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Re: Kicking at goal

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2020 - we kicked the most goals in the comp from 0-15m

With loads of walk in or Joe the gooses

We started the forwards high and Butler and Co just sprinted back to goal on turnover
Opposing sides eventually caught on to that

But it accounted for a large % of goals and why we were so accurate - you don’t miss too many from the goal square.



I don’t mind missing the tough ones - which you arse every now and then

It’s the set shots from 30-40 that should be nailed- we kicked 3-7 from those v Ess


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Re: Kicking at goal

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People complain about things out of our control, umpiring, MRP, injuries etc and use these as excuses for losses.

The 2 games we lost we kicked 9.14 and 9.15, the game we won we kicked 14.10

Now I’m no million dollar coach, but it’s pretty obvious to me where a lot more time and effort needs to be invested!


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B.M wrote: Mon 01 Apr 2024 12:25pm 2020 - we kicked the most goals in the comp from 0-15m

With loads of walk in or Joe the gooses

We started the forwards high and Butler and Co just sprinted back to goal on turnover
Opposing sides eventually caught on to that

But it accounted for a large % of goals and why we were so accurate - you don’t miss too many from the goal square.

I blame Ross Lyon
Why can’t he run out there and kick it for them?? FFS

I don’t mind missing the tough ones - which you arse every now and then

It’s the set shots from 30-40 that should be nailed- we kicked 3-7 from those v Ess
I blame Ross Lyon
Why can’t he kick it for them ffs?


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That makes no sense?


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B.M wrote: Mon 01 Apr 2024 6:17pm That makes no sense?
You wrote it


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The Fireman wrote: Mon 01 Apr 2024 7:29pm
B.M wrote: Mon 01 Apr 2024 6:17pm That makes no sense?
You wrote it
No he didn't

Teflon doctored his post

Whether deliberately or unintentionally....he has modified B.M's original post


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Scollop wrote: Mon 01 Apr 2024 7:46pm
The Fireman wrote: Mon 01 Apr 2024 7:29pm
B.M wrote: Mon 01 Apr 2024 6:17pm That makes no sense?
You wrote it
No he didn't

Teflon doctored his post

Whether deliberately or unintentionally....he has modified B.M's original post
No I didn’t
I havent quoted him how could I “doctor “ his post?
Are you totally nuff nuff?
Mods….i had this joker on ignore….have we lost that with the new site?? I was loving life…his little mate will be along soon if so…sadly..
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The Fireman wrote: Mon 01 Apr 2024 7:29pm
B.M wrote: Mon 01 Apr 2024 6:17pm That makes no sense?
You wrote it
Does have a very familiar tone to it …I concur Firey…I’ve read this type drivel somewhere before….


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Teflon wrote: Mon 01 Apr 2024 8:05pm
Scollop wrote: Mon 01 Apr 2024 7:46pm
The Fireman wrote: Mon 01 Apr 2024 7:29pm
B.M wrote: Mon 01 Apr 2024 6:17pm That makes no sense?
You wrote it
No he didn't

Teflon doctored his post

Whether deliberately or unintentionally....he has modified B.M's original post
No I didn’t
I havent quoted him how could I “doctor “ his post?
Are you totally nuff nuff?
Mods….i had this joker on ignore….have we lost that with the new site?? I was loving life…his little mate will be along soon if so…sadly..
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Teflon wrote: Mon 01 Apr 2024 8:05pmhave we lost that with the new site?? I was loving life…his little mate will be along soon if so…sadly..
Just tested it out… seems to be working fine for me.

Click on your name up top
User Control panel
The final preference on the right - it’s lines on my phone - just after board preferences
Should be an option for friends and foes.
Maybe it was reset?


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Re: Kicking at goal

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Don’t be soft Teflon

We have to put up with your crap!


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Didn’t they bring in David Wheadon as goalkicking coach last year or is that done?


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I think David passed recently.


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Re: Kicking at goal

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Nick DalSanto Claus wrote: Sat 30 Mar 2024 8:21pm The rot set in after we hired that corkhead, Ben Dixon. We went from bad to worse under his "tutelage".

Don't forget his best "technique" was to get the players to imagine the best sex they'd ever had, as they were lining up, and visualize their partner in that union standing behind the goals. That then became the target.

Genius! For some unknown reason, our goal-kicking became worse, and Dixhead was given the sack. No other team has adopted this technique, nor has anyone else hired him in that capacity. I wonder why?

Neither side has forgiven the other. Dixhead bags us whenever he can.
Please tell me this is made up re his technique


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saint6709 wrote: Tue 02 Apr 2024 6:32pm
Nick DalSanto Claus wrote: Sat 30 Mar 2024 8:21pm The rot set in after we hired that corkhead, Ben Dixon. We went from bad to worse under his "tutelage".

Don't forget his best "technique" was to get the players to imagine the best sex they'd ever had, as they were lining up, and visualize their partner in that union standing behind the goals. That then became the target.

Genius! For some unknown reason, our goal-kicking became worse, and Dixhead was given the sack. No other team has adopted this technique, nor has anyone else hired him in that capacity. I wonder why?

Neither side has forgiven the other. Dixhead bags us whenever he can.
Please tell me this is made up regarding his technique
I wish I was making it up, saint6709. It has to go down as one of the most embarrassing appointments the club ever made.

Unfortunately, his brilliant "technique", was described in the media of the day. I could scarcely believe it myself when I read about it.

It says something about our desperation in this area. To think, we hired that fool Dixon in the belief that he was a sound kick for goal himself, and reinforced by his set shot goal after the final siren, to beat Carlton.

We fell for the oldest trick in the book. That one who could execute a particular skill must be able to effectively teach that skill to others. Dixon proved that truism wrong.

Furthermore, his performances in the media since he was sacked by the Saints, have only proved what a buffoon he is, who continues to take potshots at us whenever he gets the chance. Good riddance.


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That’s not a truism

Having a skill has zero to do with coaching it. Coaching is two things
Understanding and communication

If you don’t understand the skill/technique/strategy you can’t coach it
If you can’t communicate your understanding, you can’t coach it


Being a great coach has zero to do with being a great player. That doesn’t mean great players can’t be great coaches, it means it not a pre requisite


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B.M wrote: Wed 03 Apr 2024 12:32am That’s not a truism

Having a skill has zero to do with coaching it. Coaching is two things
Understanding and communication

If you don’t understand the skill/technique/strategy you can’t coach it
If you can’t communicate your understanding, you can’t coach it


Being a great coach has zero to do with being a great player. That doesn’t mean great players can’t be great coaches, it means it not a pre requisite
So we're in furious agreement. Just because you can execute a skill, doesn't mean you can teach it well. Read my post again. I said as much.

A truism as I used it is a sentence which asserts incomplete truth conditions for a proposition.

Communication and understanding. I think there's a lesson in that for you, BM.


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B.M wrote: Wed 03 Apr 2024 12:32am That’s not a truism

Having a skill has zero to do with coaching it. Coaching is two things
Understanding and communication

If you don’t understand the skill/technique/strategy you can’t coach it
If you can’t communicate your understanding, you can’t coach it


Being a great coach has zero to do with being a great player. That doesn’t mean great players can’t be great coaches, it means it not a pre requisite
So we're in furious agreement. Just because you can execute a skill, doesn't mean you can teach it well. Read my post again. I said as much.

A truism as I used it is a sentence which asserts incomplete truth conditions for a proposition.

Communication and understanding. I think there's a lesson in that for you, BM.


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Re: Kicking at goal

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Why not Stewart Loewe as goal kicking coach?


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Why Stewart Loewe?


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B.M wrote: Wed 03 Apr 2024 9:12am Why Stewart Loewe?
Loewe turned a horrendous accuracy into a reliable kick - not sure that he could teach it - maybe the person who turned Loewe's kicking around.


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Most times when having a shot on goal, the player is knackered after running hard to set up position and/or to outrun an opponent to mark. Should training taking set shots at goal be done after they've done sprints and or endurance training to replicate the feeling they have in games rather than "popping" shots at the start or end of training?


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Sainter_Dad wrote: Wed 03 Apr 2024 11:33am
B.M wrote: Wed 03 Apr 2024 9:12am Why Stewart Loewe?
Loewe turned a horrendous accuracy into a reliable kick - not sure that he could teach it - maybe the person who turned Loewe's kicking around.
IIRC Peter Hudson


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Mr Magic wrote: Wed 03 Apr 2024 1:24pm
Sainter_Dad wrote: Wed 03 Apr 2024 11:33am
B.M wrote: Wed 03 Apr 2024 9:12am Why Stewart Loewe?
Loewe turned a horrendous accuracy into a reliable kick - not sure that he could teach it - maybe the person who turned Loewe's kicking around.
IIRC Peter Hudson
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Re: Kicking at goal

Post: # 2049896Post Saint 58 »

Kicking at goal (set shot), should be treated the same as any field kick.
Pick a target (in the crowd); and kick it to them.
You can miskick it 2+ metres either side of goal-centre & still kick a goal.
No need to take your mouth guard out, comb your hair, scratch your nuts, pull up your sock.

They're tired ? bulls***.
Does anyone else stop, take a breath, etc. before they hit their target 40m to 50m up the ground ?

They take too long & think about it too much.
Just kick it straight like (most), field kicks, then you can take your short rest when the umps do their job.


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