Injuries have derailed our season

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Re: Injuries have derailed our season

Post: # 2053622Post CURLY »

Otiman wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 12:21pm
CURLY wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 12:14pm
B.M wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 12:02pm Every Team has injuries

JUH and Libba missing last night

They would have been running first and second in their B&F
King
Howard
Henry
Crouch
Clark
Wood
Dow
Webster
Paton

Yeah poor Bulldogs.
124-64.

Yep injuries have cut us to bits.


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Re: Injuries have derailed our season

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The G Train Legacy wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 11:45am
Otiman wrote: Thu 18 Apr 2024 11:45pm Another cop out.

We took it to GWS, we took it to Collingwood and beat them, we came close to Geelong. With the same level of injuries.

Todays' performance wasn't injuries. It was much more than that.

"Emotion doesn't get it done". Maybe so, but it can certainly lose you the game if you don't turn up.
It wasn't only, but very much about injuries. Significant injury list of best 22 players (including a few midfielders) and I don't believe Sinclair is yet 100%

Another significant factor was 3 games, including 2 interstate (4 flights), in 11 days. We we're completely off, with lead in our legs.

The performance was very much about the above two issues
They flew to Adelaide and Canberra, not bloody Europe!


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Re: Injuries have derailed our season

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The_Dud wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 12:36pm
The G Train Legacy wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 11:45am
Otiman wrote: Thu 18 Apr 2024 11:45pm Another cop out.

We took it to GWS, we took it to Collingwood and beat them, we came close to Geelong. With the same level of injuries.

Todays' performance wasn't injuries. It was much more than that.

"Emotion doesn't get it done". Maybe so, but it can certainly lose you the game if you don't turn up.
It wasn't only, but very much about injuries. Significant injury list of best 22 players (including a few midfielders) and I don't believe Sinclair is yet 100%

Another significant factor was 3 games, including 2 interstate (4 flights), in 11 days. We we're completely off, with lead in our legs.

The performance was very much about the above two issues
They flew to Adelaide and Canberra, not bloody Europe!
Its not about the length of the flight, its about what high altitude does. Have you ever flown regularly? You may not consider such impact significant, however to an elite, finely tuned athlete, it makes a big difference.

It was glaringly obvious we were way off and heavy in the legs. Our mental game was a second behind the Bulldogs. A chasm at that level.


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Re: Injuries have derailed our season

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The G Train Legacy wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 1:07pm
The_Dud wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 12:36pm
The G Train Legacy wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 11:45am
Otiman wrote: Thu 18 Apr 2024 11:45pm Another cop out.

We took it to GWS, we took it to Collingwood and beat them, we came close to Geelong. With the same level of injuries.

Todays' performance wasn't injuries. It was much more than that.

"Emotion doesn't get it done". Maybe so, but it can certainly lose you the game if you don't turn up.
It wasn't only, but very much about injuries. Significant injury list of best 22 players (including a few midfielders) and I don't believe Sinclair is yet 100%

Another significant factor was 3 games, including 2 interstate (4 flights), in 11 days. We we're completely off, with lead in our legs.

The performance was very much about the above two issues
They flew to Adelaide and Canberra, not bloody Europe!
Its not about the length of the flight, its about what high altitude does. Have you ever flown regularly? You may not consider such impact significant, however to an elite, finely tuned athlete, it makes a big difference.

It was glaringly obvious we were way off and heavy in the legs. Our mental game was a second behind the Bulldogs. A chasm at that level.
Many teams fly every second week, and they've won a number of premierships doing it.

So no, I don't think sitting on a plane for an hour last Saturday is the reason we got done by 10 goals Thursday night.


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Re: Injuries have derailed our season

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The_Dud wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 2:30pm
The G Train Legacy wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 1:07pm
The_Dud wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 12:36pm
The G Train Legacy wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 11:45am
Otiman wrote: Thu 18 Apr 2024 11:45pm Another cop out.

We took it to GWS, we took it to Collingwood and beat them, we came close to Geelong. With the same level of injuries.

Todays' performance wasn't injuries. It was much more than that.

"Emotion doesn't get it done". Maybe so, but it can certainly lose you the game if you don't turn up.
It wasn't only, but very much about injuries. Significant injury list of best 22 players (including a few midfielders) and I don't believe Sinclair is yet 100%

Another significant factor was 3 games, including 2 interstate (4 flights), in 11 days. We we're completely off, with lead in our legs.

The performance was very much about the above two issues
They flew to Adelaide and Canberra, not bloody Europe!
Its not about the length of the flight, its about what high altitude does. Have you ever flown regularly? You may not consider such impact significant, however to an elite, finely tuned athlete, it makes a big difference.

It was glaringly obvious we were way off and heavy in the legs. Our mental game was a second behind the Bulldogs. A chasm at that level.
Many teams fly every second week, and they've won a number of premierships doing it.

So no, I don't think sitting on a plane for an hour last Saturday is the reason we got done by 10 goals Thursday night.
True. Did they have the same injury list on GF day as we have now?


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Re: Injuries have derailed our season

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The_Dud wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 2:30pm
The G Train Legacy wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 1:07pm
The_Dud wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 12:36pm
The G Train Legacy wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 11:45am
Otiman wrote: Thu 18 Apr 2024 11:45pm Another cop out.

We took it to GWS, we took it to Collingwood and beat them, we came close to Geelong. With the same level of injuries.

Todays' performance wasn't injuries. It was much more than that.

"Emotion doesn't get it done". Maybe so, but it can certainly lose you the game if you don't turn up.
It wasn't only, but very much about injuries. Significant injury list of best 22 players (including a few midfielders) and I don't believe Sinclair is yet 100%

Another significant factor was 3 games, including 2 interstate (4 flights), in 11 days. We we're completely off, with lead in our legs.

The performance was very much about the above two issues
They flew to Adelaide and Canberra, not bloody Europe!
Its not about the length of the flight, its about what high altitude does. Have you ever flown regularly? You may not consider such impact significant, however to an elite, finely tuned athlete, it makes a big difference.

It was glaringly obvious we were way off and heavy in the legs. Our mental game was a second behind the Bulldogs. A chasm at that level.
Many teams fly every second week, and they've won a number of premierships doing it.

So no, I don't think sitting on a plane for an hour last Saturday is the reason we got done by 10 goals Thursday night.
Every second week is 2 flights in 13/14 days. We had 4 flights in 7 days with short turnarounds between 2 successive matches. Then we play on the fastest and hardest track in the league.

The flights, combined with the short turn arounds was a huge factor. Every single player was off, to varying degrees, even Cal Wilkie, Marshall and Nasiah! Completely off the boil, mentally not there and physically sluggish.

As bad as the performance was, it was an anomaly. You only need to be 1 or 2% off and anyone can roll you, we were way over 10% off!

Sydney got a touch up from Richmond recently and about this time last year GWS got rolled by West Coast. There is no crisis or any need to panic.


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Re: Injuries have derailed our season

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The G Train Legacy wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 3:59pm
The_Dud wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 2:30pm
The G Train Legacy wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 1:07pm
The_Dud wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 12:36pm
The G Train Legacy wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 11:45am
Otiman wrote: Thu 18 Apr 2024 11:45pm Another cop out.

We took it to GWS, we took it to Collingwood and beat them, we came close to Geelong. With the same level of injuries.

Todays' performance wasn't injuries. It was much more than that.

"Emotion doesn't get it done". Maybe so, but it can certainly lose you the game if you don't turn up.
It wasn't only, but very much about injuries. Significant injury list of best 22 players (including a few midfielders) and I don't believe Sinclair is yet 100%

Another significant factor was 3 games, including 2 interstate (4 flights), in 11 days. We we're completely off, with lead in our legs.

The performance was very much about the above two issues
They flew to Adelaide and Canberra, not bloody Europe!
Its not about the length of the flight, its about what high altitude does. Have you ever flown regularly? You may not consider such impact significant, however to an elite, finely tuned athlete, it makes a big difference.

It was glaringly obvious we were way off and heavy in the legs. Our mental game was a second behind the Bulldogs. A chasm at that level.
Many teams fly every second week, and they've won a number of premierships doing it.

So no, I don't think sitting on a plane for an hour last Saturday is the reason we got done by 10 goals Thursday night.
Every second week is 2 flights in 13/14 days. We had 4 flights in 7 days with short turnarounds between 2 successive matches. Then we play on the fastest and hardest track in the league.

The flights, combined with the short turn arounds was a huge factor. Every single player was off, to varying degrees, even Cal Wilkie, Marshall and Nasiah! Completely off the boil, mentally not there and physically sluggish.

As bad as the performance was, it was an anomaly. You only need to be 1 or 2% off and anyone can roll you, we were way over 10% off!

Sydney got a touch up from Richmond recently and about this time last year GWS got rolled by West Coast. There is no crisis or any need to panic.
Perth has always been a 4+ hour flight from Melbourne, and West Coast have managed to be pretty successful flying in a day or two before a game.

The Dogs last 3-4 weeks have been just as tight as ours regarding breaks.

We've been horrible the last 4 weeks, last night was not a sudden thing.


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Re: Injuries have derailed our season

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The_Dud wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 4:20pm
The G Train Legacy wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 3:59pm
The_Dud wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 2:30pm
The G Train Legacy wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 1:07pm
The_Dud wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 12:36pm
The G Train Legacy wrote: Fri 19 Apr 2024 11:45am
Otiman wrote: Thu 18 Apr 2024 11:45pm Another cop out.

We took it to GWS, we took it to Collingwood and beat them, we came close to Geelong. With the same level of injuries.

Todays' performance wasn't injuries. It was much more than that.

"Emotion doesn't get it done". Maybe so, but it can certainly lose you the game if you don't turn up.
It wasn't only, but very much about injuries. Significant injury list of best 22 players (including a few midfielders) and I don't believe Sinclair is yet 100%

Another significant factor was 3 games, including 2 interstate (4 flights), in 11 days. We we're completely off, with lead in our legs.

The performance was very much about the above two issues
They flew to Adelaide and Canberra, not bloody Europe!
Its not about the length of the flight, its about what high altitude does. Have you ever flown regularly? You may not consider such impact significant, however to an elite, finely tuned athlete, it makes a big difference.

It was glaringly obvious we were way off and heavy in the legs. Our mental game was a second behind the Bulldogs. A chasm at that level.
Many teams fly every second week, and they've won a number of premierships doing it.

So no, I don't think sitting on a plane for an hour last Saturday is the reason we got done by 10 goals Thursday night.
Every second week is 2 flights in 13/14 days. We had 4 flights in 7 days with short turnarounds between 2 successive matches. Then we play on the fastest and hardest track in the league.

The flights, combined with the short turn arounds was a huge factor. Every single player was off, to varying degrees, even Cal Wilkie, Marshall and Nasiah! Completely off the boil, mentally not there and physically sluggish.

As bad as the performance was, it was an anomaly. You only need to be 1 or 2% off and anyone can roll you, we were way over 10% off!

Sydney got a touch up from Richmond recently and about this time last year GWS got rolled by West Coast. There is no crisis or any need to panic.
Perth has always been a 4+ hour flight from Melbourne, and West Coast have managed to be pretty successful flying in a day or two before a game.

The Dogs last 3-4 weeks have been just as tight as ours regarding breaks.

We've been horrible the last 4 weeks, last night was not a sudden thing.
I didn't say it had anything to do with length of the flight, I said it was about being at high altitude. Have you ever actually regularly flown interstate?

The Dogs hadn't had 2 successive interstate trips and had an extra day to recover. Your assertion that we have been "horrible" for 4 weeks, is a gross exaggeration designed to shoe horn your argument.

Why do you think every single one of our players (with the exception of Garcia & Wilson) was completely off the boil? How often has a Ross Lyon coached side conceded over 100 points before 3 quarter time or 7 goals in a quarter? It's a rarity if its ever happened before.


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Re: Injuries have derailed our season

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Coming into Round 5, this was the number of injuries to senior players at each club. Things have changed for a few clubs. Carlton's situation just got a lot worse as did GWS. Ours got a bit worse, too

Geelong 1
GWS 1
Gold Coast 1
Port Adelaide 1
Collingwood 2
Bulldogs 2
Sydney 2
Brisbane 3
Fremantle 3
West Coast 3
Carlton 4
Adelaide 4
Essendon 5
Melbourne 5
North Melbourne 5
Hawthorn 6
Richmond 7
St Kilda 7


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Re: Injuries have derailed our season

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Combine a host of injuries with very short turnarounds and it makes it harder. I can't believe anyone could think otherwise


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Re: Injuries have derailed our season

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Carlton, Brisbane, Gold Coast, and GWS all had byes during that period, too. Swans and Collingwood had byes last week and will come in fresh this week.

Not all games are equal. Not all situations are equal.


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Re: Injuries have derailed our season

Post: # 2053686Post cwrcyn »

Interestingly, all the teams who had a bye in the first 6 weeks have played either West Coast, North Melbourne, or Hawthorn in that period, too. GWS got lucky with getting two of those teams

Geelong have played two of those teams in 5 rounds.

It just shows that a combination of the draw and injuries does make a difference.


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