Kicking at goal

[perfectionist]

Each player who missed tonight is fully aware of their shortfalls
They will be hurting more than us

It can only improve

Maybe. The players and the coaches seem to be unaware of a simple fact. Players are missing because they kick the ball in the wrong direction. With the TV camera shot behind players kicking for goal, I can tell where the ball is going by looking at their leg swing and follow through before the ball leaves the player's boot. If the foot ends up pointing to the point posts, that's the direction the ball will take. Conversely, if it ends up pointing at the centre of the goal posts the ball will go in that direction. The influence of any wind has been negated at most grounds. Even if contact is not clean, the ball will still go in the direction of the leg swing - it's Physics 101.

Sending players out to have shots at goal - unsupervised - is simply reinforcing their errors. And yet, that appears to be the extent of "goal kicking practice" at Moorabbin.

Here is a tip. Paint a white circle on the toe of the boot. The player needs to practice a leg swing - without the ball - so that the white circle is aimed between at the middle of the goals at the strike height and then follow through. They can work out their strike height by watching videos of their kicks. It's usually about level with the player's belly-button but does differ according to height. Whilst a straight leg is preferred to remove one degree of potential error, it is not essential - some players are simply unable to do it due their physical build e.g. Max. This examination may lead to a change to run-up or something else. Players should also run in a straight line. Swerving out the right to "get more distance" is another bad technique that players learned earlier in their careers. With the current rule that the player on the mark can't move until the player kicks, this can be exploited as some clubs have done. You simply run in a straight line one metre parallel to the line over the player on the mark. Our club seems to have missed the opportunity.

[Yorkeys]

Forget top 4 of course, need to blood the future.

Already obvious who they will be
Collingwood, Brisbane, Melbourne and Port Adelaide
St Kilda is playing for the minor finals.

Shame isn't it. A 3 win start was so achievable.

[Sanctorum]

I don't buy the assertion that St Kilda's kicking for goal is historically among the worst in the comp, nor is the senior coach in any way to blame for inaccurate kicking for goal either yesterday or any day for that matter - as a theory that is laughable!

Every supporter of every team will from time to time feel the same way about their players as we do about these sorts of issues!

It can be summed up in these songs: "Some days are diamonds, some days are stone" and "When you're hot you're hot, when you're not you're not", which applies to all facets of footy as well as so many other things in life.

[Scollop]

Each player who missed tonight is fully aware of their shortfalls
They will be hurting more than us

It can only improve

Maybe. The players and the coaches seem to be unaware of a simple fact. Players are missing because they kick the ball in the wrong direction. With the TV camera shot behind players kicking for goal, I can tell where the ball is going by looking at their leg swing and follow through before the ball leaves the player's boot. If the foot ends up pointing to the point posts, that's the direction the ball will take. Conversely, if it ends up pointing at the centre of the goal posts the ball will go in that direction. The influence of any wind has been negated at most grounds. Even if contact is not clean, the ball will still go in the direction of the leg swing - it's Physics 101.

Sending players out to have shots at goal - unsupervised - is simply reinforcing their errors. And yet, that appears to be the extent of "goal kicking practice" at Moorabbin.

Here is a tip. Paint a white circle on the toe of the boot. The player needs to practice a leg swing - without the ball - so that the white circle is aimed between at the middle of the goals at the strike height and then follow through. They can work out their strike height by watching videos of their kicks. It's usually about level with the player's belly-button but does differ according to height. Whilst a straight leg is preferred to remove one degree of potential error, it is not essential - some players are simply unable to do it due their physical build e.g. Max. This examination may lead to a change to run-up or something else. Players should also run in a straight line. Swerving out the right to "get more distance" is another bad technique that players learned earlier in their careers. With the current rule that the player on the mark can't move until the player kicks, this can be exploited as some clubs have done. You simply run in a straight line one metre parallel to the line over the player on the mark. Our club seems to have missed the opportunity.

A couple of great ideas there for set shot goal kicking.

Hope you don't mind me repeating

1. Point your toe in the direction you want the ball to travel. This is something I taught my son in junior footy when he was 10. It's a simple idea and doesn't mess with your natural kicking style. All players should make it part of their follow through.

2. Walk in the direction you want the ball to travel. You're approach is as important as your kick. If you think you're going to struggle for distance, approach in a line 1m parallel to the line that would normally see you kicking over the outstretched hands of the man on the mark.

Email the footy department

[seano1]

I’m sick of the clips from training where they’re having shots from the pocket ….I’d rather see them having shots from in front

[seano1]

I’m sick of the clips from training where they’re having shots from the pocket ….I’d rather see them having shots from in front

[Teflon]

You believe everything you hear in a presser

Explain HTF 27 at HT has had no effect on the game? Seriously, get off the kool aide ignoramous

He also defended his position with Daicos and Sicily last year - did you fall for that too???

He was s*** tonight in the box

Outcoached

We kicked 8.12 ignoramus instead of 12.8 which ices the game
Suspect had we kicked straight youd be whingeing about something else
Stick to boring kids in PE cause you’re footy knowledge is 1980’s /embarrassing
Oh …what moves did Scott pull that just wowed you?
Hang on….coaches are overrated aren’t they???

[B.M]

Who won again?

[B.M]

I love how it’s the coach who wins games and the players who lose games… you are just an apologist.

[D.B.Cooper]

I love how it’s the coach who wins games and the players who lose games… you are just an apologist.

To whom do you refer this post?

If you refuse to quote, at least type a name

[B.M]

You can’t work it out?

The knob who has the post before mine who has to resort to personal comments because he has NFI about the game!

[Teflon]

I love how it’s the coach who wins games and the players who lose games… you are just an apologist.

To whom do you refer this post?

If you refuse to quote, at least type a name

Doesn’t matter
Coaches are overrated…till you lose….then it’s all “out coached from the box”
Kinda like the rest of the drivel that the flog peddles after the fact …
He’s up for telling you last weeks tatts winning numbers if you hang about
Laughable shyte

[D.B.Cooper]

You can’t work it out?

The knob who has the post before mine who has to resort to personal comments because he has NFI about the game!

What about this post?

[Teflon]

You can’t work it out?

The knob who has the post before mine who has to resort to personal comments because he has NFI about the game!

What about this post?

Leave him be
He talks to himself then argues …
Usually still loses tho

[Sainter_Dad]

You can’t work it out?

The knob who has the post before mine who has to resort to personal comments because he has NFI about the game!

LOL - at B.M. that was you asking who won again - lol

You believe everything you hear in a presser

Explain HTF 27 at HT has had no effect on the game? Seriously, get off the kool aide ignoramous

He also defended his position with Daicos and Sicily last year - did you fall for that too???

He was s*** tonight in the box

Outcoached

We kicked 8.12 ignoramus instead of 12.8 which ices the game
Suspect had we kicked straight youd be whingeing about something else
Stick to boring kids in PE cause you’re footy knowledge is 1980’s /embarrassing
Oh …what moves did Scott pull that just wowed you?
Hang on….coaches are overrated aren’t they???

Who won again?

I love how it’s the coach who wins games and the players who lose games… you are just an apologist.

It would be easier to quote Teflon - or use his name

[shrodes]

I don't buy the assertion that St Kilda's kicking for goal is historically among the worst in the comp

Acc: Accuracy = (Goals / shots at goal)

2024 - 15th - 41.6% acc (league avg 49.3%)
2023 - 10th - 47.8% acc (league avg 48.0%)
2022 - 10th - 48.1% acc (league avg 48.8%)
2021 - 10th - 46.9% acc (league avg 47.4%)
2020 - 2nd - 49.9% acc (league avg 46.8%)
2019 - 18th - 42.6% acc (league avg 46.5%)
2018 - 17th - 43.3% acc (league avg 47.3%)
2017 - 17th - 45.5% acc (league avg 49.0%)
2016 - 7th - 51.6% acc (league avg 50.3%)
2015 - 16th - 47.1% acc (league avg 50.2%)
2014 - 16th - 46.8% acc (league avg 49.5%)
2013 - 16th - 47.2% acc (league avg 49.9%)
2012 - 4th - 52.5% acc (league avg 49.3%)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats ... ?year=2024

So out of 12 full seasons we've finished better than average in just 1/4.

And unsurprisingly in 2020 at our most accurate we go weeks into finals.

Collingwood 2023 - 1st accuracy
Geelong 2022 - 5th
Melbourne 2021 - 14th
Richmond 2020 - 7th
Richmond 2019 - 3rd
West Coast 2018 - 4th
Richmond 2017 - 15th
Bulldogs 2016 - 16th
Hawthorn 2015 - 1st
Hawthorn 2014 - 1st
Hawthorn 2013 - 1st
Sydney 2012 - 2nd

Probably the world's most obvious correlation... bad kicking = bad football. Good kicking = a pretty good headstart towards a premiership.

[B.M]

Teflon has no idea

Hasn’t had an original thought on the game ever

We lose because of Brett Ratten

We win because of Ross Lyon

That’s about the depth of his footy knowledge

Because he obviously has never had any association with the game, other than a fan forum.

Oh, that’s right, this week it was the accuacy. Never mind that they kicked 2.6 in the last q
Or was it Max - weren’t they missing a key fwd


No comments on
Have a spare behind the ball who got 44
9-1 centre clearance differential
Not their aggressive press we couldn’t get through
Not a breakdown in forward structure in the last 5 mins


No idea - but in Ross we trust - that’s your go to

[Nick DalSanto Claus]

I don't buy the assertion that St Kilda's kicking for goal is historically among the worst in the comp

ACC: Accuracy = (Goals/shots at goal)

2024 - 15th - 41.6% acc (league avg 49.3%)
2023 - 10th - 47.8% acc (league avg 48.0%)
2022 - 10th - 48.1% acc (league avg 48.8%)
2021 - 10th - 46.9% acc (league avg 47.4%)
2020 - 2nd - 49.9% acc (league avg 46.8%)
2019 - 18th - 42.6% acc (league avg 46.5%)
2018 - 17th - 43.3% acc (league avg 47.3%)
2017 - 17th - 45.5% acc (league avg 49.0%)
2016 - 7th - 51.6% acc (league avg 50.3%)
2015 - 16th - 47.1% acc (league avg 50.2%)
2014 - 16th - 46.8% acc (league avg 49.5%)
2013 - 16th - 47.2% acc (league avg 49.9%)
2012 - 4th - 52.5% acc (league avg 49.3%)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats ... ?year=2024

So out of 12 full seasons we've finished better than average in just 1/4.

And unsurprisingly in 2020 at our most accurate we go weeks into finals.

Collingwood 2023 - 1st Accuracy
Geelong 2022 - 5th
Melbourne 2021 - 14th
Richmond 2020 - 7th
Richmond 2019 - 3rd
West Coast 2018 - 4th
Richmond 2017 - 15th
Bulldogs 2016 - 16th
Hawthorn 2015 - 1st
Hawthorn 2014 - 1st
Hawthorn 2013 - 1st
Sydney 2012 - 2nd

Probably the world's most obvious correlation... bad kicking = bad football. Good kicking = a pretty good headstart towards a premiership.

That's a telling set of statistics, Shrodes. It confirms what long-suffering saints have come to know only too well. We're not good enough at converting our chances, and it has cost us dearly in the past decade.

So far, the suggestions on how to improve our goal-kicking seem to be logical and sound.

It staggers me that these techniques are not drilled into players at the junior level and are not reinforced at the elite level.

Remember when Peter Hudson took Stewart Loewe from being one of the worst kicks for goal in the AFL to one of the most reliable? It was the teaching of sound technique followed by accurate repetition. Perfect practice makes perfect!

I wonder what Huddo's up to these days?

[Teflon]

Teflon has no idea

Hasn’t had an original thought on the game ever

We lose because of Brett Ratten

We win because of Ross Lyon

That’s about the depth of his footy knowledge

Because he obviously has never had any association with the game, other than a fan forum.

Oh, that’s right, this week it was the accuacy. Never mind that they kicked 2.6 in the last q
Or was it Max - weren’t they missing a key fwd


No comments on
Have a spare behind the ball who got 44
9-1 centre clearance differential
Not their aggressive press we couldn’t get through
Not a breakdown in forward structure in the last 5 mins


No idea - but in Ross we trust - that’s your go to

Just re-watched Deniro in Taxi
You talking to me??

[Otiman]

The coach might not be responsible for the efforts this week, but is certainly responsible in turning it around.

It's what happens now that matters.

"Safe to fail"' well, we failed. Lets fix it.

[SAINT-LEE]

Has a Ross Lyon coached team ever been reliable in front of goal

He lost GFs in 2009 and 2013 because his forwards couldn’t kick under pressure

Higgins, Owens are forwards who are woeful kicks

Wouldn’t back them in a set shot from 30m

Isn't Higgins 7 Goals 3 behinds in 2024?
Of course he has had the yips at times. But I feel like being considered elite for afl standards in goal kicking is ok, right?

[Teflon]

Has a Ross Lyon coached team ever been reliable in front of goal

He lost GFs in 2009 and 2013 because his forwards couldn’t kick under pressure

Higgins, Owens are forwards who are woeful kicks

Wouldn’t back them in a set shot from 30m

Isn't Higgins 7 Goals 3 behinds in 2024?
Of course he has had the yips at times. But I feel like being considered elite for afl standards in goal kicking is ok, right?

Facts are irrelevant when bashing the coach for player failures

[B.M]

Higgins kicked 3 walk in goals and missed a shot from 30m out directly in front

You really have no idea

And yes, I was talking to you - I referenced your name and highlighted the obvious

You have no idea

[Vortex]

The coach might not be responsible for the efforts this week, but is certainly responsible in turning it around.

It's what happens now that matters.

"Safe to fail"' well, we failed. Lets fix it.

A few players fighting to hang onto their spot, Sharman hasn’t had a good start to the year and really needs to improve, presently he’s only putting a half decent game in every 20 games or so.

Bonner probably won’t be able to have too many games with such a high clanger rate.

Zac Jones only 61% ToG and probably on the outer.

Owens still hasn’t convinced me he’s the megastar some fans think he already is. Pou probably in the same boat but both very young so let’s wait for another 30 to 50 games.

[aaron82]

I don't buy the assertion that St Kilda's kicking for goal is historically among the worst in the comp

Acc: Accuracy = (Goals / shots at goal)

2024 - 15th - 41.6% acc (league avg 49.3%)
2023 - 10th - 47.8% acc (league avg 48.0%)
2022 - 10th - 48.1% acc (league avg 48.8%)
2021 - 10th - 46.9% acc (league avg 47.4%)
2020 - 2nd - 49.9% acc (league avg 46.8%)
2019 - 18th - 42.6% acc (league avg 46.5%)
2018 - 17th - 43.3% acc (league avg 47.3%)
2017 - 17th - 45.5% acc (league avg 49.0%)
2016 - 7th - 51.6% acc (league avg 50.3%)
2015 - 16th - 47.1% acc (league avg 50.2%)
2014 - 16th - 46.8% acc (league avg 49.5%)
2013 - 16th - 47.2% acc (league avg 49.9%)
2012 - 4th - 52.5% acc (league avg 49.3%)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats ... ?year=2024

So out of 12 full seasons we've finished better than average in just 1/4.

And unsurprisingly in 2020 at our most accurate we go weeks into finals.

Collingwood 2023 - 1st accuracy
Geelong 2022 - 5th
Melbourne 2021 - 14th
Richmond 2020 - 7th
Richmond 2019 - 3rd
West Coast 2018 - 4th
Richmond 2017 - 15th
Bulldogs 2016 - 16th
Hawthorn 2015 - 1st
Hawthorn 2014 - 1st
Hawthorn 2013 - 1st
Sydney 2012 - 2nd

Probably the world's most obvious correlation... bad kicking = bad football. Good kicking = a pretty good headstart towards a premiership.

In my view the kicking for goal is largely a mental thing. 2020 was the anomaly in the figures due to Covid & no crowds at most games. We kicked fairly straight that year for the most part as players weren’t focused on 40,000 crowds watching them kick it. You can’t practice that at training.

It’s similar to blokes on the first tee in front of groups of neutrals watching hit off. Smoke them all day in the range but seen so many shanks, duffs & balls topped as instead of focussing on hitting the ball they fear stuffing the shot up & invariably that often happens