Dan Butler Ankle Setback

[CQ SAINT]

Collard is 65kg and played in the WAFL colts last season

He’s gotta take a massive step just to play VFL

From what I’ve seen at training he is a long term prospect

I'm guessing from you saw at training, Billings was gun.

That was low but current.

He run rings around both of us. Even the agile guys know they are hard to stop when they are surrounded by giants.

We have the giants. We had Billings and Lonie, Gresham and Butler.

Butler was the only one worth picking.

Forward defend and kick goals. A high half forward is an extra mid. A la Henry, who will do both.

[shanegrambeau]

Would Dan Butler be our most experienced finals player?
6 finals!
2017 with Richmaond , QF, PF, GF!
‘20 with us, EF, SF
‘23 EF

Well he wasn’t really switched on this year in the EF. Dismal kicking for goal. Something was off. I guess experience is no guarantee you can bring out your best. Just human beings and all that ..


I wonder if he had ankle troubles at Richmond too? He seemed to go off the radar late in his second season over there. Then only played 7 games in his third before being cut.

EDIT
Answer YES
2018 Round 16
partial syndesmosis sprain in his ankle WITH operation

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/richmo ... 1d8523e85e

Anyway, I left untreated it can be devastating and lead to arthritis.. so he had better do it and do it well..is this the third?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6391553/

[B.M]

Billings was a very good player when fit

If you argue otherwise you have no idea

Let’s see how he goes in a decent team This year

I’ve seen Billings kick bags of 3 and 4 in the AFL and seen him average 20ppg as a HF
Seen him play midfield in the VFL and get 54 possessions

There is zero doubt he can play

[B.M]

When fit

[CQ SAINT]

He was a great athlete who could mark and kick and I bet he wishes he stayed playing cricket.

[B.M]

Who the hell are you talking about?

If you played 1 AFL game it’s an achievement
First you gotta get on a list! Then you’ve got the impress enough to get a game!

Any footballer who plays 50 AFL games has done very well

100 games = a good career

150 games means they’ve stayed in the elite system for about 10 years give or take. And we’re good enough to hold a spot

200 games means they were obviously very good AFL players

250 games not many achieve that - puts you in the top bracket

300 games = champion

[Yorkeys]

Billings was a very good player when fit

If you argue otherwise you have no idea

Let’s see how he goes in a decent team This year

I’ve seen Billings kick bags of 3 and 4 in the AFL and seen him average 20ppg as a HF
Seen him play midfield in the VFL and get 54 possessions

There is zero doubt he can play

Clear memories/impression of JB in that diabolical 2018 Good Friday match against North where we had more possessions and lost by 50+ points. 39% forward efficiency. Jack was named half forward. No score. Had 2 kicked on him but. My impression was that Jack was timid in contests; dropped a chest mark right in front of us to cap off one of the worst pieces of play professionals could possibly produce. Have just looked at the stats and JB had 10 kicks 13 handballs and 71 fantasy points beating a young Davies-Uniake (70 points); J. Steele playing off the IC (69); and a young Sinclair (61). Of that team 6 are still on our roster. So perhaps seeing Jack as skillful but wanting in the hand to hand stuff and defending was unfair - he obviously racked up possessions and was as good as a few notable contemporaries that day.

[CQ SAINT]

Billings was a very good player when fit

If you argue otherwise you have no idea

Let’s see how he goes in a decent team This year

I’ve seen Billings kick bags of 3 and 4 in the AFL and seen him average 20ppg as a HF
Seen him play midfield in the VFL and get 54 possessions

There is zero doubt he can play

Clear memories/impression of JB in that diabolical 2018 Good Friday match against North where we had more possessions and lost by 50+ points. 39% forward efficiency. Jack was named half forward. No score. Had 2 kicked on him but. My impression was that Jack was timid in contests; dropped a chest mark right in front of us to cap off one of the worst pieces of play professionals could possibly produce. Have just looked at the stats and JB had 10 kicks 13 handballs and 71 fantasy points beating a young Davies-Uniake (70 points); J. Steele playing off the IC (69); and a young Sinclair (61). Of that team 6 are still on our roster. So perhaps seeing Jack as skillful but wanting in the hand to hand stuff and defending was unfair - he obviously racked up possessions and was as good as a few notable contemporaries that day.

Yeah ok. He was ok.

[CQ SAINT]

Who the hell are you talking about?

If you played 1 AFL game it’s an achievement
First you gotta get on a list! Then you’ve got the impress enough to get a game!

Any footballer who plays 50 AFL games has done very well

100 games = a good career

150 games means they’ve stayed in the elite system for about 10 years give or take. And we’re good enough to hold a spot

200 games means they were obviously very good AFL players

250 games not many achieve that - puts you in the top bracket

300 games = champion

You seriously think that Billings was chosen by an elite system and thrived.

For starters, who picked him? He was the obvious choice as an outside gun. We needed a big breakaway mid. Who was that Dunstan or Acres?

[B.M]

That doesn’t make sense.

Let’s see how Billings goes this year at Melbourne

[Yorkeys]

Melbourne made Ben Brown looked good a couple of times.
I suggest Jack is going to have a tough time getting up the pecking order of Melbourne's similar sized players. They are fast, tough, seem skilled and have played finals. I think only injuries are going to give Jack a look in.
Melbourne really need a big forward or a mid to develop to allow Petracca to play FF.
And remember Jack was not pursued he was taken as a subsidised bargain/charity case.

[B.M]

Ben Brown has struggled at Melbourne but was valuable in their premiership push
He kicked 60+ 3 years in a row at the Kangaroos

Billings, injury free will make Melbourne better.

[CQ SAINT]

That doesn’t make sense.

Let’s see how Billings goes this year at Melbourne

In his in junior years he was supposed to be two way running goal kicking mid.

He is soft and can't get his own ball in the middle.

He ran out to dead ends and tried to thread needles.

He missed far too many goals and kicked more points.

He was average, just like Newnes, the Carlton champion.

[B.M]

He’s played 160 games
Has a top 5 B&F
2 x top 10
29 Brownlow votes
Has kicked 4 in a game a few times
Has picked up 30 touches a number of times (averages 20)

And you’re trying to tell me he’s soft!

Credibility = zero

[CQ SAINT]

That doesn’t make sense.

Let’s see how Billings goes this year at Melbourne

This is what you said about the team that picked Mc Cartin.

The decision to draft McCartin shows how amateurish we were

In GTs time we were a joke in the recruiting dept

The non recruiting of Jack Reiwoldt- shows lack recruiting knowledge


List Management and Recruiting is 80% of success

The same blokes picked Billings, instead of Bont. McCartin was heaps better than Billings.

Grant Thomas didn't pick Riewoldt in 2006 because he was sacked before the draft, how did his list go in 2008 - 2010.

You dont make sense not even in retrospect.

[CQ SAINT]

When Hamill and Gehrig were recruited it was to fill a leadership and experiencevoid. It was Brilliant.

[CQ SAINT]

Beveridge, who picked Harvey, decided Riewoldt wasn't a good choice. Apparently the cousins were a bit competitive and aggressive towards each other.

[CQ SAINT]

Thommo would have sorted that out pretty quick

[CQ SAINT]

Can't imagine Nick being aggressive towards Jack but......Jack did run away from the media once.

[CQ SAINT]

What? Back to crickets season, is it?

[B.M]

There is a whole lot wrong with everything you said!

Billings was rated top 3 in his draft year by nearly all experts, top 5 by all recruiters! That is known!
Bont wasn’t even in some top 10s
He was a bolter - everyone knows that!

I wasn’t talking about his draft position- I was talking about his very reasonable career to date.
Maybe stop thinking about how good he should of been and instead look at what he actually achieved

I bet you were cheering when he kicked 4 in the last quarter to win a game vs the dogs!

BTW
GT did not recruit 1 player in his time!
He has told me that to my face. He let JB take care of that. He believed that his job wasn’t to identify talent but rather develop talent he was given.

He did admit the recruiting dept was under resourced which ultimately cost premierships

[CQ SAINT]

St,Kilda needed a plan. The got Blight drunk and feathered his balls around a lot of meetings until he revealed one.

Looks like he had the vision but didn't want the job.

Thomas did and he picked up the vision and delivered it.

[CQ SAINT]

There is a whole lot wrong with everything you said!

Billings was rated top 3 in his draft year by nearly all experts, top 5 by all recruiters! That is known!
Bont wasn’t even in some top 10s
He was a bolter - everyone knows that!

I wasn’t talking about his draft position- I was talking about his very reasonable career to date.
Maybe stop thinking about how good he should of been and instead look at what he actually achieved

I bet you were cheering when he kicked 4 in the last quarter to win a game vs the dogs!

BTW
GT did not recruit 1 player in his time!
He has told me that to my face. He let JB take care of that. He believed that his job wasn’t to identify talent but rather develop talent he was given.

He did admit the recruiting dept was under resourced which ultimately cost premierships

I am thinking of what he achieved, it's in his profile. He left with two years running while we were entering his first ever finals run at the peak of his career.

Fail

[CQ SAINT]

Boyd was rated 1. The Bulldogs got him a year later for 6 for 6. He played in a grandfinal and gave half the money back when he retired shortly after. Certified Champion.

[CQ SAINT]

How many top 10's did Newnes get?