Training - Monday December 11

This unofficial St Kilda Saints fan forum is for people of all ages to chat Saints Footy and all posts must be respectful.

Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators

User avatar
TheGreatZacsby
Club Player
Posts: 701
Joined: Sat 18 Mar 2023 8:59am
Has thanked: 42 times
Been thanked: 245 times

Re: Training - Monday December 11

Post: # 2038457Post TheGreatZacsby »

Otiman wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 12:41pm Yes so Ross plays VFL, and is midfield depth along with Jones. I'm OK with that.

I'll believe Keeler in defense when I hear it from someone other than a first post on Bigfooty.

Playing all three of Gresham, Butler and Higgins was too many small forwards, but could we see one Higgins or Butler get dropped for a midfielder rotating forward?
I don’t see Henry goal sneaking like Gresham to be honest.

Collingwood made it work with Jamie Elliot, Mccreery, Bobby Hill and even Ginnivan at times. I think Henry plays more mid than forward pocket. Let Butler be that pressure forward like Mccreery is and Bobby Hill and create goals. Let Higgins be Jamie Elliot.


CQ SAINT
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6092
Joined: Sat 12 Sep 2015 1:03pm
Has thanked: 337 times
Been thanked: 1570 times

Re: Training - Monday December 11

Post: # 2038464Post CQ SAINT »

Vortex wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 8:01am
CQ SAINT wrote: Tue 12 Dec 2023 8:49pm

After the bye.
So is there room for Keeler and Heath in the same side?
In the VFL?


CQ SAINT
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6092
Joined: Sat 12 Sep 2015 1:03pm
Has thanked: 337 times
Been thanked: 1570 times

Re: Training - Monday December 11

Post: # 2038465Post CQ SAINT »

Vortex wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 8:01am
CQ SAINT wrote: Tue 12 Dec 2023 8:49pm

After the bye.
So is there room for Keeler and Heath in the same side?
In the VFL?


CQ SAINT
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6092
Joined: Sat 12 Sep 2015 1:03pm
Has thanked: 337 times
Been thanked: 1570 times

Re: Training - Monday December 11

Post: # 2038466Post CQ SAINT »

There will always be room for a 204 cm training partner for Marshall. Campbell ain't got much longer..
Once Keeler starts leaping on him he will be more important.


Vortex
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6473
Joined: Fri 18 Sep 2020 6:51am
Has thanked: 862 times
Been thanked: 1025 times

Re: Training - Monday December 11

Post: # 2038468Post Vortex »

CQ SAINT wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 2:09pm There will always be room for a 204 cm training partner for Marshall. Campbell ain't got much longer..
Once Keeler starts leaping on him he will be more important.
So you don't think Heath will make it?


CQ SAINT
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6092
Joined: Sat 12 Sep 2015 1:03pm
Has thanked: 337 times
Been thanked: 1570 times

Re: Training - Monday December 11

Post: # 2038473Post CQ SAINT »

Vortex wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 2:14pm
CQ SAINT wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 2:09pm There will always be room for a 204 cm training partner for Marshall. Campbell ain't got much longer..
Once Keeler starts leaping on him he will be more important.
So you don't think Heath will make it?
I dont think he will be a better forward than Keeler.
And I don't think either of them should replace Marshall.
I haven't completed my thoughts on Heath


Vortex
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6473
Joined: Fri 18 Sep 2020 6:51am
Has thanked: 862 times
Been thanked: 1025 times

Re: Training - Monday December 11

Post: # 2038477Post Vortex »

CQ SAINT wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 3:16pm
Vortex wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 2:14pm
CQ SAINT wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 2:09pm There will always be room for a 204 cm training partner for Marshall. Campbell ain't got much longer..
Once Keeler starts leaping on him he will be more important.
So you don't think Heath will make it?
I dont think he will be a better forward than Keeler.
And I don't think either of them should replace Marshall.
I haven't completed my thoughts on Heath
Isn't it a case of finding an extra ruckman to support RoMa rather than replace?


NickyDal
Club Player
Posts: 327
Joined: Thu 13 Oct 2022 4:42pm
Has thanked: 56 times
Been thanked: 26 times

Re: Training - Monday December 11

Post: # 2038479Post NickyDal »

CQ SAINT wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 3:16pm
Vortex wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 2:14pm
CQ SAINT wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 2:09pm There will always be room for a 204 cm training partner for Marshall. Campbell ain't got much longer..
Once Keeler starts leaping on him he will be more important.
So you don't think Heath will make it?
I dont think he will be a better forward than Keeler.
And I don't think either of them should replace Marshall.
I haven't completed my thoughts on Heath
I think Heath will make it but he won't be a star. Even if he replaces Campbell and is there as depth it should be ok. Keeler will be the real deal and will be the forward ruck that comes in to give Ro a chop out.

Going forward Marshall and Keeler will be in the best 22 with Hayes and Heath as backups/depth in case of injuries.

End of 2024 Campbell will retire and we should draft another ruckman through the National Draft.


NeXus Nick
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
CQ SAINT
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6092
Joined: Sat 12 Sep 2015 1:03pm
Has thanked: 337 times
Been thanked: 1570 times

Re: Training - Monday December 11

Post: # 2038486Post CQ SAINT »

Vortex wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 3:44pm
CQ SAINT wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 3:16pm
Vortex wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 2:14pm
CQ SAINT wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 2:09pm There will always be room for a 204 cm training partner for Marshall. Campbell ain't got much longer..
Once Keeler starts leaping on him he will be more important.
So you don't think Heath will make it?
I dont think he will be a better forward than Keeler.
And I don't think either of them should replace Marshall.
I haven't completed my thoughts on Heath
Isn't it a case of finding an extra ruckman to support RoMa rather than replace?
No. That's not the case.

We need a forward, who will be BEST SUITED to support Roma, so Roma can support our undersized defence and take clearances away from the middle.

The choices are Hayes, Sharman and Qwens.

None of them have more rucking experience than Keeler and their attributes are not more suited for the ruck.

Moose cant run to save himself. When he get there, he can't jump. No wonder he is aggressive.

The last para was just a joke.

Moose - slow burner, s*** athlete.


CQ SAINT
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6092
Joined: Sat 12 Sep 2015 1:03pm
Has thanked: 337 times
Been thanked: 1570 times

Re: Training - Monday December 11

Post: # 2038487Post CQ SAINT »

Maybe Caminiti can ruck.


User avatar
Otiman
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 8793
Joined: Thu 28 Jul 2005 11:09pm
Location: Elsewhere
Has thanked: 203 times
Been thanked: 662 times

Re: Training - Monday December 11

Post: # 2038492Post Otiman »

There are three needs.

1: A player who can play elsewhere and pinch hit in the ruck, as relief.
2: Backup should Marshall be injured.
3: Succession planning for the future

Sometimes 2 and 3 are the same player, but unless they're a gun you don't play two first choice ruckmen in the same team anymore.


Vortex
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6473
Joined: Fri 18 Sep 2020 6:51am
Has thanked: 862 times
Been thanked: 1025 times

Re: Training - Monday December 11

Post: # 2038496Post Vortex »

CQ SAINT wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 4:51pm Maybe Caminiti can ruck.
well hopefully your boy can become the star, at the end of the day talent and skills in any position is all we need more of especially the Paddy Ryder types, (big call I might add).

Starting to lose hope with Hayes and the possibility he's going to remain injury prone to the point it cuts down his career before it takes off.

If however he was to get his body right then it's possible he keeps Sharman, Caminiti and Keeler out of the team for the short term especially if Members gets back to being an automatic selection.


CQ SAINT
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6092
Joined: Sat 12 Sep 2015 1:03pm
Has thanked: 337 times
Been thanked: 1570 times

Re: Training - Monday December 11

Post: # 2038499Post CQ SAINT »

If King can have full year, he will be the power forward.
Hayes is a powerful utility and is the second ruck choice. Otherwise he'd have been dumped. Fit he is probably well ahead of Heath.
Keeler is knocking on Hayes door, he doesn't have to be a star.
Caminiti, Wilkie, Marshall Sinclair, Hayes, were all originally over-looked. No one saw them coming.
I think we've done it again.
Hugo may just be another
Wilson at his pick was magic.


NickyDal
Club Player
Posts: 327
Joined: Thu 13 Oct 2022 4:42pm
Has thanked: 56 times
Been thanked: 26 times

Re: Training - Monday December 11

Post: # 2038582Post NickyDal »

TheGreatZacsby wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 1:13pm
Otiman wrote: Wed 13 Dec 2023 12:41pm Yes so Ross plays VFL, and is midfield depth along with Jones. I'm OK with that.

I'll believe Keeler in defense when I hear it from someone other than a first post on Bigfooty.

Playing all three of Gresham, Butler and Higgins was too many small forwards, but could we see one Higgins or Butler get dropped for a midfielder rotating forward?
I don’t see Henry goal sneaking like Gresham to be honest.

Collingwood made it work with Jamie Elliot, Mccreery, Bobby Hill and even Ginnivan at times. I think Henry plays more mid than forward pocket. Let Butler be that pressure forward like Mccreery is and Bobby Hill and create goals. Let Higgins be Jamie Elliot.
Stuff Collingfilth. They can GAGF...


NeXus Nick
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
User avatar
Otiman
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 8793
Joined: Thu 28 Jul 2005 11:09pm
Location: Elsewhere
Has thanked: 203 times
Been thanked: 662 times

Re: Training - Monday December 11

Post: # 2038588Post Otiman »

There's "making it work" and "point of difference". We need a point of difference in a few areas before we resort to "make it work".


Post Reply