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Many will look back on the Toce era with rose coloured glasses- the 2 x academy boys , the south Australian boys in Wilkie, Sharman , Nas and Pou, and possibly Keeler , plus throw in possibly Wilson & Collard from this years draft. Even more so if one of the other players I have not mentioned from the past 2 drafts kicks on.
It’s hard to know how much was luck vs skill, with the academy boys definitely being more luck than skill. Any way you slice it, his record is only going to grow in stature if the next 2 drafts don’t deliver a couple of genuine superstars.
I have no idea if long term we will be better off, but it’s no doubt going to be one of the most important decisions we will look back on and debate fiercely in 5 years from now.
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Zed wrote: ↑Thu 04 Jan 2024 4:04am
Many will look back on the Toce era with rose coloured glasses- the 2 x academy boys , the south Australian boys in Wilkie, Sharman , Nas and Pou, and possibly Keeler , plus throw in possibly Wilson & Collard from this years draft. Even more so if one of the other players I have not mentioned from the past 2 drafts kicks on.
It’s hard to know how much was luck vs skill, with the academy boys definitely being more luck than skill. Any way you slice it, his record is only going to grow in stature if the next 2 drafts don’t deliver a couple of genuine superstars.
I have no idea if long term we will be better off, but it’s no doubt going to be one of the most important decisions we will look back on and debate fiercely in 5 years from now.
I tend to agree.
But I also look at the track record of Darlymple. He’s set up the doggies midfield and forward line it’s pretty stellar. He even has set up Swannies Midfield with Warner and Gulden being good picks. But I want to see how we go with this next draft before I say one is better than the other.
TheGreatZacsby wrote: ↑Thu 04 Jan 2024 8:31pm
But I want to see how we go with this next draft before I say one is better than the other.
Sage advice for all supporters I'd suggest as we can't all be Willy Wonkas.
Although I'd suggest we'd need to see some success in the final 2 game of a finals series before we can make a final judgement on not only the success of recruits but the club as a whole as that is what it takes to be a successful club.
Like Lyon, Dalrymple is now at a club that can stuff up the unstuffupable, (that's an actual word).
We will need the fullness of time before final judgement can be made and if the history of statistics applies then it could be several seasons before Lyon and Dalrymple have built a team capable of contending as we are currently only in the early stages of the rebuild.
Pound for pound I suggest two of the best recruiting decisions in relatively recent times have been J. Steele and A. Wilkie's. Hayes may have also been a triumph, ahh the curse of injury. The Owens, Nasiah, Windhager year was tremendous and this years crop shows promise. What ever the conventional wisdom Simon has a fairly high standard to maintain. And what if anything does the new Dalrymple appointment mean for SOS. Hopefully it is a partnership made in heaven, even, say, Saintly.
Yorkeys wrote: ↑Sun 07 Jan 2024 9:43am
Pound for pound I suggest two of the best recruiting decisions in relatively recent times have been J. Steele and A. Wilkie's. Hayes may have also been a triumph, ahh the curse of injury. The Owens, Nasiah, Windhager year was tremendous and this years crop shows promise. What ever the conventional wisdom Simon has a fairly high standard to maintain. And what if anything does the new Dalrymple appointment mean for SOS. Hopefully it is a partnership made in heaven, even, say, Saintly.
Sinclair was a good choice outside the draft too. Billings can have that credit. Lol
B.M wrote: ↑Tue 02 Jan 2024 8:14pm
I don’t have many heroes
But Nick Reiwoldt is one
Alongside Ponting, Harvey, Hayes
For me, Ditterich, Muir and Cuz.
When I was a teen my dads workshop was close to Jayco and the Linfox warehouses. I worked there every holidays.
The lunch shop was 5 properties away and Winmar and several other new tecruits got temporary jobs at those other 2 companies and always seemed to be getting lunch and smoko when I was sent to get ours.
Nicky was at Jayco temporarily and I got to see him regularly. He was a lovely bloke, always had a smile and took interest in me and was very genuine in his character.
When he went on the field he was ruthlessly composed with the ball. When he got fired up, he got better and achieved immortality at Victoria Park for all.the right reasons.
Simon Dalrymple will be one if he delivers a list that delivers a second premiership
My guess though
He’ll be one of those great appointments when he joins StK and be a villain when he is sacked. And it’ll be the same people saying it!!!
My initial thoughts
1/ what is his exact role?
2/ He has a pretty good track record
3/ We have hired many a reputable person and ruined their careers, hopefully he isn’t another!
B.M wrote: ↑Tue 02 Jan 2024 8:14pm
I don’t have many heroes
But Nick Reiwoldt is one
Alongside Ponting, Harvey, Hayes
For me, Ditterich, Muir and Cuz.
When I was a teen my dads workshop was close to Jayco and the Linfox warehouses. I worked there every holidays.
The lunch shop was 5 properties away and Winmar and several other new tecruits got temporary jobs at those other 2 companies and always seemed to be getting lunch and smoko when I was sent to get ours.
Nicky was at Jayco temporarily and I got to see him regularly. He was a lovely bloke, always had a smile and took interest in me and was very genuine in his character.
When he went on the field he was ruthlessly composed with the ball. When he got fired up, he got better and achieved immortality at Victoria Park for all.the right reasons.
B.M wrote: ↑Tue 02 Jan 2024 8:14pm
I don’t have many heroes
But Nick Reiwoldt is one
Alongside Ponting, Harvey, Hayes
For me, Ditterich, Muir and Cuz.
Muir is a great choice. Well before my time but from everything I’ve seen and read… very under appreciated for his time with the addition of probably would have been an all time once in generation superstar if the club supported him as they should have. Seems like we really failed him in many respects.
Was really nice to read about how we reached out to him a few years back.
B.M wrote: ↑Tue 02 Jan 2024 8:14pm
I don’t have many heroes
But Nick Reiwoldt is one
Alongside Ponting, Harvey, Hayes
For me, Ditterich, Muir and Cuz.
Muir is a great choice. Well before my time but from everything I’ve seen and read… very under appreciated for his time with the addition of probably would have been an all time once in generation superstar if the club supported him as they should have. Seems like we really failed him in many respects.
Was really nice to read about how we reached out to him a few years back.
He was a great player but had a very short fuse unfortunately. It was very unfair the racial abuse all of the aborigines copped back in the day. Thankfully we have come a long way since then.
B.M wrote: ↑Tue 02 Jan 2024 8:14pm
I don’t have many heroes
But Nick Reiwoldt is one
Alongside Ponting, Harvey, Hayes
For me, Ditterich, Muir and Cuz.
Muir is a great choice. Well before my time but from everything I’ve seen and read… very under appreciated for his time with the addition of probably would have been an all time once in generation superstar if the club supported him as they should have. Seems like we really failed him in many respects.
Was really nice to read about how we reached out to him a few years back.
Remember those unenlightened times when any sledge no matter if it was racial, about family, about personal distress or sexuality was all considered fair cop. Typically, after the match, the sledger would wave it off as all's fair in the heat of the contest, as was taking a guy's head off, loosening teeth, knees in the side. Nothing personal. No harm meant. Umpires ignored it pretty much and if a sledgee reacted he was labelled a hot head, mentally fragile, a legitimate future target. We have progressed a little from those times, hopefully.
Yorkeys wrote: ↑Sun 07 Jan 2024 9:43am
Pound for pound I suggest two of the best recruiting decisions in relatively recent times have been J. Steele and A. Wilkie's.
Steele has been good but did we really need a meteorologist?
Lets hope the clubs media staff grab him and do a welcome to the club interview before too long. Apart from a short interview when he was at the Swans I dont know much about him. Be nice to get some incite on where he perceives our list is at etc.
Impatient Sainter wrote: ↑Fri 19 Jan 2024 12:07am
Lets hope the clubs media staff grab him and do a welcome to the club interview before too long. Apart from a short interview when he was at the Swans I dont know much about him. Be nice to get some incite on where he perceives our list is at etc.
Incite or Insight?
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Impatient Sainter wrote: ↑Fri 19 Jan 2024 12:07am
Lets hope the clubs media staff grab him and do a welcome to the club interview before too long. Apart from a short interview when he was at the Swans I dont know much about him. Be nice to get some incite on where he perceives our list is at etc.
Incite or Insight?
Yep sorry thanks for the correction - the old brain misfires occasionally.
Dalrymple will assume the newly introduced role of Talent Identification and Player Movement Manager, working alongside List Manager Stephen Silvagni and Head of Talent and Acquisition Graeme Allan.