Owens

[B.M]

Is being misused

And it’s fkn obvious

[Devilhead]

Agree

[bigcarl]

Needs to play on ball. Not a good enough kick to be a forward

And there's this:

Essendon went on to win the clearance count 23-10, including 9-1 centre clearances, in the second half.

[Otiman]

I dunno about misused, but he is lacking impact. For a contested ball beast up forward you want a few more score involvements.

[Otiman]

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[The_Dud]

Not a ruckman, not a forward, put him anywhere else.

[Life Long Saint]

MITCH
OWENS
IS
NOT
A
RUCKMAN

[TheGreatZacsby]

Not a ruckman, not a forward, put him anywhere else.

_{PUT HIM IN THE MIDDLE!!!}

[B.M]

At least when he’s in the ruck he’s around the footy

It’s when they put a 190cm midfielder as the deepest KPF my mind boggles

wtf does Ross think he’s a key forward? Because he competes??

I’d rather he competes around the footy?!

He’s a shocking kick - as are most inside mids
He’s a contested bull

Play him in the centre square - rest him forward

To me it’s a fkn no brainer

[bigcarl]

9-1 centre clearances against in the second half. Needs something

[SaintPav]

Concerning.

[D.B.Cooper]

I wouldn’t mind trying him playing the Mason Wood role on a wing.

We could use his clearance work around the stoppages and marking power coming out of defence.

[B.M]

Hasn’t got the skills of Wood or the running power

Surely he is a pure stoppage mid?

It’s like Carlton playing Paddy Cripps as a permanent forward

Sure he’d kick a goal or two or take a mark or two

But 8-10 clearances and 25-30 just might be a little more important

[TheGreatZacsby]

At least when he’s in the ruck he’s around the footy

It’s when they put a 190cm midfielder as the deepest KPF my mind boggles

wtf does Ross think he’s a key forward? Because he competes??

I’d rather he competes around the footy?!

He’s a shocking kick - as are most inside mids
He’s a contested bull

Play him in the centre square - rest him forward

To me it’s a fkn no brainer

Should be on a constant rotation with Phillipou in the FWD line and midfield

[B.M]

Look at who’s won Browlows - the ‘money men’

Cripps
Neale
Wines
Martin
Dangerfield

Bull mids - of which he should be one!!!

[bigcarl]

Look at who’s won Browlows - the ‘money men’

Cripps
Neale
Wines
Martin
Dangerfield

Bull mids - of which he should be one!!!

Yes, I wonder why the reluctance. Here’s a few possibilities:

He doesn’t have the tank.
He’s too valuable forward.
We need him to be second ruck.

I could cop the first one if it were true, but not so either of the other two. Find another second ruck

[Scollop]

I think bigcarl hit the nail on the head

Lyon sees Owens as our second ruck. I've heard Ross in several pre game interviews and he did it today as well. He declared that Owens will play second ruck.

I'd love to see Windy and Owens playing as first choice midfielders alongside their captain. Sebby is playing so well he can slot in on a wing or doing the job of a tagger.

Here's how I see it. There must be preferred spots for certain players. They take priority.

When certain players come back from injury, they also slot back into their preferred roles...and they take priority.

At the moment it's Seb, Steele, and 1 other who are the preferred mids...Owens is not a first choice midfielder in Ross's current team. Brad Crouch is.

Pou, Windy, Jones, and others who might line up at some centre bounces are just filling a role ....until Crouch returns.

It sort of runs counter to playing the kids and planning for the longer term, but it also fits in with the Rossy Lyon we remember. He has his favourites.

[ace]

MITCH
OWENS
IS
NOT
A
RUCKMAN

Neither is Hickey !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
or so StoneCold me.

[ace]

9-1 centre clearances against in the second half. Needs something

Someone not something
LIam Henry, Brad Crouch, Mason Wood, Paddy Dow, Hunter Clark
Add just one and St Kilda defeats Essendon.
Just add all 5 and Max King, Dougal Howard (better than Zaine Cordy) & Jack Hayes (ahead of Cooper Sharman also frees Mitchito Owens from 2nd ruck)
The margin goes to 100points.

[nostalgicsaint]

It is interesting how people pot Ross through the lense of things like this being an example of him being too rigid/stubborn.

I see the non moving of Owens onto the ball as the best thing for his development.

I think Owens offers the most potential to the Saints long term as a medium/small forward who can pinch hit up the ground by going into the ruck.

He may be more damaging right now spending time on the ball but if you look at our best midfield/balance/22 he shouldn't get a look in on the ball with the following ahead of him.


Steele
Ross
Henry
Crouch
Clark
Dow
Windhager

Pou is around his mark as an onballer.

Then we have several others developing.

A win at all costs mentality would have Ross move Owens onto the ball during that game. As it would also have them sit on Martin but Ross instead as he said in the post game wanted to focus on getting what we're doing right first before we worry about them.

To be fair to him, we should have won by 4 goals regardless so the approach stacks up, execution let us down.

[spert]

9-1 centre clearances against in the second half. Needs something

Someone not something
LIam Henry, Brad Crouch, Mason Wood, Paddy Dow, Hunter Clark
Add just one and St Kilda defeats Essendon.
Just add all 5 and Max King, Dougal Howard (better than Zaine Cordy) & Jack Hayes (ahead of Cooper Sharman also frees Mitchito Owens from 2nd ruck)
The margin goes to 100points.

We had Wood, King, Crouch and Henry against Geelong, and we still lost as our midfield were woeful

[B.M]

Playing in the ruck for 5 mins a quarter is not the issue (albeit stupid)

It’s playing deep inside 50 for the other 25 mins

[maverick]

So who is 2nd ruck if Owens isn’t?
We don’t have one
Marshall needs more of a chop out - he was too tired at the end and it really cost us

[Yorkeys]

Is being misused

And it’s fkn obvious

Thought a few times the coaches and runner are confusing Michito and Pou.

[Saint 58]

Needs to play on ball. Not a good enough kick to be a forward

And there's this:

Essendon went on to win the clearance count 23-10, including 9-1 centre clearances, in the second half.

and we lost by 4 points !!