lenny]

The press conference was pathetic, didn't install any confidence going forward, I couldn't listen to it.

[Scollop]

Ok, don't like it and have the skepticism of the ignorant, but will grudgingly accept the physiological reason. However...
Why does Marshal, very early, have to kick a perfect pass to the Dogs for a walk in end to end goal instead of hitting a target e.g. a player clear and well in range or just kicking a chaos ball. Dumb or can't kick?
Why did Membrey play behind a guy taller than him and with better reflexes. Unsighted until it really didn't matter.
So on reflection I see the reason for a general malaise but don't understand basic craft nonsense from senior players. I worry Tim is only a down hill runner.

Get rid of Marshall and Membrey?

Drop them?

Or...Coach them better?

What's your solution?

[The_Dud]

Need to stop accepting mediocrity and start demanding excellence.

Become ruthless.

[Otiman]

Need to stop accepting mediocrity and start demanding excellence.

Become ruthless.

And how does that go when we're just no good.

Backwards.

[The_Dud]

Need to stop accepting mediocrity and start demanding excellence.

Become ruthless.

And how does that go when we're just no good.

Backwards.

Ever heard the saying “short term pain for long term gain”?

[Otiman]

Need to stop accepting mediocrity and start demanding excellence.

Become ruthless.

And how does that go when we're just no good.

Backwards.

Ever heard the saying “short term pain for long term gain”?

Try telling our rabid supporter base that.

[cwrcyn]

The pitchfork mob on here are running through the village again

We have a lot of senior players out

We've had two five day breaks in 5 weeks

We have one stinking loss, and once again the froth spews forth from their mouths in incandescent rage.

Never ending anger and negativity

Tiresome and predictable

[Sainter_Dad]

The pitchfork mob on here are running through the village again

We have a lot of senior players out

We've had two five day breaks in 5 weeks

We have one stinking loss, and once again the froth spews forth from their mouths in incandescent rage.

Never ending anger and negativity

Tiresome and predictable

Give them a cup and they will be sated!

[Yorkeys]

I have another, more a deflection really, no matter how bad Thursday night was we are still well better than North and the Hawks. Case studies in how rebuilding is an adjective not a verb.

[The Fireman]

As devastated as I am over that last game, I’m not sure I will get over it in a short period of time but I still have faith in Ross turning this around and setting us up for good times ahead

Their are some here who have lost faith in his ability quoting childish inane crap like “magic wands etc”
That’s ok some find it difficult to appreciate or comprehend a positive position …there are plenty who can.

[Killa]

Reasons are not excuses

Reasons are what needs to be worked on - and that includes getting more of our key players back on the park and playing well

It is noted that post the injury to their talented key defender GWS have fallen in a hole - including late in the game against us

One played, a key player can make a difference

We have a side which includes the likes of Wanganeen-Milera, Owens, Windhager, Phillipou, Wilson and Garcia - so 25% of our side - and absent the leadership of our Senior players who are on the injured list

St Kilda’s record is what it is - just the one premiership

There are historical reasons from what I have been told - principally the financial circumstances of the Club

From the inner sanctum some number of years ago now there just were not the donors compared to what you saw at other Clubs and particularly the Clubs which dominated the competition

Only 1 side of 18 wins a flag any year - so you need all things going for you including having your best players consistently on the ground

[Killa]

IF some venting have had their fill of St Kilda and just the one premiership (so history), aligned to the position of the Club on the premiership ladder in 2024 then I suggest they change shift their support to who they think will win the 2024 flag, then change again in 2025 on the same criteria

Then they will be satisfied

In the meantime St Kilda are an football club competing in the AFL - and to supporters provide entertainment

It is not life and death

It is entertainment

As is the social discourse over the performance of the side/s St Kilda put on the park each and every week across the season

Someone wins

Someone loses

You assess the reasons for both - and work on improvement

We currently have kids filling a quarter of our side

Their progress is the future

[Tommyj]

I just wish people on here would pull their heads in ffs we lost all games under 10 points with a lot of kids except for this one, which I knew was coming given the draw and I just wonder for all you heroes in that age bracket would have coped with that scrap draw ,so to all you keyboard warriors kiss my ass