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I never implied that Bassat had a plan for restructuring the football department when he was elected in 2019.
It has been widely speculated that it was a group of former players who in company with newly elected board member Jason Blake led the move to recruit Ross Lyon last year.
Sanctorum wrote: ↑Fri 27 Oct 2023 5:42pmThe elevation of Andrew Bassat in 2019 as club president is likely to have led to the major cleanout of the football department and the welcome turnaround that we have witnessed since the end of 2022.
You do realise you have the option of re-reading your previous posts?
loris wrote: ↑Fri 27 Oct 2023 5:46pm
A lot of anti-richo people seem to forget it was Alan Richardson who got Brad Hill to decide to come to St.Kilda.
If you go back & watch the first video on Saints.com,when Hill was interviewed when the trade went through later that year. Hill said he had met with Richo in mid year & decided he wanted a trade to the Saints - so it was obviously left to Gallagher & Co to arrange for the trade period later that year.
Some individuals are so anti - they have to rewrite history.
fortunately there are those who hold revisionists to account.
no one wants to talk about accurate history though, like Richo and Lyon have something in common, they have the same winning percentage in their last 4 years of coaching...33%.
Now all of a sudden Lyon is a great developer because he "plays the kids", like he was spoilt for choice this season and had other options than the "kids", and how many kids did he play exactly?
So, leaving out personal attacks and avoiding the 'you' and the 'some posters' rhetoric, what was 'the' history as it were - its original, virgin and unpolluted text? Now that attempts are allegedly being made to blasphemously 're-write' it?
Hang on, you'll have to pick up a spelling error here? Surely?
Dear readers, I put it to you that Bassat decided to change things, and did. Pure plain and simple. All the rest is mumbo jumbo. So do not be distracted by "oh 'you are still trying to x, y,z' ...That doesn't matter. Moreover, another thing doesn't matter...whether or not Bassat deserves credit for 'cunning and forthought'..that is a distraction. You see a red light and you stop. Then you check the map and make a turn if you deem it best. Whether or not you had dreams about said lights and changes of direction is immaterial. Or intuitions...or whether a dog farted in the car, causing you to turn your head in disgust at it, only to notice an important signpost. You made the decision.
Another distraction lurking in the background, is ongoing resentment and anger at Mr Ross Pot belly Stove Lyon himself. Be wary dear readers.
loris wrote: ↑Fri 27 Oct 2023 5:46pm
A lot of anti-richo people seem to forget it was Alan Richardson who got Brad Hill to decide to come to St.Kilda.
If you go back & watch the first video on Saints.com,when Hill was interviewed when the trade went through later that year. Hill said he had met with Richo in mid year & decided he wanted a trade to the Saints - so it was obviously left to Gallagher & Co to arrange for the trade period later that year.
Some individuals are so anti - they have to rewrite history.
Did he leave a note saying don’t forget to throw in Acres?
Player development was non existent under Richo ... ?
Steele, Ross, Membrey, Roberton, Webster, DMac, Battle, even Wilkie in his first year in the big league ... all either flourished or had breakout years under Richardson.
Clark hasn't developed much since Richo ... he'd already reached his ceiling, have the "better coaches" developed him further?
Coaches are overrated or underrated to suit biases or perceptions. We develop selective memories.
A lot of time is wasted on coaches ... it's all the other areas that count.
The fact is it's mostly the players themselves that should be credited for their own development.
Richo wasn't helped by our poor recruiting and injuries ... Roberton's ailment and McCartin (vs Petracca) were 2 huge factors ... there's a 6 goal turnaround just there, apart from the other wholesale injuries.
Roberton was pick 45 or something ... and he was averaging 25 possessions from half back, and turning defence into attack. His breakout was under Richo. He became arguably our most valuable player.
We need to nail our recruiting from now on ... and hopefully the development will be as successful as it was under Richo (it coincided with his stint).
Yorkeys wrote: ↑Sat 28 Oct 2023 2:04pm
Unconvincing re Richo.
Also Imagine you don't argue parents are redundant and school teachers unimportant?
I'm not saying anything re: Richo or any other coach on their ability to develop players ... but the article was damning re development during the Richo years without examining what actually happened, player by player, development-wise. There was a fair bit of development, in fact.
The article writer threw Richo in the scrap heap for the wrong reason (or for a false reason), in other words. It's the article that is unconvincing.
That's what I was pointing out - their specious reasoning.
By the same token, should we blame a teacher (using your analogy) if someone claims the grade average plummeted and slams them for it, when it actually went up (after taking any absences due to illness = injury in the football sense into account)?
Recruiting has been absolutely appalling until the new regime. 2012-2016 gruesome. And 2017: Clark/Coffield/Paton... not convinced that was a great year, either.
And some people called out Pelchen at the time and were lambasted on here!
Ball played another 80 odd games
NDS played another 60 games
BJ played another 130 games
Stanley played another 140+ games
McEvoy played another 160 games
Tom Lynch played another 160 games
These are the people we cut - high end players
We got in Dunstan, Newnes, Savage, H.Goddard, Hickey, Tom Lee
A bunch of average GOPs
The baffling thing about many coaches globally in so many sports is this:
The guru of player development gets noticed...kicked up to senior coach and then struggles.
In our recent history....
Alan Richardson was widely heralded as a leading developer of young players & a highly sought after coach for player development.
Ratten was also well regarded, so much so reports are he was "begged" by his club to reconsider leaving to the Saints.
I follow many sports and so often see the expert at development get the nod...as if knowing how to build a trusting relationship that empowers the coach to lead a young player to their best game neans they can strategically guide & develop an entire team & its culture...but it often doesnt work.
Its more the strategic coach in asst roles and less player development that excel.
This is EXACTLY wgat Mark Williams said 2 yrs ago when asked why he wouldnt ever consider senior afl level coaching. He said he can build a player better than a team. I was like....damn.
