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[Impatient Sainter]

I'm pretty sure that Jones, Ross, Hill and Campbell will not be offered contracts at the end of 2024.
So the development of Dow, Windhager, Henry and Heath will all be vital next year.
While Crouch, Steele, Hayes, Membrey, Webster and Wood will all be 30+ by the end of 2025.
Making the longer-term development of Owens, Clark, Keeler, Caminiti, Garcia and Shoenmaker important too!

Thats a ridiculous call - Jones is 28yo, Hill & Ross 30yo and all provide plenty to the club. They are the players that provide the stability and drive around the club. RTB loves Jones who is flying on the track this preseason, Hill is still a class above most of the competitiion and is brilliant with the young indigenous players at the club. Ross is an ex captain who may not be in the best 22 at some point but his leadership and guidance for the inexperienced players is invaluable.

Have a look at Collingwoods GF side - Sidebottom is 32yo and Pendelbury is 35yo. Isaac Smith was recruited to Geelong as a 32yo and was their best player in a winning GF at 33yo. Age means nothing if the players are contributing to the club. Players age at different levels I can see Hill playing until he is 35yo and still being a very good player.

[saynta]

I'm pretty sure that Jones, Ross, Hill and Campbell will not be offered contracts at the end of 2024.
So the development of Dow, Windhager, Henry and Heath will all be vital next year.
While Crouch, Steele, Hayes, Membrey, Webster and Wood will all be 30+ by the end of 2025.
Making the longer-term development of Owens, Clark, Keeler, Caminiti, Garcia and Shoenmaker important too!

Thats a ridiculous call - Jones is 28yo, Hill & Ross 30yo and all provide plenty to the club. They are the players that provide the stability and drive around the club. RTB loves Jones who is flying on the track this preseason, Hill is still a class above most of the competitiion and is brilliant with the young indigenous players at the club. Ross is an ex captain who may not be in the best 22 at some point but his leadership and guidance for the inexperienced players is invaluable.

Have a look at Collingwoods GF side - Sidebottom is 32yo and Pendelbury is 35yo. Isaac Smith was recruited to Geelong as a 32yo and was their best player in a winning GF at 33yo. Age means nothing if the players are contributing to the club. Players age at different levels I can see Hill playing until he is 35yo and still being a very good player.

Well said mate.

[skeptic]

One would think that Hill is a cert to stay - seems like he could play for quite a few years yet given his fitness and role

With Jones and Ross, the caveat is fitness. Both a top 22 and generally amongst our better players…
But Jones hasn’t been able to go a game and a half without a hamstring injury and Ross was plagued a bit as well.

A hamstring Injury plagued 2024 pbly sees Jones out as who wants to keep waiting…

[CQ SAINT]

One would think that Hill is a cert to stay - seems like he could play for quite a few years yet given his fitness and role

With Jones and Ross, the caveat is fitness. Both a top 22 and generally amongst our better players…
But Jones hasn’t been able to go a game and a half without a hamstring injury and Ross was plagued a bit as well.

A hamstring Injury plagued 2024 pbly sees Jones out as who wants to keep waiting…

Just imagine if Jones Hannerbery and Billings were on fire last year

Paton, Windy and Byrnes may have given way.

[B.M]

Hard for Hannebery

He was retired

[CQ SAINT]

Hard for Hannebery

He was retired

Hence the word imagine.

Is that hard for you?

[CQ SAINT]

Like you'd IMAGINE Thommo didn't let his team pick Riewoldt because he wasn't there.

However you did imagine he was. So there's hope for some self awareness too.

[Saintmike65]

Hill looks like he could play for another 3 years, if anything he’s improved under the boss and really enjoying his footy.
Jones durability this coming season will determine whether he gets a contract end of 2024.
Gotta feeling we might have a crack at Ned Moyle..if that’s the case Cambell will be in trouble!

[samoht]

Gotta feeling we might have a crack at Ned Moyle..if that’s the case Cambell will be in trouble!

I hope not ...
if we have a look at his stats this year vs Marshall's.
4.5 disposals average with 77.5% game time ... based on 2 games at the Suns.
Campbell would still deliver a lot better than that.

If a ruckman can't get 15 possessions plus around the ground, they're a liability.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_ ... 1=S&fid2=S

[B.M]

That actually makes no sense?

Bizarre

[CQ SAINT]

That actually makes no sense?

Bizarre

I said IMAGINE if Hannerbery was in peak condition, Billings wouldn't have come close.

[CQ SAINT]

At least Hanners had the balls to see out his contract

His last game was his best.

[CQ SAINT]

Gotta feeling we might have a crack at Ned Moyle..if that’s the case Cambell will be in trouble!

I hope not ...
if we have a look at his stats this year vs Marshall's.
4.5 disposals average with 77.5% game time ... based on 2 games at the Suns.
Campbell would still deliver a lot better than that.

If a ruckman can't get 15 possessions plus around the ground, they're a liability.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_ ... 1=S&fid2=S

How many taps does he get?

[CQ SAINT]

The liability with Marshall getting kicks,is he is running into the defence to get them

[CQ SAINT]

Or just pumping them on his boot from the guts.

[CQ SAINT]

Surely our mids could make his job easier

[CQ SAINT]

Marshall should be the best CHB in the comp

[CQ SAINT]

If we had 210 tap ruckman who could drop back.

Marshall wouldn't even need to ruck

[B.M]

Hannebery plays 13 games at StK in 4 years

Billings 160 in 10 years

Not really a comparison is it??

On Marshall
He’s played as a #1 ruckman 2 seasons in his career
Finished runner up in the B&F both those season and made the AA squad - as a number 2 ruckman or in other positions he was far less influential

I think his best position is obvious

[samoht]

Gotta feeling we might have a crack at Ned Moyle..if that’s the case Cambell will be in trouble!

I hope not ...
if we have a look at his stats this year vs Marshall's.
4.5 disposals average with 77.5% game time ... based on 2 games at the Suns.
Campbell would still deliver a lot better than that.

If a ruckman can't get 15 possessions plus around the ground, they're a liability.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_ ... 1=S&fid2=S

How many taps does he get?

The same number as Marshall ... 26.
And Moyle's disposal efficiency was 33% ... 4.5 possessions at 33% disposal efficiency ... so averaging around 1 effective disposal.
No comparison, even against Campbell. I hope we're not considering him, that's all I'm saying.

[CQ SAINT]

Hannebery plays 13 games at StK in 4 years

Billings 160 in 10 years

Not really a comparison is it??

Billing played 13 in last 4 year contract
Hanners played 18

Hanners got 110 career brownlow votes in a team constantly in finals
Billings got 32 in team that one less than half his 160 games and 18 of them came in 6 matches over 5 years ago.
Hanners got 24 in 1 season.

There is clearly a comparison

Billings was a St,Kilda Champion.

Hanners was an AFL Champion.

Pffft.

On Marshall
He’s played as a #1 ruckman 2 seasons in his career
Finished runner up in the B&F both those season and made the AA squad - as a number 2 ruckman or in other positions he was far less influential

I think his best position is obvious

The Ned Moyle comparison was a good one. We flogged em.
Hit out were even and Marshall racked up his average stats.

Let's compare round 17.

Jarrod Witts got 50% more taps and was marginally behind in ground stats.
Their midfield flogged ours and they flogged us.

Jarrod Witts wasn't best on ground.

We'd be f***ed without Marshall, but he is ranked 6th best ruck in the comp statistically. And 13 for hitouts on average

Ned Moyle is 21, 206cm, 104 kg, is already 14th for hit outs and will be a gun in 4 years.

Marshall's heat map had him getting all his possesion in defense and in the square.

Jarrod Witts is 31, 210cm and 110kg. He is a ruckman.

Rowan Marshall has 523 marks, 153 of them are contested.

He'd be the perfect intercepting defender with good strength, 201cm, incredible athleticism and he reads the ball defensively according to his heat map and hot spots.

But yeah. Whatever

[samoht]

The midfield largely wins the clearances ... 90% of the hit outs are neither here nor there .A lot of hitouts go straight to opposition midifelders, even from "dominating" ruckmen.
It is a very tight and contested space.

It's hard to draw meaningful conclusions when comparing clearance numbers given different midfields are involved.

Sandilands and Natanui as a ruck combo were averaging 30 more hitouts than the average ruck combo ... they absolutely dominated the hitouts ... but for all that, their midfield only had two or three more clearances, maybe ... compared to the team average.

But, yeah, whatever, alright!!

Afl ruckmen need to get their 15 or so possessions around the ground, otherwise you might as well play 2.15m basketballers or tall athletes who can jump ... if hitouts count for that much.

[Yorkeys]

The midfield largely wins the clearances ... 90% of the hit outs are neither here nor there .A lot of hitouts go straight to opposition midifelders, even from "dominating" ruckmen.
It is a very tight and contested space.

It's hard to draw conclusions when comparing clearance numbers given different midfields are involved.

Sandilands and Natanui as a ruck combo were averaging 30 more hitouts than the average ruck combo ... they absolutely dominated the hitouts ... but for all that, their midfield only had two or three more clearances, maybe ... compared to the Afl average.

Afl ruckmen need to get their 15 or so possessions around the ground, otherwise you might as well play 2.15m basketballers or tall athletes who can jump ... if hitouts count for that much.

Jason Holmes!

Know I know sfa, but often pondered why Longer was a first choice compared to Jason who was never given much of a go (not suggesting either were great, of course, just comparing. )

[CQ SAINT]

If you are gonna use Longer, keep Dal Santo, Joey and Goddard.
We went with Mav, Newnes and Seb. Seb was good, eventually

[CQ SAINT]

Tom Hickey played at 4 clubs for 150 games and was butt average. Both West Coast and Sydney saw something in them.

Richo and Trout were wankers.

We just gave both of them far too much money.

Marshall has earnt his and he had to take the ruck off both of them, as a last resort, to be another small ruck who plays like a disabled midfield runner getting 16p and 21h/o. His big ticket is clearances and running power.

Then we got Paddy and made finals.

He looks like defensive ground ball beast and intercepting rebounder, if I ever saw one.

It's a break even.